Hello All,
What you think is the best investment to gain steady income in btc without actively doing anything?
So no trading/gambling/loaning etc.
Steady income more likely to be 'small & secure' than 'big & risky'.
Thanks,
BR Oinas
What? Earning without actively doing something? lol, even for faucets you need to continuously fill in captchas. You cant earn without actively working or doing something, money isnt free. Trading, loaning, Signature Campaigns, Faucets, and sometimes gambling are the only legit ways apart from mining. And I advice you not to invest in cloud mining, almost 99% of them are scams or ponzi schemes. If you cant work, you just cant earn. I qualify my take on this mate. Yes, I agree that we need to do something in order to earn money and there is really no free money today. But I would also like to point it out that there are things that you can earn even you not actively working on it and that is what we called a passive income. |
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There are only two reason why gambling is so addicting, First you can win money and second reason is because gambling is good for leisure.
you are right. between pleasure and profit, it will make you addicted to gambling. Well, many people are like that, even when he was hooked on gambling, he risked everything, because hope, that gambling can make it get much profit, or sink into the pleasure If you just go for the pleasure, there is no addictiveness of a gambling game because pleasure is brought through eating candy as well, but do you see people using their entire life sayings on candies as well? No. Because there is no "profit" from eating candy. There might be a potential payoff for people who gamble, and this is why they are addicted. They are attracted by that potential payout. I really love your analogy mate about candy in relation to gambling and I totally agree with that. We should only gamble for fun, entertainment, or pleasure and not aimed at profiting from it because at the end of the day, we are going to make any profit especially if we just gamble randomly. Aiming with profit in gambling is not going to be effective in the long run. It can be effective for a short amount of time, but in the end that will lead you to regret that move. And that is making people addicted with gambling if they are aiming with profit too much because of that it is leading them in too having a lot of lose. I could not agree more with you mate. It is always a good feeling to just gamble for fun and not profit. Of course, only gamble a certain amount of money that you can really afford to lose - think of it as just like watching movie, you enjoy watching movie even though you cannot get back the money you get from buying the movie ticket. |
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The best strategy is to not gamble at all, guaranteed 0btc loss  but the question what is your gambling strategy? In this Gambling topic you must know and you must give some advice with your own opinion and for me, we can limit our loss if we also limit our bets when it comes in gambling. haha this dude was right we're on gambling topic that's why he's askin what to do to limitloss and earn more profit from gambling . well for me we can make decrease our loss of bitcoins if we're gonna make some reminer or maybe some target if we have target we can make decrease our loss of bitcoins when gambling because we know our limitation and in that method also we can make bitcoins more because we know what we're gonna do and how many bitcoin gonna be wasted. That is right, I have been there, done this and that about gambling. I lost couple of bitcoins already and also winning some bitcoins. I would say that at the end of the day, those that really make a killing in gambling are the one that really put all of their efforts and attention to their system and become a professional gambler and no other things going on apart from gambling. And if you don't want that to happen to you, then better just play for fun and not for profit. |
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If we only focus profit on the long term, let alone the gains was certainly we will stress, gambling is only a distraction, I will not use gambling for priority investments and moreover long term.
But gambling is not destruction but the way you play gambling is really depend that either it destruction or supportive, if you have no limit of playing gambling then it is just a destruction but if you are playing gambling with a strategy then it is okay and you can really enjoy it especially in long run. You know, we all are play gambling only one way, and it is winning way, But in fact, we always faces that way and it is lose, So it is really difficult to say that gambling is profitable thing and especially in a long term, I am not agree on it, even every experience gambler person can't accept that gambling is a profitable way, Because it is not a business or investment, it is gambling and also it is full of risk. In general, gambling is not profitable and the statistics speaks for itself, there are more losers than winners which makes a statement that gambling is not profitable in the long run. For some it is but for the majority of gamblers it's not. Now, we can rate ourselves now on where do we belong and it should be be base on our record if we are tracking it. I don't think even those some people also can make money every time they gamble. Because gambling needs some luck along with your skills to win and that luck will support sometimes but if you gamble everyday then most likely will lose money. I think even expert gamblers also lose money in the longer run. In fairness, there are really professional gamblers out there that are really making a killing with gambling because they really know what they are doing. They have a built in system that they follow and they consider that losing is just part of the game but they are laser focus on winning more than losing. |
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No their are no safe methods to gamble, its all based on luck so that is saying it already its something that can simply not done safe these days.
Not all gambling games are basing on the luck of the gamblers some of them are just depending on the skill and proper analysis of the gambler. And perfect example is with sports betting because you will not going to depend with your luck totally with it. Also add playing poker, because you are the one that needs to play for your card but with some luck for the cards that you will need to flip. To be able to be good at sports-betting you must be good at analyzing the sports team. And not all people can do that. Also poker is not just a game for a people that feels bored. A poker game needs to be played by a skilled player or else he will just lose his money. That's why i think most people rely on their luck when gambling. I agree with you. Most of the people usually put their money into something they do not clearly understand about it while experts analyze the site, find some advantage and disadvantage as well as calculate the profit they may obtain after a game in order to get higher profit. There is nothing call safe methods at all. You have to be wise when you decide to join the gambling world. That's the only method I have known If you understand the purpose of gambling then no need to worry so much about all those calculation. Because it is meant for fun and it comes with some fee so one shouldn't for these paid fun activity every day instead try their luck weekly or monthly with small amount should be fine. If they lose think that spent for entertainment and if lucky then they can make some money. if you win you will be happy enjoying your earnings and spend it freely if you lose just think that you just pay some thrilling activity that allow you to enjoy your game i get your point mate and i'm doing this too not really engaging myself and treat it just to have some fun with my spare time. Agreed. As long as gambling is consider as a fun with a potential profit, it's okay! Gambling will be fun if you are keep on winning even the amount of it is just low but I guess you won't say it is fun when you are losing. But if you truly gamble just for fun you won't be thinking about any strategy because you will just play gamble as it is used to be. And if you win, then that is just a bonus for you. Well happiness is when you win in gambling. I do agree that it is really fun if you loose big amount of money in gambling ! Because you play gambling to win then if you win you are having fun. Well i couldnt say that im just playing gambling to loose my bits and be happy. As long as you gamble with the intention of making a profit then surely you can't enjoy any games or get fun. Because you mentioned clearly, that can get fun only if you get money. But for vocational gamblers they will not worry about end results instead, choose a more exciting game and spend some money for that excitement. I agree with you with this mate that when you are going to gamble for profit, you will going to have fun. And this is really what we should do when we want to really get serious to gambling, we should set aside our emotions and just play by the pre-planned bets and stick to it no matter what are the winning or losing circumstances. |
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Trading in my opinion is by definition taking advantage of something and is based pretty much on human psychology. So it is dead right to say that it is an unpredictable job. For example it might be dead obvious that USD is going to fall but it might just go the other way.
Just like trading altcoins. It's all expectations and speculation.
Yeah, I agree that it is based on human psychology and if a trader can interpret the graph according to human or social psychology, then that trader will have many winning trades than losing ones. Why? Because that trader can capitalize on buying when people are scared and selling when people are greedy and on those processes, that trader will going to profit. |
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There are only two reason why gambling is so addicting, First you can win money and second reason is because gambling is good for leisure.
you are right. between pleasure and profit, it will make you addicted to gambling. Well, many people are like that, even when he was hooked on gambling, he risked everything, because hope, that gambling can make it get much profit, or sink into the pleasure If you just go for the pleasure, there is no addictiveness of a gambling game because pleasure is brought through eating candy as well, but do you see people using their entire life sayings on candies as well? No. Because there is no "profit" from eating candy. There might be a potential payoff for people who gamble, and this is why they are addicted. They are attracted by that potential payout. I really love your analogy mate about candy in relation to gambling and I totally agree with that. We should only gamble for fun, entertainment, or pleasure and not aimed at profiting from it because at the end of the day, we are going to make any profit especially if we just gamble randomly. |
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u will loose small amount, then best more then more then u quit or loose all u have  gambling is only for people with tight nerves Whether you got small bankroll or big bankroll the end result will be same. But with big bankroll you can play longer and if your smart enough can stop when you make some profit but if you continue gambling surely will lose back to casino houses. So gambling should be only for fun and entertainment. Yes, whether we win or lose at gambling mostly we will come back to bet again. There is a common expression here in my place that says "win at gambling is just temporary while lose is our final destination". Based on that, I will always bet with small amount hence even I will lose and lose again that wont interfere my financial. We should really expect to lose when we are playing gambling and we should not aim for money the important thing is having fund management and as you said we should only bet on the amount that would not interfere or compromise our financial. Small amounts would be a good idea especially when you are just starting up on playing gambling. If we really don't know what we are doing and we don't have any strategies in place and just betting randomly, then at the end of the day, we are really going to lose because of the casino house edge advantage - unless we are lucky enough. However, if we play like the professional gamblers, we can mitigate loses by employing pre-planned betting. |
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My personal experience with gambling is that the more you think about not doing it the more likely you'll actually do it. So my strategy to not being addicted to gambling is to actually accept the fact that gambling is bad and should only be played an as entertainment.
It is no different to watching TV once you get that fact right.
If you compare with the entertainment side you have a point, but when it comes to the negative side, the addiction of a gambler is different from the purpose of being addicted in watching TV. An addicted gambler is not making a wise decision anymore and he will gamble as much money as he can and will not stop until he get bankrupt. Yeah, they won't stop as long as they have money to gamble. Gambling addiction is the worst addiction of all because it can ruin your life and also hurt people around you. If you don't want it to happen stop gambling or reduce your gambling activities before it's too late. Well for person who already addicted its very hard to stop especially if he used to it as part of his life. they need professional help and support from his family. it can only be done slowly. I don't think they need professional help what they need is support from family and have some space for his to think about the things and opportunities that he wasted for being an addicted gambler. Just like if he will realize the total amount of his wager, what if all of those money where invested or saved? For sure he is enjoying that money today. Professional help is also required to him to stop him from looting his money on gambling instead of only playing with gambling. The addicts often become addicts because they think that they can make their wealth from gambling and they start to spend all of their capital in gambling and then chase that investment and in this way they lose all of their wealth. So in professional help we have to provide the gambler a new way of earning money and have to tran then to start their business and have to make them busy in that field. I have friends that already get some consultation and professional help from an expert, to be specific that is a psychiatrist. But it seems that they are just wasting their money because it doesn't help anyway, for the few words they get with that person. It contributes nothing to his desire to fully quit gambling. My last option would be, come unto God. It's free and sure way of staying away in gambling. I agree but we all know that God does not interact directly to people, Divine intervention seldom happen, it is very rare nowadays. Often God use medium, to help us, either other people or in form of things. Nevertheless, he will give the good desire of your heart especially whe you are really sincere to achieve change. I agree with you mate about it but I believe God is always there watching over us in everything we do but He just gives us freedom to do the things we want with of course, a law that governs us. After all, there is no freedom without the law. |
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Why is someone get addicted to gambling once he gamble ?
The main reason is winning not the losing. If you lose money right away after you've started gambling it's unlikely you will continue to gamble let alone become addicted to it. But if you win you start thinking you can always make money like that and that's where the problem starts. Then even if you lose you don't stop because you think you can "recover". I agree with that and maybe most of the gamblers are into that situation where they experienced win first during their first gambling try. However, there are also other people that keeps on coming back due to chasing losses. |
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In general, the banking system so strong that it will withstand any shocks. It has existed for a long time, long before the emergence of the Internet and even electricity. Therefore, we can conclude that banks will live forever.
Nothing last forever, and banks are indeed old institution and they will disappear one day definitely. The reason of their disappearance will not be cause they are exist so long, it will be cause they are making rich people richer and they don't care about a little guy, and when awareness get to some higher level banks will be abandoned and people will move to alternatives, and for now fiat have just one alternative, bitcoin! Wow, that is a very strong statement there mate! I really disagree with you that banks will disappear unless we will be in the point of no world order due to big nature calamities or after most of the countries are destroyed due to nuclear bombs from world war, or any related misfortunes.. But I doubt we will come to that point tbh. |
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Gamble in sports betting so you can research every team statistics and compare it to other that way you can determine who to bet so the chance of winning will be higher. Avoid roulette game as I don't have good experience to it stick to statistic games just to be safe .
That's one real smart way to go about gambling but the issue there is that there is no certainty in any game because its even hard to go against the odds provided by the gambling sites in the sense that you put yourself in a position where you believe they have more statistics to conclude the odds. Another issue is when the odds are not too different from each other which could be confusing to go with a side without beclouded with emotions. Instead of wasting time on finding a smart way just play with some small fixed amount and enjoy the games. If one is lucky, then they will win otherwise think that you spent that money for fun activity. I never bet high amount in any single bet so I don't worry much on end results. That is so true. We need to gamble with small amount or an amount that we can afford to lose when it comes to gambling. Because gambling is just very risky. We should only gamble just for fun and not for profit. |
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Its depend on the purpose. If we wants short term investment we should choose bitcoin but if we wants long term investment we should choose gold.
There is not guaranty that in short term bitcoins always gives profit because if prices go down for some known reason then no one can tell you how long it may take to recover back to this level. Just diversify your money into few different products to take the advantage of different markets. I have invested in both gold and bitcoins. That is the best thing to do - we need to diversify when it comes to investing. We don't want to lose all of our investment on one product that we are invested the moment the same will going down. But if we diversify our investment, then even if certain product is going down, other products will compensate the losses.. |
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Indeed dice is not game of skills. There are other gambling games based on skill but dice is based on pure luck. Many people do like to experiment on their luck without even bothering of the consequences.
Hence the winnings of gambling is pure luck as far as dice is concerned.
Yes, dice is totally depending on luck, there is no requirement of our skill. Maybe in sports you have a little edge of your skill and experience but still luck also play important role there. Overall winning gambling needs luck and without luck we may gamble for entertainment. So we need not to worry about consequences when we are not being lucky, still we have some reason to stick with it  . I totally agree with you many games and all gambling games needing a luck for us to win and in fact that not all people are lucky so we must adjust ourselves on what gambling would a good percentage to win . Most of gambling games are based on pure luck. However, there are games like poker, that aside from luck, you need a good skill in order to win. With regards to slot games, that is really purely out of luck because all you have to do is click on the button and wait whether you win or not. |
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Just follow your instict and you will be fine  And by the its a gamble we really dont know what will happen after we bet so just allow your assessment to win inside your mind and wait for the result if we are lucky enough for sure its gonna win. Nothing is needed but to wait and see just always remember to enjoy so win or lose you will find happiness with your game. Our instinct are wrong most of the time especially in sports betting, when we see the line we grab it easily because we feel that our favorite team is going to win in the game. Without knowing that bookmakers knows how a typical gambler reacts so they will set the line to be deceiving and make it easy for us to choose the bet but in the end we know our bets had lose. I don't believe in my instinct too, sometimes I do trust it when I test it. Just like in dice games, when I think if the roll is going to be 51> Then I will bet on it, but most of the time I fail with it so I just trust my own analyzing and don't lean on my instinct anymore. Maybe I will just use this for YOLOing. But that is not the smart way though. Me too i don't trust also my instinct because most of the time I fail with my instinct, sometimes I just won when I am not expecting it because once you expect more, the more you will hurt in the result. As they say, expect the unexpected. neither do i, i'd rather to playing gambling with no feeling at all and just playing the games. because if i use my instinct then i will become too greedy when i see the opportunity for me its coming and its just make me loss in money. i have in this situation in the past, and i don't want this is happen in future. In short, just play for fun and that is it - never ever play for profit because most likely you will only be disappointed to the outcome due to the house edge advantage of casinos.. |
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Oh my, what have I gone through.. I badly needed the money for family reason and now, because of ignorance, I am now in this situation..I have no idea what the 3rd option would do? is this kind of service? how does QS makes my transaction get through? and how much usually does it cost? thanks steneven
He will push your tx to the f2pool's ...pool. This will make F2pool include your tx in one of their new blocks (which will make it confirmed.). That is nice.. thank you very much.. I've contacted QS already.. Thank you very much Steven for the help.. truly appreciated it |
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OMG, I never knew what I am doing, yes I remember it was .0005btc/kb and I changed it to .0001btc/kb because I thought to make it the same with my poloniex fee of .0001 btc.. I just realized now that there is /kb there and not .0001 btc fee for the whole transaction.. I've learned my lesson now..
What shall I do now Steven? will I still receive my bitcoin to my other wallet or anything that should I do?
I truly appreciate your help.. thank you very much
I'll just quote something I read a minute ago. - You can just wait and hope that the transaction will confirm eventually.
- You can repeatedly re-broadcast the transaction every half-day or so to make sure that the network doesn't forget the transaction. This will give you more opportunity for the transaction to confirm in the next few days or weeks
- You can contact someone that has the ability to choose which transactions one of the larger mining pools confirms. You can offer them an additional payment to provide that service to you.
Additionally: -Within this forum, Quickseller might be able to help you with the third method. Same with macbook-air. I'd try QS first because he's online most of the time. -If you choose not to do anything and the transaction stays unconfirmed for a long time, the bitcoins will eventually return to your wallet once the transaction have been dropped by the majority of the network. If you still don't see it in few days try switching servers. Oh my, what have I gone through.. I badly needed the money for family reason and now, because of ignorance, I am now in this situation..I have no idea what the 3rd option would do? is this kind of service? how does QS makes my transaction get through? and how much usually does it cost? thanks steneven |
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That's not 0.0005 BTC/KB... It's 0.0001 BTC/KB. Electrum will give you a "not enough funds" message if you set the output to be more than the recommended fee so you might have set the fee of the transaction or have set the fee per KB under your settings to 0.0001 BTC. In the future you should probably use dynamic fee and set it to high (Tools > Preferences > Use dynamic fee). OMG, I never knew what I am doing, yes I remember it was .0005btc/kb and I changed it to .0001btc/kb because I thought to make it the same with my poloniex fee of .0001 btc.. I just realized now that there is /kb there and not .0001 btc fee for the whole transaction.. I've learned my lesson now.. What shall I do now Steven? will I still receive my bitcoin to my other wallet or anything that should I do? I truly appreciate your help.. thank you very much |
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Guys,
I got some problem with my bitcoin transaction, it says medium priority.. It is my first time to encounter this as this is also my first time to send bitcoin from my electrum wallet to my online exchange wallet for cash withdrawal.. Now, it's more than 6 hours already and the bitcoins, all are from my signature campaign earnings, ar not yet reflected on my other online bitcoin wallet - it is still unconfirmed and pending..
I checked the blockchain and it says that it is with medium priority and needs within 6 blocks.. I just use the default electrum fees of .0005 btc/kb and the transaction fee is 0.0001522 btc..
anyone experienced this before? can you recommend me of what shall i do with this? does the transaction ever get through and for how many hours? I also wanted to know if it was already within 6 blocks, and tbh, I really don't have any idea how to do that..
Please help..
Thanks
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