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2281  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Payment Address on Plastic "Credit Card" on: October 05, 2011, 07:09:03 PM
Nice!  I have something similar from a couple months ago, and indeed they are great for educating others.
2282  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Flexcoin Payments went out on: October 05, 2011, 07:07:07 PM
Received .07 btc!

I think you should rename them from "discount payments" to "dividend payments"... discount sounds like I'm losing something, whereas a dividend is easy to understand.
2283  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Paypal Strikes Again, This is an Opportunity for BTC to Prove its Value on: October 05, 2011, 06:25:25 PM
I simply LOATHE paypal. It's another CIA/NSA front to track each and every one of us, part of the surveillance state and the monopoly money masters.

Yeah that... or it's just a large successful company trying to earn revenue and mitigate losses.
An even more frightening prospect IMO.  Cheesy

Do you not do not exhibit the exact same behavior in your own affairs? Will you pay $5 for a sandwich if you can get the equivalent for $4?
2284  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Paypal Strikes Again, This is an Opportunity for BTC to Prove its Value on: October 05, 2011, 04:54:11 PM
I simply LOATHE paypal. It's another CIA/NSA front to track each and every one of us, part of the surveillance state and the monopoly money masters.

Yeah that... or it's just a large successful company trying to earn revenue and mitigate losses.
2285  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: E-Wallet better or not? on: October 05, 2011, 04:52:39 PM
The lesson I learned from the Mybitcoin scam was to never use another online wallet again.  It doesn't matter how secure the wallet is, there is nothing preventing the owner from walking away with all your money.  Remember, Bitcoin has absolutely no property rights. This is a huge downfall that will have to be addressed before widespread adoption can take place. Until then, secure your coins yourself.  The client isn't that hard to use and now has encrypted wallets.  And this forum is full of ways to securely back up wallets.


That's the wrong lesson to learn. The correct lesson is, "be careful." And another good lesson is, "don't store lots of money with someone you don't fully trust."

ewallets are fantastic for small amounts of bitcoins, but large piles of savings should be properly stored on your own backed up wallet.dat in multiple secure places.

It's important to remember that every place you store bitcoins has risk. Holding a wallet.dat has risk of user error/negligence, which can be worse than the risk of an ewallet provider running off with your money. And there are things preventing ewallet owners from stealing everyone's money, 1) long-term profit motive and 2) genuine good character (which is the majority of business owners).
2286  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: DONOR THREAD for #OccupyWallStreet Bitcoin Promotion on: October 05, 2011, 04:45:57 PM
Yifu - on the transparency page (looks great btw!) please mark my work as pro bono. I won't be requesting compensation.

My compensation will be if just one angry socialist discovers Bitcoin and comes to learn what free market really means  Wink
2287  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [BOUNTY] 1000 BTC for getting a major business to accept Bitcoin on: October 05, 2011, 04:38:32 PM
I doubt that any business with 100 millions USD of revenue would accept bitcoins right now. Do you realize how much a 1% shift in Bitcoin price (which happens everyday) would affect the company? Million dollar companies don't play the roulette with their revenues. Every dollar is accounted for.



It's important for people to understand that exchange rate risk has been virtually eliminated by at least one company, Bit-pay.com.  They are an ideal candidate to provide the merchant solution for any sizable business. They enable the business to receive the Bitcoins automatically converted into USD instantly.

Some might say, "well then what's the point of accepting btc at all?" And the answer of course is that this is a gradual process. We need to help companies step by step. Show them that bitcoins aren't scary. After they are used to the Bitcoin world, some will opt to keep a portion of earnings as Bitcoins. But again, this is is a gradual process.

Also, the most likely way someone can claim this bounty, is if someone has a personal/professional connection to a decision maker at a medium sized business. Who do you know? Who do they know? Set up a meeting and discuss. Describe the advantages of Bitcoins from a merchant perspective (no chargebacks, lower fees, acceptable from anyone anywhere - even Ivory Coast and Ukraine).

OP - thanks for setting up this ambitious bounty!
2288  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: THE CRYPTO-CURRENCY [New Yorker Magazine Article] on: October 04, 2011, 08:14:19 PM
It's indeed a very good article. The reporter is very talented and dedicated. He has good writing skills, and the "detective work" was well done.

Agreed, great article. Wonderful writing and narrative.
2289  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: OccupyLA on 10/1 !! We will be there in Bitcoin Attire! Financial Revolution! on: October 04, 2011, 08:08:55 PM
Yeah, Canada doesn't have a single national healthcare plan.  They have 13 different systems based on broad national requirements administered by each individual territory/province.  Their system isn't perfect, but I would say it works somewhat better than the current US system, at least in the area of controlling the kind of out-of-control price inflation we're seeing in the US.

Also, emergency room wait times suck in America as well, and people dying during the wait isn't completely unheard of.

The rapid price increases in America are very easy to explain, and in fact this was made clear to me on a recent doctor visit.

The problem is that the patient (customer) is not the one who pays for the service. There is a disconnect between customer and merchant. This disconnect enables the incentive of a company (hospital/doctor) to raise its prices to go unchecked. The doctor can prescribe anything, run any tests, and generally "over-service" the patient, because the patient wants "all the health he can get" and isn't paying the cost directly. For the most part, it's paid by the insurance provider or an employer via the insurance provider.

This singular dynamic is the primary reason healthcare costs in America seem "unrestrained." The incentive to reduce costs is gone, or almost gone.

I had understood this conceptually for a while, but on a recent doctor visit it was made terribly clear. I went to get a prescription. Before the doctor would prescribe the drug, he said I needed to take some blood tests and other types of analysis. It sounded a bit excessive, so I asked him, "How much will all that cost?"  You see, I cared about the cost, because I don't have insurance. I have to pay for the services I receive. The doctor said the tests would cost roughly $900-$1,200. I gasped! He looked surprised at my question, and asked, "don't you have insurance?" I said no. He looked more surprised, paused, and then said, well, I guess we don't need to run all these tests. He crossed some things out on the clipboard, and said, "okay, just these three tests are required. The cost will be about $350.

So I paid for those tests, and got the prescription.  If I had been a "normal client" with insurance to cover every expense, the cost of acquiring the services would be over a grand. But when the discipline of a price-conscious customer is added to the equation, the cost dropped to $350. Remember that when insurance companies pay your bills, their costs are distributed amongst all their policy holders. That is why insurance premiums keep rising - because doctors and hospitals have no incentive to control what they provide for a given demand.

This isn't the full story of why prices are rising, but it is a large portion of it. Insurance should not be paying for normal medical expenses. It should cover only catastrophic events, and people should get used to paying for the services and goods they demand. The overall price of health in the country would fall, or at least stabilize.

It is not a coincidence that those industries with the most government distortion are the industries in which prices are out of control (college, healthcare, war, etc.)

2290  Economy / Services / Re: Professional logo designs for 8 BTC (Proofs from Bitcoin community included) on: October 04, 2011, 06:20:25 PM
Do you do free or really cheap logos for non-profit movements?

Logos of his caliber for 8 BTC IS "really cheap."  That's an amazing deal and I hope everyone here takes advantage of that.

Zaise - are you still offering this?
2291  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [NPR] Did A Reporter Just Solve A Bitcoin Mystery? - Satoshi Found? on: October 04, 2011, 05:49:37 PM
Don't think so:

Quote
o Davis, the author of the New Yorker story, emails Clear.

"I like to keep a low profile," Clear replies. "I'm curious to know how you found me."

Davis eventually cuts to the chase:

Finally, I asked, "Are you Satoshi?"

He laughed, but didn't respond. There was an awkward silence.

^ awkward silence doesn't really work over email.

LOL

If you read the article, he was actually speaking with him face to face. He had emailed him to set up a meeting. So, an awkward silence at that meeting was quite possible =)
2292  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to spread Bitcoin? By "forced" donation - Starcraft 2 on: October 04, 2011, 04:57:30 PM
That's a fun idea. It's too bad one can't just give coins to random people by email address. Winners in Starcraft 2 tournaments for instance. They'd be forced to learn about it if they wanted to cash out on these mysterious gifts and then perhaps they'd get into the mood of getting more. Wink

You can give coins to random people by email address. Use BTCinch.com They're in beta, but PM me your email and I'll show you (goes for anyone who's curious).
2293  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: OccupyLA on 10/1 !! We will be there in Bitcoin Attire! Financial Revolution! on: October 04, 2011, 06:09:00 AM
All property can be traced back to the commons. No man is an island. It is not theft when you are expected to contribute to upkeep of the commons.

Try tracing any property "back to the commons" and you will find it is quite impossible to do. The chain of property ownership is flawed and fallible. Yet for the vast majority of property, there is no contention as to its owner. Nobody out there claims ownership of my computer, nor my car, nor any of the things I have. In those cases of a property dispute, that is a good role for courts.

And I have no interest in contributing to the upkeep of your commons. If it is of value to me, I'll pay for it voluntarily. What you advocate is the forced surrendering of the product of one's efforts, and I think that's immoral. For the same reason that slavery is wrong, partial slavery is wrong.

People can't choose how much property their families control when they are born. In biblical times, property rights only lasted 49 years. When Copyright was invented, works lapsed into the public domain after 14 years. Rampant privitization of the commons is theft in my opinion. Property rights have merit: even animals understand the concept of territory; but there has to be a happy medium.

In biblical times, they did lots of screwed up shit  Wink  It's fine if you want to say privatization of the commons is theft... indeed I don't know of one universal way by which "common" things rightly become private. We can dispute that. But once something is known and agreed to be private, without legitimate contention from another claimant, then it ought to be respected as such. And no, animals have a terrible understanding of private property. Animal behavior is more akin to socialism, where force is used to achieve various ends... and perhaps that makes sense in the animal world, where most resources are not produced, but instead taken from the earth. Humans produce their resources and as such have right to claim them privately.


In my opinion, the "happy medium" is reached when collective rights and individual rights are perfectly balanced. It is difficult to achieve, but it is the only way anarchy can work. I find "Anarcho-Capitalist" and "Anarcho-Communists" contradictions in terms.

I respect your opinion, and I won't use force on you to convince you otherwise. Sadly, you won't extend the same courtesy to me... if you disagree with me, you'll vote to plunder, whereas no matter how much I disagree with you, I will not plunder or encourage others to do so on my behalf.
2294  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: OccupyLA on 10/1 !! We will be there in Bitcoin Attire! Financial Revolution! on: October 04, 2011, 04:33:58 AM
Not really. It's more like, "I choose not to steal from or hurt you, and I hope you will afford me the same courtesy."

Or to put it in your terminology, "I won't fuck with you, please don't fuck with me."

Hoping someone won't steal from you and asking them to please not fuck with you doesn't seem to be working out for the bitcoin community very well, so far.

I've had much more stolen from me by the government... and of course the government theft will continue. At least with bitcoin, people can educate themselves and be prudent with whom they trust. A diligent person can be relatively safe with bitcoin. A diligent person has no such benefit when it comes to matters of the state, social engineering, and economic planning. 
2295  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: DONOR THREAD for #OccupyWallStreet Bitcoin Promotion on: October 04, 2011, 03:42:21 AM
I must have had the same idea as evoorhees, because I just finished prototyping some Java code to do pretty much what he specified in the original thread.

1) Create a few thousand instawallet.org pages/accounts. Record the URL's
2) Feed each account with, say, .01 bitcoin
3) Print cheap business cards or flyers with the instawallet URL address (one on each card)
4) Hand these out at the OccupyWallStreet protest.

It lets you...

Create up to N empty Instawallet addresses.
Fill them each with N bitcoins (from "master" Instawallet account, but could be from bitcoind).
Print out an 8.5" x 11" sheet with 12 business cards on it, each containing a little blurb, an Instawallet address, and the associated QR code.

Tomorrow, I'm getting 48 of them printed at Kinkos, which I funded with 0.5 BTC each.

Is there still interest in this?


YES YES YES!!!  Hey jump in IRC #operationbitcoin   That's where we've been organizing. Someone else is making a similar system to yours, and that's the ultimate goal.  Please join the discussion I'd love to see what you made!
2296  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: DONOR THREAD for #OccupyWallStreet Bitcoin Promotion on: October 04, 2011, 03:10:59 AM
Just got this from Yifu via Skype

seems like the goods have arrived.

And FYI - the QR code points here: operationbitcoin.org
2297  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How much do you have invested in bitcoins? on: October 04, 2011, 02:47:35 AM
Roughly $2,500 in coins themselves. Am buying more every month.

Don't invest any money you can't afford to lose. Bitcoins are wildly speculative. You should assume they will go to zero.
2298  Economy / Services / Re: Starcraft 2 Clan looking for sponsorship! on: October 04, 2011, 01:31:30 AM
Thanks for the proposition, I might throw a coin in if a group put a fund together.

What kind of amount are you look for for the sponsorships? If we were given a set price that might be more easily digested.
2299  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: OccupyLA on 10/1 !! We will be there in Bitcoin Attire! Financial Revolution! on: October 03, 2011, 08:25:52 PM
your arguments for freedom just boil down to a an argument for "fuck everyone who wasn't as lucky as me".


Not really. It's more like, "I choose not to steal from or hurt you, and I hope you will afford me the same courtesy."

Or to put it in your terminology, "I won't fuck with you, please don't fuck with me."

Amazing that it's such a radical position  Roll Eyes

2300  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [NPR] Did A Reporter Just Solve A Bitcoin Mystery? - Satoshi Found? on: October 03, 2011, 08:19:24 PM
Satoshi would not be first concerned about user encryption wallet, just like Gavin told at the NY conference.

He would be concerned about how to dump the rest of the coins on the market without anybody noticing Smiley Just like the 20k dump a week ago  Shocked

Whoever he is, he is LOADED  Angry !!!

We can tell which coins Satoshi mined in the beginning.  We can tell if they move. 

Whatever, he is still going to be LOADED when he cashes out. Even if he only does 1000 BTC at a time etc. and transfers it to different addresses to obfuscate the laundering etc.

For some people, "cashing out" happened when they got rid of their fiat currency for something better. For some people, there is little desire to exchange this valuable currency for the play-money of governments.
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