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2201  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 02, 2023, 02:01:31 PM


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“Bitcoin just shows you how much demand for money laundering there is in the world,” Fink, the head of the largest asset management firm in the world, said at an Institute of International Finance meeting. “That’s all it is.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/13/blackrock-ceo-larry-fink-calls-bitcoin-an-index-of-money-laundering.html

Someone smart once said, "Be careful what you wish for, because it might come true."
2202  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Kraken asking for full SSN on: July 02, 2023, 01:43:47 PM
It may sound too harsh, but everything that happens when it comes to CEX is actually the fault of those who use them and think it's the only way they can trade cryptocurrencies. As things have evolved over the last few years, I think CEX is going to be looking for more personal information, and it's going to be far more complicated to have a CEX account than a bank account.

I have never agreed to such conditions of the game, nor will I agree in the future, but if someone has no other choice, in that case they must accept the risk that their data will at some point become available to someone who should never have seen it.
2203  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Promoting bitcoin besides the profit making idea. on: July 02, 2023, 11:05:49 AM
@hugeblack wrote a very good post in which he actually concluded that it is much easier to promote Bitcoin as a decentralized currency in countries where there are serious problems with the financial system, and where the authorities strictly control every aspect of someone's life. If you try to do the same in one of the countries that are economically at a high level and where people live relatively well compared to the countries mentioned, then you will hardly be able to expect that the people who live there will accept Bitcoin as anything other than investment.

Yet it's not an obstacle for anyone to promote Bitcoin as a decentralized cryptocurrency anytime, anywhere - and not just focus on how Bitcoin can be profitable. Unfortunately, most of those who invest in Bitcoin do so solely for profit and have never made even the most ordinary transaction from CEX to non-custodial wallet, let alone that they have paid for some goods or services with Bitcoin.
2204  Economy / Economics / Re: Am I a bad person if I manage to avoid taxes? (Hypothetical question) on: July 02, 2023, 10:31:02 AM
My point is, one layer tax is okay, like, tax my salary, no problem but why do you tax food, electronics and all other staff? It's like, you work, pay taxes but you go at the store and you pay taxes on store products with money that you've been taxed on. At the same time, the store owner always pays taxes on his income. Does this look fair? Logically, if I pay tax on my income and store owner pays taxes on his income, I shouldn't be buying food, electronics, clothes or anything with additional taxes. That's why I think that it's morally acceptable to avoid taxes if you can.

It is not a fair practice, especially if everyone pays equal taxes regardless of income, and if legislators favor those with the highest incomes to pay even less taxes, which is really absurd. In addition, in my country VAT is one of the highest in the EU (25%), although for some things it is reduced to 13% - and because of this many people go to other countries and buy home supplies and food.

That's not actually true in some European countries but overall, you are right. They'll knock on your door if you don't pay taxes but they never knock on your door when you left are without income.

Maybe I generalized, but the east of the EU is much different from the West, and here you literally have to take care of yourself if you want to live a life worthy of man, and no one will ask you if you have to buy bread and milk today or if you will be hungry.

What I'm saying is that the elite (including politicians) are literally mocking those who live hard, and over 400,000 people have moved out of my country over the past 10 years and are now paying taxes elsewhere - what I would call perhaps the best tax avoidance someone can do to a corrupt government.
2205  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2023-06-30] Barrons: Bitcoin Drops After Report SEC Says BlackRock Spot Bitcoin on: July 01, 2023, 01:25:53 PM
The reason is actually trivial as it seems from what can be read in the explanation - and it is that BlackRock did not in the opinion of the SEC cite one important piece of information for them. And the fact that the price has dropped a bit just means that there are a lot of stupid people who have no idea what's really going on - the same as the author of the article from which you constructed this post.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg62483259#msg62483259
2206  Economy / Economics / Re: Am I a bad person if I manage to avoid taxes? (Hypothetical question) on: July 01, 2023, 11:03:36 AM
~snip~
So, my legitimate question is, after all the robbery, a person, who doesn't pay taxes, is a bad person for the society or not? More likely I want to get answer from those whose countries have a model similar of European healthcare and employment insurance.

I'll tell you that you're definitely not a bad person if you just want to provide yourself and your family with a better standard of living in a way that you won't let those at the top literally rob you because they invent a new tax every day. Some will say that taxes have a purpose and there is no doubt about it, but if you live in a country that is highly corrupt and where you can't do anything without bribing someone, you wonder what all these taxes are and where that money goes.

I'm not saying we should stop paying taxes completely now, but I know some people who pay taxes even on signature campaign earnings because they live in fear that the state will punish them if they find out. What I want to say is that the state doesn't really care how you survive, so let's say the governor of my central bank who has a salary of almost 7000 EUR publicly gives advice to people to buy items on discount since they have a minimum wage of maybe 500-600 EUR.
2207  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: June 30, 2023, 02:30:43 PM
I don't know.. are you sure that you want to place Croatia ahead of England?
~snip~

This is his personal choice, and I know that he is one of the biggest fans of the Croatian national football team, at least as far as those members who are not from Croatia are concerned Wink

I personally see Croatia back at the top and I hope that it will reach at least the semi-finals, although in 1 year a lot can happen that will affect every national team. England has a strong team, but it is still a fact that Croatia beat them in 2018 despite all their arrogance and underestimating the opponent, and England did not show much in Qatar either.
2208  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: 100% win rate possible? on: June 30, 2023, 02:14:42 PM
In gambling, of course, this is impossible, but in sports betting you can go very high when it comes to win rate. However, although many will think that it is just about luck, but quality information, self-discipline and a little more money are something that turns the odds on your side.

Gambling should primarily be understood as a form of entertainment, and it is completely pointless to think that there is some big money to be made there. However, I will say that there is an exception, because there are professional poker players who make really good money, but the cards are still something different from slot machines or roulette.
2209  Other / Meta / Re: Can someone please tell me what happened with all these dead image links of old? on: June 30, 2023, 01:43:56 PM
~snip~
What I am sure of is that there is a thread somewhere and some smarty pants is going to kindly share the link to that thread because I have yet to find it! I'm sure i've missed some huge memo on this or something somewhere. But could someone please explain to me why those image source codes no longer work, and tell me which ones do?

The forum has a search option, and someone who has been on the forum for a long time should use such options if they are interested in something. Besides, Meta is not a board that has any restrictions in the sense that you should not regularly check what is happening on the forum.
2210  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: June 30, 2023, 01:28:25 PM
Just got this mail... can't understand why it landed in my spam folder:

Hi Mrs. Johnson, We have deposited the 27 BTC which amount to (819,134.64 USD) as you requested into your bitcoin portfolio at www.*redacted*.net

Customer Id: *redacted*
Password: *redacted*


I guess I'm going to buy a new lambo with that money

Welcome to the lucky winners club, and since your reward is a little late, it looks like you got a little bonus Cheesy

Who else got BTC?
2211  Economy / Speculation / Re: Microstrategy buys again! on: June 30, 2023, 11:05:46 AM
No ETF will be approved soon, and even if it happens after more than two years, they may sell at the end of the next cycle.
~snip~

I wouldn't be so sure about that, because even though the SEC has rejected any such request in the past, companies like BlackRock or Fidelity are a whole other story and can't be ignored so easily. When you say that they can sell at the end of the next cycle, then I guess you mean investors who will actually get the opportunity to buy shares in a fund that will buy BTC for them and keep it safe. I think that some will sell sooner, some later - just as today people trade bitcoin on a daily basis, some are satisfied with 5% profit, others are not satisfied with even 50%.
2212  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [INFO]Hong Kong's HSBC Allows Customers to Trade Bitcoin. on: June 30, 2023, 10:55:17 AM
America is not closing their doors, only putting an end to most of the cryptospace hehehe, okay. Are you also implying that everything that is not bitcoin is a scam and the SEC should put an end to them?

Most of what you call "cryptospace" isn't necessarily scam in the literal sense of the word, but it's not far from it either. All these meaningless tokens and altcoins on which individuals get rich along with CEXs, and most ordinary people just lose their money are for you something that should still exist? I think some things need to be regulated, because every large-scale crypto scam like FTX or Terra/Luna is reflected directly on Bitcoin.

In any case, is it not a sign that China is opening up? HSBC might know something more than us and they also did it on January before all this hype about Blackrock and Fidelity.

For me, this is not a sign that China is changing its attitude towards Bitcoin, but only that one bank is trying to profit by offering one service that actually has no direct connection with investing in cryptocurrencies, because after all it is a futures ETF. On the other hand, BlackRock is trying something completely different, and there is a very big difference if you want to compare the US and China in terms of cryptocurrencies.

If you do not read the news on the recent developments on China, Hong Kong and the cryptospace, I have shared articles about this topic a few times. If you also read between the lines, good chance that China will open up and try to be the leader. I might get the year wrong when I said Shanghai will be approved for accepting the cryptospace on 2025, however, they will have no choice but to open up if they want to continue pushing for their blockchain ambitions.

Why do you mix blockchain as a technology and cryptocurrencies that use it? What does it matter that China may want to be a leader in blockchain technologies? Does this have any impact on Bitcoin or any of the top altcoins, will CEX across China open up and will crypto mining become legal again?
2213  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Petition to remove Wasabi from recommendations of bitcoin.org on: June 30, 2023, 10:33:32 AM
The latest stupidity I heard was CeDeFi - centralized decentralized finance. Roll Eyes
~snip~

Although the news is really from 2020, I have to admit that this is the first time I've heard of this expression, and it really sounds amazing that someone could think of something like that. It's really a shame that so many people still have confidence in someone who has such crazy ideas, even though I would even call them dangerous.
2214  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Petition to remove Wasabi from recommendations of bitcoin.org on: June 29, 2023, 04:00:30 PM
~snip~
A privacy oriented wallet that is cooperating with anti-privacy organizations can not be trusted.

It's unbelievable to me that we have to construct sentences like this because some people try to combine things that just can't go with each other by any logic. I'm just wondering what kind of new nonsense will appear tomorrow or the day after, because there are more and more people we can't trust, even though they keep trying to convince us that there's nothing controversial about it.



As for the removal, I think it might be too harsh, because in that case someone might say that we should remove Ledger, which in my opinion is a much bigger problem, and is also one of the recommendations. I agree with some that a warning might be more appropriate.
2215  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Not Another Merit Question. Please Hear Me Out on: June 29, 2023, 03:31:18 PM
Will I ever join the merit 5k plus merit club or reach 5k plus merits? I have pondered this question numerous times. The profiles of certain legendary members indicate that they have indeed achieved the impressive milestone of 5k plus merit. They are regarded as the most prominent figures on this platform and given preferential treatments during signature campaign application and selection, and I greatly admire them.

Everyone has the right to think about what they want, so why not set yourself a goal if it motivates you to be eager to acquire new knowledge and to share the same knowledge with others. I'm not in a 5k merit club yet, but I'm not far from it either, although some will say it's much easier to get to that goal when you get 1000 merits. Of course, it should not be forgotten that many were members of the forum years before there was a merit system, so they would probably have much more merit than they have today.

In this forum, it is almost considered taboo for newcomers to discuss merits. The typical response received is often critical. Some individuals attempt to convey their message politely by advising new members not to focus on merits, but rather to concentrate on creating high-quality posts without making merits their primary goal. Personally, I have doubts about this perspective. In order to progress on this forum, one must actively pursue growth and development. Being intentional entails setting goals.

If your goal is just to participate in the best sig campaigns, then you will certainly be burdened with progress and reaching a better rank, but the truth is that you will achieve it much harder if you do it under pressure thinking that you have to get xx or xxx merits every month.

This question is directed to everyone, but particularly to those who belong to the esteemed 5k plus merit club. Did you ever set a merit goal for yourself, such as aiming for 2000 or 5000 merits by a certain point in time? Or did you simply remain an active member without explicitly considering merits, only to one day discover that your account had accumulated 5000 plus merits?

I personally didn't set such goals because of the things I've already written, and I just don't worry too much about numbers. Any merit for your post may mean that someone appreciates what you wrote, although it should not be forgotten that some posts that are worthy of merit simply go unnoticed or are on boards where there is no merit source.
2216  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [INFO]Hong Kong's HSBC Allows Customers to Trade Bitcoin. on: June 29, 2023, 02:42:01 PM
Hehehehe I never said or even implied that presently China is more friendly towards the cryptospace than the US. What I was saying is how it is head shaking that a communist country like China is starting to open their borders for the cryptospace and America is closing theirs.

I don't agree with the U.S. closing the door, just trying to put an end to some things that should have been regulated a long time ago, unless you think that all that scam associated with altcoins/DeFi should continue even though people lose hundreds of millions of dollars every year? On the other hand, I ask you again, how can futures BTC ETF in HK be a sign that China is opening up to cryptocurrencies?

You also ask what I am talking about when comparing China and America in context to the cryptospace? It is China's ambition to be the world leader in everything, including information technology and blockchain. President Xi mentioned this in one of his speeches. We are witnessing their move slowly in Hong Kong. Shanghai will be next.

So what difference does it make that their president mentioned blockchain a few years ago? It's something that doesn't have to have anything to do with any cryptocurrency, least of all decentralized like Bitcoin. China will only accept what it can fully control, and if you believe in any other outcome you are hardly mistaken.
2217  Economy / Speculation / Re: Microstrategy buys again! on: June 29, 2023, 02:22:52 PM
We have a topic dedicated to discussing Microstrategy investments in Bitcoin, you can update the news in that topic so that the discussions are more quality instead of creating a new topic with each purchase.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5268108.0

That's right, I really don't see the point in the fact that every time MS makes a new purchase we have a few new threads. In addition, it should be pointed out that @fillippone well noted that MS could find itself in an awkward situation if the SEC approves an ETF which we talk about a lot these days.

Be warned about the risky situation of Microstrategy.
Everyone is looking at Microstrategy as an "ETF proxy".
They are buying a lot of BTC, and investors have flocked to MSTR because of that.
In case of an ETF approval, Microstrategy would lose all those investors, as the ETF is such a more efficient way of holding BTC.
In case you want to bet on ETF approval: Long GBTC, short MSTR!
2218  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will another ETF be immediately bullish for Bitcoin? on: June 28, 2023, 01:49:15 PM
I don't think that previous events were crucial for price correction, because if we start from the end of 2017 then it is easy to conclude that the bubble simply had to burst after many investors completely misunderstood what futures contracts are and how they will affect the price of BTC - and the same thing happened at the peak of 2021.

As for Bakkt, that story has been pumped for months as something big, when in fact the pandemic was already knocking on the door even though mere mortals didn't know it. In addition, the 50% drop occurred only in March when a pandemic was declared, but then a lot of bad things happened and Bitcoin was no exception.

The story around BlackRock and Fidelity (Grayscale) can have positive effects, especially if the SEC accepts their request and this acceptance is closely correlated with halving. If we take into account the time limit within which the SEC has to make a final decision (240 days) then this brings us to January 2024, just a little more than 2 months before halving.

Given that BR&F are big players and companies with over $10 trillion under management, and that it is a spot ETF, I believe that a positive decision would have a significant impact on the price of BTC. The real question is whether the average investor understands what this is really about or thinks it's just a repeat of another old story with a failed BTC ETFs.
2219  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Teacher and Classmates Labeling Bitcoin as a Ponzi Scheme or a Scam on: June 28, 2023, 11:13:00 AM
My nephew, who is around 15 years old, has gained knowledge about bitcoin and cryptocurrencies through exposure to discussions between his father (my brother) and me, as we frequently talk about bitcoin.
~snip~

You and your brother should talk about such things privately, not in the presence of children, because realistically such discussions are not something that should burden children. It's not just a matter of filling your child's head with things he's too young for, but also about your child being exposed to safety risks because he can talk about these things to someone who has malicious intentions.

Recently, he expressed his frustration about his teacher and classmates labeling bitcoin as a ponzi scheme or a scam each time he talks about it. I'm seeking a variety of advice that I can offer to my nephew in this situation. Although his father suggested that he should stop discussing bitcoin, I don't feel comfortable with that approach. What are your thoughts on this matter?

I would agree that his father is right, and that he should make a decision on how to raise his son - because the inconvenience he feels at school is a direct result of getting information that should not have come to him at all. If it has already come to the point that he feels frustrated because someone is saying something about something in a way that he does not like, then it is time to teach him a lesson about how everyone is entitled to their opinion, and accordingly such an opinion should be ignored.

The world is full of people who think Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme and an internet scam, and as far as I'm concerned they can think that for the rest of their lives. It just goes to show that they're not intelligent enough to process all publicly available information .
2220  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [INFO]Hong Kong's HSBC Allows Customers to Trade Bitcoin. on: June 28, 2023, 10:46:49 AM
I am not arguing, I am only saying that China is slowly opening their borders for the cryptospace through Hong Kong as the go between and I think this is a positive development compared to the crackdowns being done by uncle Gary. There is more news besides the Hong Kong ETF article that already shows this.

You're grasping at straws that really don't make sense to grasp on since your main thesis is that China is becoming more crypto friendly than the US. And the fact is that what is happening in HK has nothing to do with Bitcoin or the Chinese position towards it.

Also, about ETFs in America, futures ETFs that were already approved are different from spot ETFs. Spot ETFs invests in real Bitcoin.

I don't know why you think you need to teach me about the difference between spot and futures ETF, and I tell you in my previous post that futures BTC ETF has been around for years in the US, and your Uncle Gary has nothing against it. You and many think that the SEC is fighting Bitcoin, when in fact all this fight is directed against shitcoins, and then what are you even talking about when comparing China and the US in the context of cryptocurrencies?
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