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1441  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: August 10, 2017, 05:59:37 AM
I choose bitcoin because there is potential that reach $5000 to $10000 in the future maybe in 5 years but the problem is i don't have bitcoin yet only satoshis, well soon I'm gonna get 1 bitcoin I'll try to work hard for bitcoin.

Once your rank gets upgraded to higher level you can earn good amount of bitcoins by joining signature campaign and if you have any skills then you can offer your services and get paid in bitcoins and that will increase the number of bitcoins in your wallet.

I agree that one of the best ways to earn bitcoin is to join a signature campaign on this forum - I am a long time member of my signature campaign and it evolves from just little amount btc value to quite nice btc value nowadays Smiley
1442  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: how to start trading with a very small amount on: August 10, 2017, 05:57:36 AM
Haha trading with small amount on bull market can be very dissapointing if you decide to invest heavy and market turns around..  Grin
But for me its the strategy that works. Crypto markets are new and there are a lot of ways to make money so far , so explore and make your own systems , try them out on certain periods of time..profit  Cool dont forget tho its all about staying in the game ,so read something about risk managment , fraction your position ect.

He's just starting out dude and it's probably better that way. Don't trade with big amounts if you're not yet that ready and don't have that much experience yet. Small amounts are perfect to practice what you've learned without risking to lose big.
That's how you start in everything that involves risk, even if you are starting a business you start small so if you fail you can still go on and make some adjustment. Trading is not gonna be an instant way of making ourselves rich, we aim to be rich but it will take a lot of challenges and we need to surpass that.

We don't want to get bankrupt and be discourage in our first attempt to trade - we are just learning and the process will definitely include few losing trades here and there, well even expert traders have their share of losing trades from time to time. But when you get the hang of it, you will figure out how to make more winning trades versus losing one.
1443  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling be profitable in long term ? on: August 10, 2017, 05:55:22 AM
We can not forever rely on gambling to earn more money. Because sebanarnya gambling is just a game. Surely there will be time to lose. Do not be too ambitious

I agree, gambling is not an earning den except for casino owner.  Gambling casino is created for entertainment and winning is the bonus.  It is made to take away stress and strain, diversification of attention after a long week of hardwork. It is profitable in terms of refreshing people for the next weeks work and if done in moderation.  It has been proven that gambling casino is one of the best way to socialize and remove stress.
That's true we cannot really earn money by gambling,  and its very sad that you've been working the whole week but lose it all in just one night if not that lucky.
That is the thing with gambling you can be in profit for most of the session but if at the end of the session you made a mistake or you simply get bad luck then you may lose all your money in a few rolls of a dice and then what it was a nice day becomes a terrible day.

I can really relate to that feeling - I remember a year ago where I thought I was doing great on that day when I just get consistent red until I just ran out of bankroll - guess how much btc was that? just 1.5 btc and all gone in a matter of few hours only. I don't want to experience that same feeling again.
1444  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: August 09, 2017, 12:54:39 PM
Right or wrong are just a perspective. I believe that there is neither wrong nor right. They are just within our psychological state. Gambling is not wrong and it is not right. It is just how you can deal with it in the way you see fit. If you are in a loss of money, you should stop. If you won lots of money, keep playing. That's life. If you do not think about yourself, you will not survive.

There are many things here in this world where it was designed to be for good but can turn out to used sometimes for bad. Let's take a look at some example, guns - can be used for criminals but criminals can use it too for their criminal acts; money - can be used to buy good things in life as well as bad; food - needed for the body and nourishment but can be the source of obesity; and the list goes on and on.

So same is true with gambling, it was designed for entertainment but can also be devastating for players if loses very big money that he/she cannot afford to lose.
1445  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: August 09, 2017, 10:39:19 AM
hello everyone.
i want to know what do you think about gambling bitcoin.. Does Beneficial or more losses?
Share your story here guys!  Grin Grin Grin

Gambling is not wrong. It is just for fun and entertainment.

Gambling away your salary or savings is wrong. Only make bets that you can afford to play with.

Precisely! Gambling can only be wrong when you are already using lots of money and even your family savings that if it will going to lose, you can't really afford to lose it and it will make you more frustrated and stress not to mention that you will get into financial trouble.
1446  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: I quit trading on: August 09, 2017, 10:37:02 AM
Just, try to different types of investment. Although , this type of investment has high risk , In my personal experience it pay as promise and my investment returned within 26 days. (I initially invested $250 around 0.09btc and return it back) so,You will get guarantee high return (3.5%+ daily or 0.16% hourly) with cutting edges mining  instruments  https://futurecoins.io/?ref=abintl and best part you will withdrawal your principle after 24hrs and withdrawal thresholds only 0.0005 btc . please be careful, . these systems have done very well so far but keep in mind they are not proven over time and could be reverse  at any time in the future
From what I read it looks like what you are saying is about an HYIP program, I don't think that is a good idea you are suggesting to a man who has experience in trading to put his money into something that is not guaranteed. Yes they will say that they are giving 3.5% daily but how long will it last? From my personal experience you won't even get your money back. These are the sort of investments you want to avoid putting your money into because the chance of losing your money is quiet high rather than earn something from it.
Hyips are not recommended for the people who want some serious source of income because hyip is like legit site in the early few weeks of that site and it will turn into scam after at least a month. I have been through most of the hyips and that is what their pattern before they turn to scam or something really disappointed for a serious investor.

That is true, I have known several friends who have invested in some cloud mining before and they recruited me but I refused because it was really clear that the site was a scam and was just a matter of time before everyone will going to know it. Although the site was so popular back then and there are a lot of investors, it really turns to scam at the end even if it got some trust already be many in the bitcoin community.
1447  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to play gambling in a smart way? on: August 09, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
I have noticed so many players are just gambling for the sake of profits only. But majority of them loses most of the games eventually as they are not smart players.

So how should we gamble in a smart way so that we do not get more frustrations due to continuous losses?
Gambling is more on depend in luck there is no 100% that you can get profit, because most winning case in the games is just a luck, or guess timing on betting sometimes. So I think the smartest that I could say is quit in the games if you win several time then if your balance to your bankroll is more than your capital, that's the time for you to stop.

This will always be a very long conversation,
For those who are experienced in the Gambling and lose they will surely say victory in gambling is luck, but it is different for those who win. Gambling is a strategy in making money, that's what I often encounter in other threads,
this is not easy
If that so well,play just for one time and if you win a particular amount which big enough don't play again because you will lose again and again. That's the smarter way to play gambling. You are not only having fun but you get money in return as a prize which doubles your bettings.

In other words, hit and run and don't get lured to bet again when you have just won a big profit in your gambling session. Because if you do, you get more chances of losing than winning if you bet several times again - although might get lucky and when even more though.
1448  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin cannot replace currency in the world because price is not stable on: August 09, 2017, 10:28:43 AM
Bitcoin is certainly not a globally accepted currency but, it's decentralised. It's cashless, it's secure and cannot be stolen. It's value increases what beyond what one can imagine. You can buy and sell using Bitcoins. 

correct about bitcoin as not globally accepted currency but anyone in the world can use bitcoin to any transactions that accept bitcoin. This is the beauty of it because anyone can use it and there is no limitation like with each country currency, there is a need to convert them into dollars for certain type of transactions before it gets through but with bitcoin, it can be done easily.
1449  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading is unpredictable job. on: August 09, 2017, 10:25:11 AM
There are many people who lost their money on trading, because trading is unpredictable job, in my opinion i need:
Method ( i must have system trading)
Money ( i must have management of money and risk)
Mind ( i must can control my emotion)
Tell me your opinions?

If that so, all traders will lost their money on trading. You're not perfectly right about your words Trading is unpredictable job. All traders are responsible on their own money if they actually lose it then they have not yet enough knowledge on trading. You must be wiser and you must control your feelings. In trading it is Ups to you whether you lose your money or not.
Even though trading is unpredictable job, its still alright for a person to try it because even though trading is risky, it is only all about the patience and also knowledge of the person to overcome all the challenges that he will encounter in trading. It is indeed ups and downs in trading but if you are a good trader, you can take advantage of those two opposite scenarios to make a lot of money.

Just start and once you get the hang of it, trading will somewhat be a second instinct to you and before you know it, you will be having more winning trades than losing one. You need to learn how to properly trade and execute your trading skills and handling emotion - there is no other way to practice but to start trading now.
1450  Economy / Services / Re: ★☆★ 777Coin Signature Campaign ★☆★ (Jr-Hero Accepted) on: August 09, 2017, 10:04:15 AM
Thank you for the info and update lightlord
A proud signature bearer here of 777coin for a very long time already Smiley
Glad that this signature campaign continues and I believe that we are one of the longest signature campaign running here in bitcointalk community.
1451  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling be profitable in long term ? on: August 09, 2017, 02:47:47 AM
We can not forever rely on gambling to earn more money. Because sebanarnya gambling is just a game. Surely there will be time to lose. Do not be too ambitious

I agree, gambling is not an earning den except for casino owner.  Gambling casino is created for entertainment and winning is the bonus.  It is made to take away stress and strain, diversification of attention after a long week of hardwork. It is profitable in terms of refreshing people for the next weeks work and if done in moderation.  It has been proven that gambling casino is one of the best way to socialize and remove stress.
That's true we cannot really earn money by gambling,  and its very sad that you've been working the whole week but lose it all in just one night if not that lucky.
You better know your skills, it's good to try to make money in gambling but make sure you put a limit because it's hard to continue fighting when you are just fighting in a losing battle. Everyone should fully understand that risk is big because our chance of winning is very low and that is normal as the house always take profit.

due to house edge advantage, we are left with lesser chances to win over the house. That is why it is way better to just play for fun with that money you can afford to lose because if you will going to lose it wouldn't be frustrating.
1452  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading is unpredictable job. on: August 08, 2017, 04:35:34 PM
There are many people who lost their money on trading, because trading is unpredictable job, in my opinion i need:
Method ( i must have system trading)
Money ( i must have management of money and risk)
Mind ( i must can control my emotion)
Tell me your opinions?

Yes trading is we cannot predict.That if we trade theres a hope that we can sucessfully profit big but sometimes are failuire,and thats a part of trading maybe we might lose some.But more on the other time we goin and profit because that was tradings status it like in a business you can have failuire first before you go to success.

I am not sure but I guess what you are trying to say is that trading can be very difficult at first but when we get the hang of it through experienced and continue learning and honing of one's trading skills, we can make a killing in trading.. I may be wrong Smiley
1453  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to quit Gambling for good? on: August 08, 2017, 04:33:27 PM
Quitting gambling requires a determination and motivation. If you do not have the principle is the same. Because gambling is basically an addiction. Not easy to get out of the black hole

Just like in any other form of addiction - substance, alcohol, drugs, and the like, it is really not easy to get away with it. However, if we really want to change and have the support of friends and loved ones, then I believe we can quit gambling in due time. My reason to quit gambling was when my first baby boy got delivered by my wife.

I understand the impact and the situation of your family.Henceforth you had quit the gambling,but still many people being in the forum taking it as entertainment path. That kind of mentality should change first then only we can pull out the people from the gambling

yes, although I did not quite 100% of gambling because sometimes when my favorite game plays and I seed that they can easily win over their particular opponent, I will bet but with the money that I can afford to lose.
1454  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can gambling be profitable in long term ? on: August 08, 2017, 04:31:03 PM
Unless you are talking about poker or a similar game then it is impossible to make money long term in gambling, that is a reality we must accept, those that are looking to make money in gambling will lose more money than they can afford, this is why the common recommendation in the forum is to gamble with moderation.

Poker game is not really easy as well to make money in the long term. Some player are good to play in a poker site but not everyone can make money from a poker site. It is hard and as hard as usual luck based game. I dont think it is profitable even for poker player because many poker player lose than win

I think poker needs practice and it is not like dice or slots where your skills dont matter at all. Poker is an EV+ game after all and thus the players skills are important in order to out-play that opponent. Then in dice you dont need any skills other than being able to roll the dice. If you are thinking of playing poker then make sure to practice it online or offline before you actually play it anywhere in a casino.

A poker game is really the best example of gambling that involves a great deal of skills in order to win most of the time than losing. The rest of the games that doesn't involved any skills are games based on pure luck and is very risky because you can't have much of a control over it versus poker.
I agree with you because I have experienced gambling with my friends and I have to say that you need a lot of experience to really win their money and that's awesome. I think there are other games that require skills in order to increase the chance of winning like blackjack (if you can count cards but that's illegal) something like that.

gambling that involves skills need some time, money, and effort in order to hone and master that skill.. because practice really makes perfect. If you practice more on the game of poker, you will develop the skill of reading the minds and bluff of people.
1455  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: To Gamble or To Invest? on: August 08, 2017, 04:28:08 PM
Gambling will always be high risk no matter how low the house edge and people lose money very fast this way and would prefer  investing which is far much better as you are growing your money .If  you do not mind buy your bitcoins and hold and wait for prices to go to the moon

gambling is a very high risk if you want to make it as your source of making money for a living. If you are just playing out of fun and entertainment with the money that you can afford to lose, then by all means do it Smiley
1456  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: August 08, 2017, 04:25:50 PM
For me, the main job is a stable source of income at the moment. Crypto currency for now is for me an additional earnings on the Internet in my spare time.

that is really a wise decision. If we don't have much of money at the moment to invest into business and related stuff, we are better of working to get some money and save to use for future business to build.
1457  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How to quit Gambling for good? on: August 08, 2017, 02:33:54 PM
Quitting gambling requires a determination and motivation. If you do not have the principle is the same. Because gambling is basically an addiction. Not easy to get out of the black hole

Just like in any other form of addiction - substance, alcohol, drugs, and the like, it is really not easy to get away with it. However, if we really want to change and have the support of friends and loved ones, then I believe we can quit gambling in due time. My reason to quit gambling was when my first baby boy got delivered by my wife.
1458  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: To Gamble or To Invest? on: August 08, 2017, 02:14:35 PM
I think that bitcoin is better just to keep and wait until the price rises. Gambling is too dangerous, and in investing you can get to scammers and lose your chance to become rich.
Investing sure does has risk of getting scammed, but if you do research before investing in a project/altcoin/gambling site, you can make decent profit.
i prefer to hold bitcoins also invest in interesting projects.
100% very well said if you are about to risk your money without doing a research maybe you're just wasting your money and time to think that you really earn from investing your money before to do a analization before making an move and also see always the reviews if the coins is good and has the potential to hold and give you profit at the end.

Investing your hard earned money blindly is just like gambling it away. We have the duty and due diligence to learn the vehicle investments we want to invest with so that the more we researched, the more we do an informed investing decisions.
1459  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin or gold? on: August 08, 2017, 02:11:39 PM
Gold for a more stable investment, BTC is you are looking for a currency that is able to earn you a lot very quickly
i think .the bitcoin is having more advantages than gold.because bitcoin price  rise quickly as what i have seen base on my observation bitcoin is having a quick rising price than gold that takes a manny year or a decade to rise its  price.for me it is bitcoin i choose.
yes i agree on you we are almost the same for me i also choose bitcoin .because we are now  heading into the world of internet.bitoin have an advantage in using internet.i think bitcoin can make us profitable someday.

Definitely.  Bitcoin has so many advantages compared to gold.  Technology keeps on evolving and bitcoin is part of it.  It is very profitable that everyone who knows bitcoins would really give their time to invest and to earn through it.  Just a knowledge with computers with internet connection then you are good to earn bitcoins.  Unlike gold wherein you need to buy and really invest, bitcoin can be earned without giving or paying money.

the beauty really of bitcoin is that they can be accumulated in some simple ways like a signature campaign, crypto trading, some services in exchange of bitcoin, and the like. Not to mention that it is really a good investment because of its potential price growth. With gold,it is also a good investment because as we all know, gold is really the money and everything like fiat money papers are just derivative of gold.
1460  Economy / Economics / Re: How can we make more money? on: August 08, 2017, 02:08:01 PM
What are the things to do to succeed in trade? What are you doing to make your business bigger?
How can we make more money?
While there are hundreds of methods to make money, there are only some basic methods to make more money, work harder, work longer and get someone else to work for you, and that is it.
i think so.work harder is not enough .we need to be  wise and get some worker .and make them work for you .and gain more profit. I think we also need to make more experince to make our self productive .

In order for us to be able to hire someone to work for us, there is a need for us to first know and create a proven system for ourselves so that when we are hiring, we are very certain on what tasks they are going to do and that all they do is follow your system and once it is ok, you can hire as much as you can and in the process earn as much as you can as well.
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