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1361  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The danger I see with Dash on: March 12, 2017, 07:30:28 PM

Nah, journalists are too stupid to even understand what that means.  They even sell bitcoin as an anonymous coin.  DASH is a centralized coin with low liquidity in the hands of a single guy, mimicking as a great distributed crypto currency, improved over bitcoin (not difficult), and know what ?  That propaganda works as hell.  People love to fall for this kind of stuff.  What is even greater, is that DASH can pose as a coin that used to be criminal, and now has seen the light and is on the side of the nice guys ; redemption.   Only a small and insignificant number of smart people know how fake it is, but they don't matter.

The BIG problem for DASH is something totally different: it is an illegal security that doesn't pass the Howey test.

If I were Evan, I would cash out before, flee to an exotic place, change name and live a rich-man's life in anonymity.
(hence, not use DASH, with its fake anonymity Smiley )

https://www.sec.gov/about/offices/owb/owb-tips.shtml
  


Here's ammo. The form takes about 5 minutes to fill out, but requires a lawyer's contact info (but there is a reward for those that dashtards claim are butthurt). Evan Duffield is located in AZ, but couldn't find a street address. His email is evan@dash.org

What's bad for dash is they need to make evidence to gain more noobs--this cluster of shillocracy took about 10 minutes to gather. The ROI investment sheets are likely the most damning.

https://dash-news.de/dashtv/

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=24019061

https://web.archive.org/web/20170312191741/https://www.node40.com/2016/05/19/dash-masternode-financial-reports-preview.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20160520195030/http://dashpaymagazine.com/index.php/2016/05/19/dash-masternodes-study-rising-crypto-bonds-future/

https://imgur.com/kHW81Vc

http://dashdetailed.com/2017/01/25/happy-birthday-mr-juggernaut/
 


1362  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The danger I see with Dash on: March 12, 2017, 05:30:42 PM
Dash is the most fudded coin in the history of cryptocurrencies. Yet those who had the vision to hold all these years despite the massive fudding are now rich. Deal with it. No amount of fudding will do a damn thing. You're all free to spend your energy however you wish though, and I know being angry is an endless source of energy. The only thing that could make Dash crash and burn is if a massive flaw would be found, even a flaw in the anonymity wouldn't matter much if at all, it would have to be something akin to the InstantX or the whole network being stalled beyond repair.

Actually Bitcoin is the most FUDded coin in cryptocurrencies, and most of dash's criticisms are well earned technical issues, so do not count as FUD, just plain old criticism.

Actually most of Dash's criticism is about the alleged distribution and what bad things that might cause i.e. FUD.

LOL! Right ?!? I mean there's no way that a instamine could create undo centralization on a staking system--that's cray-cray.
1363  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The danger I see with Dash on: March 12, 2017, 05:09:47 PM
Dash is the most fudded coin in the history of cryptocurrencies. Yet those who had the vision to hold all these years despite the massive fudding are now rich. Deal with it. No amount of fudding will do a damn thing. You're all free to spend your energy however you wish though, and I know being angry is an endless source of energy. The only thing that could make Dash crash and burn is if a massive flaw would be found, even a flaw in the anonymity wouldn't matter much if at all, it would have to be something akin to the InstantX or the whole network being stalled beyond repair.

Actually Bitcoin is the most FUDded coin in cryptocurrencies, and most of dash's criticisms are well earned technical issues, so do not count as FUD, just plain old criticism.
1364  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The danger I see with Dash on: March 12, 2017, 03:34:35 PM
Good for you!  But no, I have no shortage of logic, I've just learned to recognise when it isn't appreciated.  "Pearls before swine" my friend calls it and it's the reason I don't post on Facebook.  Life is too short to spend time arguing with people on the internet just because they're wrong, so as soon as I realise that somebody's mind is already closed to my input I'm out of there.  It makes for a better quality of life.  Have a good day, Sir!

1365  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The danger I see with Dash on: March 12, 2017, 02:38:40 PM
So you don't *know* anything either then.  Everybody has had plenty of opportunities to buy masternodes while they were affordable, including me.  I missed that opportunity too but, unlike most of the moaners on this thread, I'm not getting all bitter and venomous about it.  I believe Dash is the future and I'm happy to be a part of it.

I clearly don't belong on this thread then so I'll leave you to it.  Please resume your butthurt bitching at your leisure.

This is a pretty common response when logic fails--so much so that I made an ad hoc post replying to it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1430839.0
1366  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The danger I see with Dash on: March 12, 2017, 02:18:42 PM

Just what is the highest price point of dash if you know what you are talking?
I'm interested to know because I plan to hold mine for as long as I could. I consider this as a huge investment, later I will also be joining setting up masternodes with what I have. If the highest point mean $1000, its going to be excellente.

What's the highest price point of bitcoin?  Once we know that we can start estimating the potential future price of Dash from there.






1000 or ~$70,000 to do what Evan did for pennies and likely more than a 1000X.


Funny thing how dedicated developers remain to the success of their projects when they have a real stake.  Evan does not have 1,000 masternodes, but however many he does have are well deserved.

You can't know this unless Evan provided proof or you are Evan--I doubt either.

True, I don't *know* but I am surmising using common sense and public knowledge.  It's said that Otoh held the highest number of masternodes at around 450, but he has since sold most of those.

Common sense would be to sell when it is most profitable, so assuming Evan sold most of his masternodes, or didn't buy them when they were cheapest with his instamine stash, is what would defy common sense.
1367  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The danger I see with Dash on: March 12, 2017, 02:13:40 PM




1000 or ~$70,000 to do what Evan did for pennies and likely more than a 1000X.


Funny thing how dedicated developers remain to the success of their projects when they have a real stake.  Evan does not have 1,000 masternodes, but however many he does have are well deserved.

You can't know this unless Evan provided proof or you are Evan--I doubt either.
1368  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The danger I see with Dash on: March 12, 2017, 01:59:20 PM
I can tell you people will be burnt by this whole Dash thing, all of these Altcoin will wnat to have the problem Bitcoin is having now. Dash, this is a token that is not been used for any transaction, most of the volume are on exchanges. I can tell you if Dash has the amount of transaction Bitcoin has it will have Bitcoin problem. The token looks to me as a brand rather than Currency which is designed to be, another thing to consider is that most of the tokens are locked in Masternode, a POS token so their is price manipulation already

Proof of service, not proof of stake. The masternodes work just like miners do.

I heard you needed 4500 dash to put up a masternode however....is that incorrect? (damn tough mining) (I could have misread?)




1000 or ~$70,000 to do what Evan did for pennies and likely more than a 1000X.
1369  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The danger I see with Dash on: March 12, 2017, 12:59:01 PM
Three years in existence and there is still debate about the instamine .. (lots of hand waving....)

Does the market care ? No

Do customers care ? No

Are customers mislead about it somehow ? No

(more hand waving...)
Yes, as you've pointed out, your are marketing dash as "no premine, fairly distributed." Most rational people would view the result of a premine as the same as an instamine

There is a difference between a premine and an instamine and as long as that difference is either overlooked or incorrectly used those people will be behaving like noobs.

noob : a person who is inexperienced in a particular sphere or activity, especially computing or the use of the Internet.

Personally i dont have a problem with noobs, i just dont think very highly of them. And lets face it, there is little point discussing something with a noob unless you want to educate
that noob. I dont have the time, energy or desire to do that.



I do have the time to educate noobs. So when someone ignores the word "result" in a sentence, the result is usually a faulty reading of that sentence.
1370  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The danger I see with Dash on: March 12, 2017, 12:32:05 PM
Three years in existence and there is still debate about the instamine .. (lots of hand waving....)

Does the market care ? No

Do customers care ? No

Are customers mislead about it somehow ? No

(more hand waving...)

Yes, or else why address it--

Who are these customers? If you are selling a service, and under false pretenses, then yes, they should care--though greed is a common cause of cognitive dissonance.

Yes, as you've pointed out, your are marketing dash as "no premine, fairly distributed." Most rational people would view the result of a premine as the same as an instamine (frontloading distribution), so the effect on a staking system is equal no matter how you want nitpick over what it is called. So the logic is:

If a premine is unfair distribution,
and an instamine creates the same distribution,
then an instamine is also unfair.

It's a simple syllogism most people can understand.
1371  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash numbers on: March 12, 2017, 11:48:05 AM
10% of the block reward goes directly to the Dash general treasury. This equals $10,000+ per day. Another 45% goes to large holders of Dash called masternodes who provide a mixing service representing about 2% of the total transactions on the network.

45% goes to the masternodes and another 10% to the general treasury, of which distribution is voted on by the masternodes, so totaling 55%. How is this not centralization?

I don't like Dash and I believe this is a perfected scam with good money available for marketing purpose, but one thing I'm tired of is the hypocrisy on people's part, do you want to tell me you will have at least 1000Dash tokens today and be calling it scam. I know soon Monero to would be pumped to reach parity with Dash price this is the market we are now.

One thing most people don't understand is that most of the tokens are locked up in Masternode and that create artificial scarcity in the market.

Why would you own 1000 of something you think is a scam? At that point you are only betting on when others will figure it out.
1372  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash numbers on: March 12, 2017, 11:03:03 AM
10% of the block reward goes directly to the Dash general treasury. This equals $10,000+ per day. Another 45% goes to large holders of Dash called masternodes who provide a mixing service representing about 2% of the total transactions on the network.

45% goes to the masternodes and another 10% to the general treasury, of which distribution is voted on by the masternodes, so totaling 55%. How is this not centralization?

Because MASTERnode payouts are directly proportional to hand-wavy-ness Roll Eyes
1373  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto Kingdom - 1991 Retro Virtual World(City) on: March 12, 2017, 10:44:57 AM
since it is patently obvious nobody would write to the thread even if offered a 1,000,000 for it, as we just saw Friday, and my phones departed me long ago, so that I could concentrate on the matters important to myself.
I'm mostly waiting for the game to hopefully resume in 1666.
Also most people are reactive. Not much in the last few post for joe average to react to.

So let's change the subject:

If we used the same mechanism for the ck asset to guarantee virtual property rights by use of a blockchain token, would you use it? And if so, what items would you likely use it for?

1374  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The danger I see with Dash on: March 12, 2017, 10:38:46 AM
If you claim a Dash instamine without evidence, I'm going to dismiss you as a child. Adults should not make assumptions like that. They have a reasonable and probable explanation of what happened and no one can provide concrete evidence to refute. Besides, if he did take a share so freaking what I'm ok with ZEC doing it. They did create it after all. So stop with the BS, getting tired of hearing it. You lost, Dash won just face it.

and we mute.

So thesavoyard can't find proof of the instamine by looking at dash's first hours of blockchain, then says that it was like they said, then says even if it happened it's all right, and then that dash has won.

Let me pile drive those moving targets in order:

1. You can look on the blockchain for your evidence of an instamine.

2. Evan had just relaunched the coin less than 24 hours earlier and chose not to do it again after he and his cohorts minted almost 2million coins in a day--so the precedent to roll back an error was there, just not the will.

3. They can have an ICO event, just don't advertise it as an accident--especially if you are going cut the emissions and add a staking mechanism to exasperate your stash.

4. Onecoin
1375  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A pen&paper-ish roleplaying game on the blockchain? on: March 11, 2017, 11:22:00 PM
As has been said before, this system should specifically NOT be monetized.

I understand, that you'd need to have some means to prevent spam, since there are no real-world transaction fees.

I would think of something like this:

You basically have a modified PoS System, in which players confirm new entries in the blockchain. In exchange, they earn points that CAN NOT be transferred to other addresses, that are bound to the address that staked them. These points earn the player the right to send information.


Decentralizing "all the things" doesn't work well in a complicated game environment as you are creating time and tx expense for the players by using a consensus model--even simple card games suffer lag due to a blockchain. You either need to offload it onto centralized exchange(s) or accept that your game is expensive and slow, or parcel the "goods" onto a blockchain and have players eject and insert their valuables as desired onto centralized servers.

IMO, the latter being preferable as you gain decentralization for those that worry about losing their "goods" to the whims or negligence of centralized controller, and you decrease lag and tx expense for those who want to play in a convenient and inexpensive manner.

You are right about the lag on "real time" games. But in this case; a pen and paper roleplaying game, points do not change that often and if they do, it is does not slow down the game if they need a few minutes to be confirmed. In fact, the way this would probably go is that adventures are played out off-chain and when an adventure ends or is paused, eventual point changes are sent. Point changes have o be confirmed by all involved players and the master.

I realize, that this holds abusive potential, because a group can collude to have a best possible outcome, but keep in mind, that this is supposed to be a game and it is supposed to be fun. If players are deemed cheaters by a majority of players, they may decide to ignore them, block them of there may be a built-in hardfork feature.

Additionally, I would assume that this game would use an invitation system, in which new accounts can only be created if existing accounts vouch for them.

TBH, you really don't need a blockchain to create a reputation based game if there is no monetary incentive --a google spread sheet with permission only access would be far easier and cheaper.
1376  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: SPOETNIK says dash is an ULTRA SCAMMY coin! but now wants to defend it??? why??? on: March 11, 2017, 05:20:25 PM
@cryptohunter, since you are so sure about your double-standard argument, I wanted to point out how deceptive reality can be:

@AndreaF does have a point. All crypto is power-law distributed. Somebody has access to more bots than most of us. And since he doesn't exist  Wink, he doesn't need to waste money on PR to overcome the negative PR of his non-existence.

Choose your poison, the Evan Duckfleecer or the Moanero Bot Singularity.

Yeah, but we all know Artificial Intelligence only gets smarter,  whereas dashtards, well--
1377  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: A pen&paper-ish roleplaying game on the blockchain? on: March 11, 2017, 04:57:13 AM
This is a really interesting concept, but I think the major roadblock comes from the question of where earnable assets (money, experience, etc.) come from. You can't give full reign to "masters" or you now have a centralized system. There's no real way to hand these out in an automatic and provably fair manner, unless there is some automated master that acts the same for all players? But now you run into the question of what makes this different from a regular rpg. Beyond this, how would assets be assigned value? If players buy everything with Bitcoin, it ruins the concept. But if there is no Bitcoin value pegged to it, what's the point of having a crypto?

It's a really cool idea but I think a lot of questions must first be answered, and I don't know if everything has an answer.

Decentralizing "all the things" doesn't work well in a complicated game environment as you are creating time and tx expense for the players by using a consensus model--even simple card games suffer lag due to a blockchain. You either need to offload it onto centralized exchange(s) or accept that your game is expensive and slow, or parcel the "goods" onto a blockchain and have players eject and insert their valuables as desired onto centralized servers.

IMO, the latter being preferable as you gain decentralization for those that worry about losing their "goods" to the whims or negligence of centralized controller, and you decrease lag and tx expense for those who want to play in a convenient and inexpensive manner.
1378  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: SPOETNIK says dash is an ULTRA SCAMMY coin! but now wants to defend it??? why??? on: March 10, 2017, 09:05:48 PM
Spoet is lovin Dash just to piss off Monero shills.  Grin

You can't protect and be a cheerleader for a scam to piss other shills off. Does not work like that. You are either against scams or not.

He does not need to go on every anti dash thread and challenge anyone xmr shills or not. He is simply using this as an excuse.

He tries to criticise anyone on anti dash threads for any number of reasons, and will not confirm he believes dash is a scam.

Why not?

Hmmmm??? It's almost as if someone is paying him for his services...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236914.0

1379  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash Sucks Dicks Dash Is Instamine on: March 10, 2017, 04:53:24 PM
Naah, just kidding...

Dash team answered about instamine:

https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/OC/Dash+Instamine+Issue+Clarification

what about the coin that were swapped from darkcoin? if they were swapped 1:1 that is like instamining, because when dash was rleased the dev instamined a shit load of coin like 1 million but i could be wrong here

Yeah, they just changed the name for xcoin to darkcoin to dash. The crappy parts remain unchanged.
1380  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Dash Sucks Dicks Dash Is Instamine on: March 10, 2017, 01:41:50 AM
Arguing over what is bad ?
How about that ideology you love to spout off Troll's ?
Does that include sugar daddy Risto and his centralized control of Monero ?
How about handing your ID to Poloniex to buy anon coins ?
Should i go on ?

I get a kick out of how you choose to exercise your morality.
You all randomly take it out for a walk around the play-pen like hypocritical babies.

When Monero idiots live in a glass house they oughta STFU.
..or don't (you're the ones lookin' like idiots here not me)  Cheesy

Anyone can see the Monero cult idiots are bitter that Dash is $50 a coin.
Hence the massive attacks that keep coming the more the price rises.

Monero tard's don't you have anything better to do with your time ?
Worried about coin prices huh ?
Well maybe you should spend less time here making accounts trolling and get your Dark Market coin adopted ?
Don't be mad at Dash for doing work when you all do fuck all but hang out here whining for years like hypocrites.


xmr is seperate issue........make your own xmr threads.

this is a dash thread.


wow that is pretty nasty and the only negative i have focused on before was that it's a clone of Quark with another algo tacked on to it.
..sad it just looks wore and worse all the time for this ultra scammy coin !

that's what you said about dash so why defend dash using xmr as an excuse?

its a diversion nothing more.

You are making it too obvious that you're now a dash shill.

Is dash a scam yes or no?

answer that... then if you must talk about monero.

I will be posting your dash is an ultra scam quote on every dash thread I see you protecting it on.

After that if you persist I will make a thread to analyse your change of heart on this matter.

Don't continue shilling for dash else your credibility will be gone and you will simply be discredited and known as a dash shill.

All your previous good work will be lost.



Am I the only one who's enjoying Sputz "FUD first, ask questions later" policy on coins has backfired in dramatic fashion due to his shilling dash? Dude, Sputz, you REKT your own game--hope you are cashing out those dash as quickly as you get them or else you might die under the weight of that greater fool contraption you defend. My guess is the first rat out is lean enough to swim.
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