A rather weak pump attempt, fraught with errors of fact--and I'm not usually one to hate on Dash too much. So much bile being flung about--and yet Dash is hanging in there. It may turn out that the instamine and stuff won't matter. If the community is strong enough, it shouldn't matter. Chiropractic medicine was built on absolute garbage pseudoscience and has mostly overcome that over the years. But it's up in the air whether that'll be Dash or whether Dash will turn out like homeopathy instead.
This is due to the oligarchy that dash created forces masternode holders (great name btw) to hold their coins if they want to reap the rewards of their master status and continually try to hype greater fools to pay a premium for centralized services. What's great (or what should be great) about the world of programmable money is that if a coin fails to meet my criteria for what I want (political, investment, meme, ect.) then I should be able to move effortlessly to another coin. The creator's of dash must have realized that old world systems used greed and fear as the prime motivators to motivate its peasantry and decided that this route was still viable in a world that's half-out/half-in of the information age. But seeing as the flow of information is continually improving and the flow of misinformation (manipulated information) is continually slowing, as it has to take the extra step of meeting approval, this mode of cryptocurrency will meet an inglorious end. It's tough to break bad habits, but the information age can give us better, and sometimes worse, habits at near the speed of light. |
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Haven't seen any of that alleged "evidence". Only evidence in here so far is that Monero was intentionally released as a cripplemine to the public rendering it a scam.
Do you have evidence that it was intentional? Do you have evidence that it affects the coin negatively, as in invalidating any of its claims of decentralization or privacy? If you don't have evidence of one, then you're left with the thread's title being false and a complete waste of time. As an example: I can show that dash is an oligarchy, whether intentional or not, due to the way their paynode scheme works. These systems are designed to work trustlessly, so any hiccups (intentional or not) should be invalidated by the design, not left-up to the good or bad intentions of those who are engaged with it. |
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So we continue to observe the self righteous Monero devs acting like they are the police of crypto.
Never trust a man who doesn’t drink because he’s probably a self-righteous sort, a man who thinks he knows right from wrong all the time. Very few of them are good men, but in the name of goodness, they cause most of the suffering in the world. They’re the judges, the meddlers, the true evil hidden under the cloak of good.
The true evil is the oligarchies that pervade the trustless space of cryptocurrencies pretending to be decentralized and invoking the name of Satoshi so they can fleece more peasants with their paynode schemes that reward their ill gotten gains over and over and over and over..... Instamines exasperate the problem of old world political leeching, but they don't create it--it's the paynode scheme that creates the oligarchy. Trying to compare a crippled miner to a 30% instamine in two days is a sad equivocation, but failing to see why that isn't even the real problem (at least politically) is reprehensible, but I suppose when you're an oligarch it is tough to see the technology from the fees. |
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1. why is he here--to drive shitcoiners crazy.
2. what does he want--to create a decentralized system that upends the current political model into the sea of data that is the information age.
3. where will it lead him--depends on how much time he spends doing 1 in the pursuit of 2.
You talking about the project he promised years ago? I imagine it's pretty complicated--I've been working on a poem for a decade now (not the only one), but every version changes a bit and I spend time away from it and then I change it dramatically and then it sits and then it seems perfect and the next day, WTF it reads like crap and on and on and on...... And that's only 7 pages, not an entire network, so maybe, it will take some time to get the project he wants on his terms? |
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1. why is he here--to drive shitcoiners crazy.
2. what does he want--to create a decentralized system that upends the current political model into the sea of data that is the information age.
3. where will it lead him--depends on how much time he spends doing 1 in the pursuit of 2.
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The day a list equals decentralization and a strong cryptosystem not built on hype and promises is the day you attach the cryptography that validates a valid system that doesn't use the end to end principle and the moment you attach an explanation as to how funneling back money into the masternodes bought with an instamine somehow, magically becomes not an oligarchy, but a truly decentralized cash--see some of us don't hide behind walls of BS to sidestep the main issue.
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Lol, typical misdirection from the Gordon Gecko fanclub  That book is still being written dumbass and Dash is helping write it, when the first edition comes out we'll help you with the bigger words  Maybe you can point me to the chapter that explains how you take a 30% instamine, create paynodes that cost a 1000 dash each, and have the emissions magically get distributed in non-centralized manner? I'm guessing it's between the chapters on fairy dust and moon dragons. After you've given me that chapter, you can show me the one on how you achieve adequate privacy without the end-to-end principle? Or is that just written in promises and buzzwords like the rest of you media? Or maybe it's between "X11, good until it's broken" and "Ethelution, we saw it was making money, so we did some things just like them, only we found a way to make it more centralized." |
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I believe "GTFO" is the usual term The trolleros aren't doing themselves many favours, I guess they've not figured there are 2 distinct cultures in this place and their efforts to appeal to one are the kind of thing that totally alienates the other Don't really care if a bunch wall street wannabees trying to ride the coattails of Satoshi are alienated or not. But go on rolling under the flags of decentralization and In Satoshi We Trust, because anyone one who gives a shit is going to notice that the most cryptoanarchist thing Evan ever said was one of the least cryptoanarchist things ever said--I'll say it again, the dash community is filled with posers. The reason you can't build a decentralized cash is because you forgot to read the literature on how to build a decentralized cash. |
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So when you say, "Poor USA. How can the "society" turn a blind eye on the vicious people witnessing severe crimes without helping?" after listing a German law addresses the issue, you are only referring to one American who lives in the Philippines and not the USA or its "society"? I must have missed the memo that stated using "quotes" in a mocking fashion has stopped and you are to assume them as a sincere quotation of something that's not actually being quoted. So I guess you weren't trying pull the "superior moral society" card and aren't backtracking to make your comment more palatable?
I am not sure I understand every word but I sense a certain interest for the truth I usually don`t when discussing with "you guys" (see above) and I`d be happy to apologize to you (and put you in my personal box of less obnoxious Monero fans, along with DeBruyne). So to explain: I have no idea where TBTP lives, nor would I know (or care) he is American, if he did not keep lecturing me about the how the "US society" (his words) has decided this and that. I was actually making fun of him, because of the imho ridiculous mixing of "society" and "government/law enforcement" and the collectivist undertone he has. So no, I was not trying to pull the "superior moral society card" (but guess who did?), as I don`t think in that moronic collectivist terms. I was just pointing out, that if the DASH/Synereo/Alleged Crypto-Madoff of the day TPTB is currently chasing is so evil and harmful according to the "US society" he considers himself speaking for, well, "we" have some moral/legal standards that put those to blame that do nothing against it and not call for the police to prosecute the evil doers and waste the time on internet forums instead of actually DOING SOMETHING against the alleged scammers, so that all the potential new investors are actually protected, if he really cares so much about them. So my ceterum censeo to all the Instamine warriors: GO TO THE FUCKING POLICE/SEC! Trying to silence me because I`m German still speaks for itself imho. Chapeau. PS: What does TBTP even mean and why does "it" want war?!?!? Edit: Oh, it "needs" war, sorry. I keep forgetting how his nic is spelled...TTPB, TBTP, TPTB.... I was hardly playing the "moral society card"--I was playing the "and you think you have room to talk" card, but maybe I misconstrued your criticism of The Powers That Be_need_war, and if that is the case, I'm sorry for taking you out of context and the harsh response. As for the scam accusations, depending on the TPTB to investigate and come to the right conclusion (if they investigate at all) turns a blind eye to the corruption, incompetence, unevenness these originations have displayed over the years, decades, and centuries--this is the main reason we are trying to create decentralized technologies that are antifragile enough that they can't interfere with information socities that want to govern themselves. My main criticism isn't the instamine of dash, it's that its enablers parrot Satoshi's name and decentralization and other cryptoanarchist's views while managing to creep more and more centralization into their model. That's a huge problem for me, and if you knew TPTB_need_war from his economic threads, you'd realize I'm the softer, gentler (less idealistic) side of the movement, so it's an even bigger problem for him. He's a pit bull and anyone who cares about decentralizing society from the grasping hands of the sociopaths who currently run the world is glad to have him here and fighting the good fight. I'm sorry my political views force me to be critical of your investment, but I'm hardly changing them because they inconvenience you or any other investor. |
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Good morning all. A big thank you goes out to the patient readers of this thread, in particular I would like to thank the newbie accounts for coming forward on the side of progress, optimism and decentralized technology. The narrative about Dash on BCT has been controlled by the school-boy bullies for the last two years, and they don't want to give up this control so easily. But make no mistake, Dash will define itself, just do your own research with the wealth of information the team has given you here. It's genuinely appreciated. The school-yard bullies don't define Dash. We define ourselves. I won't be around much today, very busy schedule. I'd love to hear from more readers. Respectfully, Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder) www.dash.orgwww.rebelmouse.com/dashnation https://dashtalk.orgwww.dashndrink.comAgain, "bullies" and "decentralized?" You need to fact check your statements as I'm just a critic (who happens to be right, at least in regard to X11's flawed nature, the instamine, and dash's centralization) and your coin has no right calling itself decentralized as there was a huge instamine and those coins are likely positioned in masternodes collecting more coins to add to dash's centralization. See how I use facts and common sense to station my narrative? You should try it someday. |
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In german law there is the concept of "unterlassene Hilfeleistung", "failure to render assistance". You areI am culpable of not doing everything in yourmy power to save those poor new investors, which makes youme a culprit/co-conspirator as well. Up to 5 years in prison in Germany, don`t take that lightly ("Nichtanzeige geplanter Straftaten"; § 138 of german penal law).
ftfy I don't live in Germany. We have no such law in the USA. Do you enjoy incriminating yourself. Poor USA. How can the "society" turn a blind eye on the vicious people witnessing severe crimes without helping? I can`t see the crimes, so I have no reason to go to the police and I am confident that a judge would believe me. But you and smooth are sooooooooooooooooooooooooo sure about ongoing crimes you are witnessing for 2 years and you STILL do nothing to stop it. GO. TO. THE. POLICE. Fast. Wow, a German telling Americans that what they shouldn't turn a blind eye to--just f'ing wow. Anyways we do have good Samaritan laws in some states, but AFAIK they don't apply to SEC or FinCen, just violent behavior. Though I think some people have contacted authorities concerning Evan's actions, so an investigation could be ongoing. I'm gonna go watch Schindler's List and count how many international laws were broken while the populous sat on their hands--or do we act like those things didn't happen because they are more than a year in the past? |
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btw, you seem to forgot to add how monero has infinite supply. profit for everyone YAYyy  EDIT : did the monero wrote that fact about infinite supply  if i was an investard in monero i would feel cheated if it isnt The tail emissions fixes a problem, a problem you apparently don't understand, but nice try. what problem is it the problem of rising prices LOL the mining in the end should be paid by tx fee alone, not eternal infinite coin supply yet they didnt announce in their monero ann about the eternal infinite coin supply shhh... whatever, maybe i ll just invest in some aeon instead... i hope they have finite coin supply instead. im sure they are better than monero, afterall if you fork some broken coin it become better... ritee bro ? Other coin developers have theorized that tx is enough--Monero Devs figured differently. It was discussed a lot within the community and does not in any way break the social contract, so have fun finding out that tx probably isn't enough for yourself. OMG within the community, yet they didnt explain the fact to those newbie investor noob investor like me would assume that crypto coin has finite supply... in fact i myself just aware of the fact that monero has infinite eternal coin supply From Monero's ANN page: "Specifications •PoW algorithm: CryptoNight [1] •Max supply: Infinite (see note below) [2] •Block reward: Smoothly varying [3] •Block time: 60 seconds •Difficulty: Retargets at every block [1] CPU + GPU mining (about 1:1 performance for now). Memory-bound by design using AES encryption and several SHA-3 candidates. [2] Initial number of atomic units is M = 264 - 1. However, once the block reward reaches 0.3 XMR (sometime in 2022) that is treated as the minimum subsidy, which means that Monero's total emission will forever increase by ~157783.68 XMR annually. [3] Uses a recurrence relation. Block reward = (M - A) * 2-20 * 10-12, where A = current circulation. Roughly 86% mined in 4 years (see graph)." I suppose the Devs should come over to your house and read the ANN to you after they tuck you into bed, little tiger? |
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btw, you seem to forgot to add how monero has infinite supply. profit for everyone YAYyy EDIT : did the monero wrote that fact about infinite supply if i was an investard in monero i would feel cheated if it isnt The tail emissions fixes a problem, a problem you apparently don't understand, but nice try. what problem is it the problem of rising prices LOL the mining in the end should be paid by tx fee alone, not eternal infinite coin supply yet they didnt announce in their monero ann about the eternal infinite coin supply shhh... whatever, maybe i ll just invest in some aeon instead... i hope they have finite coin supply instead. im sure they are better than monero, afterall if you fork some broken coin it become better... ritee bro ? Other coin developers have theorized that tx is enough--Monero Devs figured differently. It was discussed a lot within the community and does not in any way break the social contract, so have fun finding out that tx probably isn't enough for yourself. |
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btw, you seem to forgot to add how monero has infinite supply. profit for everyone YAYyy EDIT : did the monero wrote that fact about infinite supply if i was an investard in monero i would feel cheated if it isnt The tail emissions fixes a problem, a problem you apparently don't understand, but nice try. |
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Dash will rise when the time comes  but i think i will not be that kind of mainstream like Etherium and Waves I don't how dash will rise, but I do know how it will land. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4wE_mx6HfEThe question then becomes is it just Evan's scam, or does he start revealing who else was mining (he was coordinating the instamine with) that day? |
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Here's how Monero has developed:
1. fork coin with messy code
2. fork it from stubborn developer who is bent on doing things his way
3. ignore pleas for GUI and keep fixing and developing messy code
4. develop things like openalias, a research group, a video game, a gambling site, a DB and confidential transactions (still no GUI)
5. run? (that doesn't make sense, but good luck trolls and dash fanboys in spinning that yarn to anyone with a brain)
1. why choose coin with messy code to fork LOOL 2. kick the scam dev in pirates style... ARrrrghhh 3. RIP investard 4. AEON ? 5. it should be profit then then run 1. is the only valid question, so I'll answer it--because that messy code was the only one available using ring-signatures, which allows for end-to-end privacy. |
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Why are all the Monero guys in here talking about DASH? This thread is about the questionable XMR launch. Let's stay on topic.
So the fastmine/high initial emission of XMR, combined with the refusal to create an official GUI wallet for easy public use does seem very scammy.
Also, the Monero devs claim they didn't know about the scam miner they were pushing off on the public. If that is true, what other parts of their copy/paste coin do they not understand?
It's one thing for novices to copy (well known) bitcoin, but copying something like bytecoin that is brand new, a scam, and includes fraudulent code is pretty irresponsible.
Smooth or one of the other Devs can talk about what happened at the launch, but the lack of GUI is one of the least scammy things ever--who builds a scam an makes it only appeal to those who understand opensource or are comfortable with line command? That would immediately put your coin under the scrutiny to those most knowledgeable about coding, as they are the people most comfortable with line command--so not exactly a wise move if you're trying to scam people--kind of like making a wine and only selling it at wine competitions (if it's lousy, it's going to be apparent all the more quickly, and vocally so). The first thing every scam ever does is put out some bitcoin wallet, slap their name on it and say "Look how cool our wallet is? We must be legitimate, right?" The Monero Devs are wise to build the coin, then the wallet, and then market it. The reason to make it harder to use (by not having an official GUI) is to keep the coins for insiders, and wait to release the official GUI until after coin emission has drastically slowed, which is exactly what is happening. Is it? Because last time I checked there was a online wallet and most of the people who aren't comfortable with command line just keep there's on Polo. oh great, a centralized web wallet, what could go wrong. lol I already answered this also: So your like the cryptocurrency safety police? Maybe, like experimental planes and other technologies, only those with a willingness to learn or who have the ability to understand the ins and outs of the technology should be using the new technology. Maybe instead of pushing out some wallet borrowed from another coin and slapping your name on it, the developers should make sure the coin works as advertised and there aren't hidden things like faulty algos or weird emissions or privacy concerns or OSPEC concerns, BEFORE they say they are going to change the world and go full infomercial with their untested and unreviewed crapcoin-- I mean for the sake of safety. |
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Mastermine has reading difficulties, so he missed why I though his narrative was so f'ing stupid.
Is it? Because last time I checked there was a online wallet and most of the people who aren't comfortable with command line just keep there's on Polo.
last time i checked people from your own community are advising against keeping large amounts on that webwallet and in general it is considered unsafe to keep your coins longterm on an exchange. And they're right--they also advise using one of the many GUIs and wallet generators too--doesn't mean that people are likely to follow that advice. I'd advice learning line command, boning up on cryptosystems and how they should be built and becoming an early adopter not a reactive speculator, but do you think people will listen to me? So this is your narrative: that Monero has eschewed the pressure to build an official GUI over many, many months only to keep out those people who are demanding an official GUI before they can validate Monero as an investment--sorry to say I don't believe this is the case, but if it were, I'd tell those people they are pricing-in their demand. It's kind of like blaming Oculus Rift for their beta kits being cheaper than the for-consumer model--though for all anyone knows Monero won't budge when the official GUI hits and those people can see the consumer model in all its glory for the same price it is today (or even less, who knows?). |
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Why are all the Monero guys in here talking about DASH? This thread is about the questionable XMR launch. Let's stay on topic.
So the fastmine/high initial emission of XMR, combined with the refusal to create an official GUI wallet for easy public use does seem very scammy.
Also, the Monero devs claim they didn't know about the scam miner they were pushing off on the public. If that is true, what other parts of their copy/paste coin do they not understand?
It's one thing for novices to copy (well known) bitcoin, but copying something like bytecoin that is brand new, a scam, and includes fraudulent code is pretty irresponsible.
Smooth or one of the other Devs can talk about what happened at the launch, but the lack of GUI is one of the least scammy things ever--who builds a scam an makes it only appeal to those who understand opensource or are comfortable with line command? That would immediately put your coin under the scrutiny to those most knowledgeable about coding, as they are the people most comfortable with line command--so not exactly a wise move if you're trying to scam people--kind of like making a wine and only selling it at wine competitions (if it's lousy, it's going to be apparent all the more quickly, and vocally so). The first thing every scam ever does is put out some bitcoin wallet, slap their name on it and say "Look how cool our wallet is? We must be legitimate, right?" The Monero Devs are wise to build the coin, then the wallet, and then market it. The reason to make it harder to use (by not having an official GUI) is to keep the coins for insiders, and wait to release the official GUI until after coin emission has drastically slowed, which is exactly what is happening. Is it? Because last time I checked there was a online wallet and most of the people who aren't comfortable with command line just keep there's on Polo. last time i checked people from your own community are advising against keeping large amounts on that webwallet and in general it is considered unsafe to keep your coins longterm on an exchange. And they're right--they also advise using one of the many GUIs and wallet generators too--doesn't mean that people are likely to follow that advice. I'd advice learning line command, boning up on cryptosystems and how they should be built and becoming an early adopter not a reactive speculator, but do you think people will listen to me? So this is your narrative: that Monero has eschewed the pressure to build an official GUI over many, many months only to keep out those people who are demanding an official GUI before they can validate Monero as an investment--sorry to say I don't believe this is the case, but if it were, I'd tell those people they are pricing-in their demand. It's kind of like blaming Oculus Rift for their beta kits being cheaper than the for-consumer model--though for all anyone knows Monero won't budge when the official GUI hits and those people can see the consumer model in all its glory for the same price it is today (or even less, who knows?). My narrative is very simple, developing an officially supported GUI wallet seems to have been a low priority for Monero for a long time. From a safety point of view thats questionable as people who are not familiar with cli wallets start to look for and use less safe alternatives. Thats pretty much all my narrative at the moment. So your like the cryptocurrency safety police? Maybe, like experimental planes and other technologies, only those with a willingness to learn or who have the ability to understand the ins and outs of the technology should be using the new technology. Maybe instead of pushing out some wallet borrowed from another coin and slapping your name on it, the developers should make sure the coin works as advertised and there aren't hidden things like faulty algos or weird emissions or privacy concerns or OSPEC concerns, BEFORE they say they are going to change the world and go full infomercial with their untested and unreviewed crapcoin-- I mean for the sake of safety. |
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Dashholders check in but they never check out.
I checked out. It is certainly true that receiving masternode payments, voting on budget proposals through you masternode and working towards your next masternode can all become very addictive. Dashholders seem to make more longterm goals for themselves. Long term goals like keep on layering crap onto the paynodes until you've slowly built ripple 2.0 through a process of buzzwords and shoddy development? Yeah, sounds about right--a prison for greater fools. |
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