Just to do a quick reality check on the claimed 850GH of scrypt mining, take a look at today's coinwarz, which shows only 8 scrypt currencies that are more profitable to mine than LTC.

http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency?sort=profitusd&dir=desc

Even if scrypt.cc was providing the hashpower for the entirety of each of those 8 other coins, it would only add up to about 13GH

Now take a look at the LTC hashrate

https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/hashrate-ltc.html

scrypt.cc is basically claiming to be mining somewhere around 75% of the entire Litecoin network, something which doesn't exactly tally with: https://www.litecoinpool.org/pools

You're either an idiot or a shill.

The fact a ponzi scheme pays out is central to ensuring its longevity.

Scrypt.cc makes claims towards being a valid mining operation with 850GH of hashing power in multiple data centers, a multi-million-dollar operation, yet have refused to even show freshly mined coins being produced by them.

That and everything else which stinks about this fraudulent scheme.

You don't get to dismiss the fact that "if there is God, he wouldn't care much . . ." is *absolutely* stating a claim towards knowing WhatGodWants(tm). "he wouldn't care much . . ." - What else is that if it isn't you specifying a characteristic of your god?

- Again, you are asserting something you cannot possibly define. You are still claiming that a god that seeks worship will accept the worship of any god, but for you to claim such you would have to base your reasoning on particular scripture, entirely ignoring the fact that numerous religious texts are very clear on the dire need to *only* worship their specific god with their proscribed characteristics.

If you aren't citing scripture in order to assert WhatGodWants(tm) then you are simply pulling this claim out of your ass, which makes it equally arbitrary and fallacious because one can just as easily define a 'caring' god as one which cares only that those worshiping it are 'good' people as you can claim his 'caring' be only measured by requiring that people worship 'Him' through the worship of any god, even those whose claimed values are in direct conflict with each other. It is nonsensical.

Do you see, you can't claim to only be citing the logic of Pascal's Wager being based on a god who cares about being worshiped if you are also claiming *anything* more about that state of 'caring'. So the *only* additional 'data' (and I use that term in the loosest possible sense) claimed towards WhatGodWants(tm) in terms of expanding on the definition of what 'He' cares for, is that written in multiple 'Holy' texts and, as explained, much of it is in direct conflict with each other, which means that if a god can't be bothered to communicate clearly and unambiguously as to what he requires of us then he probably doesn't care about being worshiped and if you want to claim he *has* communicated such then you are back to citing conflicting scripture or arbitrary opinion, both of which are meaningless when seeking to construct a cohesive platform to build your argument on.


Yeah, funny how people who have their assertion exposed for the fallacious reasoning it is frequently cite how tired they are of those who successfully argue against their position.

The fact they refused from the very beginning to do anything which would prove they had the scrypt hashpower they claimed was more than enough proof that xscrypt.com is a scam.

Same as the bullshit excuses posted by the scam you are promoting in your signature space.

I had already referenced it as the typical arrogant theist declaration of 'knowing' WhatGodWants (WGW) which is ironic considering that intellectualised atheists generally are the first to be willing to state that they do not know something unless there is good reason or evidence to consider such yet are frequently accused as being arrogant by theists.

This is meaningless. By which metric do you consider faith as being 'the same'?


Do you see what you did there? You ascribe characteristics to a God by way of your definition of 'knowing' WhatGodWants(tm). Let's take a look at what you claim the basis for your 'knowledge':

So you spoke to a bunch of people who base their reality on 'knowing' WGW(tm) and decided that your reality was going to be defined by you asserting that WGW(tm) is for everybody to worship *any* god because then they would be worshipping 'Him' and would not be as evil as those terrible atheists who simply refuse to believe in gods of any kind.

You clearly understand very little of the extremely contradictory nature of the many gods people believe in. Extremely.

Simply declaring that a belief in any god is sufficient is to absolutely deny the reality of what that actually entails in terms of how each person then defines their morality and boundaries in life, which constitutes how they define themselves and their behaviour in this life. Take a look around you, it doesn't work the way you are claiming it does in terms of theism being the preferred method of defining 'good'.

Your logic is grossly flawed and your assertion is simply word-salad with no actual substance.

The only possible solution to Pascal's Wager, in terms of what you described as the 'optimum' choice, is the lack of belief and, by default, lack of worship, of any god.

You are the one declaring to know WGW in terms of your assertion that, according to you, Pascal's Wager is best settled by believing in God.

I merely pointed out that, according to the various 'Holy' scriptures which claim to document knowledge of WGW, it is far worse to worship another god than it is to not believe in them, leading to the correct conclusion that Pascal's Wager is actually better settled by not believing in any of them.

You, however, then claimed your personal experience led you to assert otherwise and I asked how come you lay claim to knowing WGW above your 'Holy' scripture which clearly states that worshiping another God is *the* single worst thing a human being can do, that's why it is Number 1 on the list of Ten.

"Thou shalt have no other Gods before Me"

Number 1 on the list. Number 1.

So it is pretty clear that worshiping another god is *the* worst thing above all else.

From your own experience? What is that meant to mean? We are talking about the opinion of gods, here, something only found in their respective 'Holy' scriptures, preferably dictated by illiterate goat-herders, then refined, edited and generally cherry-picked over hundreds of years to add to a collection of mismatched fables according to the goals of whichever Church was producing it, of course.

How come your experience matters? Citation please Mr God-Like.

That would be why, exactly? Social norms are dictated by human beings, refusing to pray would single you out as a potentially dangerous free-thinker and not likely to be controlled like the rest of the sheep. You have failed to make the connection to WhatGodWants(tm) and are only referencing cultural norms of the time, which is irrelevant in terms of Pascal's Wager.


Be honest, you don't want to answer this because you *know* your god is the 'right' one, amirite?!!! LOL.

Hahaha! Are you from the 18th Century or something?

BTW and FYI, your complaint is duly noted and ignored.

OR, now here's an idea you don't want to think about, how about publishing the LTC blockchain addresses of the litecoins earned from freshly mined blocks? Sure, I know you want to claim they are mining other alts but the realities are that very few alts pay more than directly mining litecoin and, even then, they simply do not have the network hashrate to support the idea that any part of this, claimed, massive ASIC farm is pointed in their direction, so the vast majority of that 850GH would actually need to be mining LTC. There is no excuse not to prove that blocks are being freshly mined with their hardware.

I know that's what you said, I just pointed out that it is false to claim that it is more 'optimal' to believe in a god than none, considering the actual fact that most 'holy' scripture for the many gods claimed to be real tend to *really* emphasize the fact that worshiping any other god is usually *the* worst sin you can commit against 'Him'.

Hence the logical response to that dilemma, which is to not believe in any of them.

You, however, insist that *your* god is real because you cited scripture from your particular 'Holy' book-of-choice and I asked you how I could trust that your god was the 'right' one, given that all the other religions claims their god is the right one and you all have exactly the same level of evidence supporting your claims towards your particular god being the coca-cola of gods. (just so you know, that 'evidence' is known as circular-reasoning because you all claim that your books say your god is real and your god wrote those books so, you know, he must be real because the books he wrote say he is real which means . . . do you see the problem there?)

 

Except one small point, given that this is just *your* god, the Muslim god and the Jewish god and all the others say pretty much the same thing about worshiping them, too, so who should I believe and why?

So with regards to "because God has made it plain to them", no, 'He' hasn't at all, clearly, otherwise we'd all know there was just the one god and we'd know exactly what he wants of us with no uncertainty or doubt or room for human interpretation, right? You know, human interpretation, like the process you go through when you read your religious scripture and it perfectly aligns with your own world-view, only, here's the problem, that very same scripture is also believed to say something different to pretty much everyone else who cites a level of 'understanding' which, too, happens to align perfectly with their personal world-view.

No *you're* a tool! LMAO! This is fun.

Anyhoo, I didn't say they all were run by the same gang, I said there was reasonable evidence that a group of cloud mining scams were all run by the same criminal gang.

It's a popular enterprise in this industry, although some of the new boys clearly are having a hard time getting started because now people are more inclined to demand proof of legitimacy from the operators before they accept their blanket claims of 'trustuswearenotponzi' pinky-pwomises.

By which authority do you cite such a thing?

Because, for example, worshiping a 'false idol' is very clearly described as being one of the worst possible sins you can commit.


So, I've produced the goods to prove that it is actually less of a 'sin' to not worship a god than it is to worship a different god.

Care to actually back up your smug yet uninformed position about 'sincere ignorance'?

BTW 'downright defiance'? Prove it, prove how an inability to believe in a god, due to their being no justifiable reason to do so, could be considered as being 'downright defiant'? You can't force yourself to believe once your brain sees the man behind the curtain, the logical fallacies, the special-pleading demands. etc.

Well, given previous profanity-peppered rants about how your beloved scrypt.cc doesn't need more customers because they've sold all their hashpower, followed up with your swing-and-a-miss justification for the continued use of referral bonuses, whereby you utterly failed to account for the fact that the function of the referral bonus is to get their current 'investors' to dupe more 'marks' into bringing fresh capital into the bottom of the scam, it doesn't surprise me to see you dismiss valid reason-based assertions as to the actual truth about these ponzi schemes with nothing more substantial than the equivalent of saying 'pffffft to you!'

Well done, ilic, superb response, bravo.

Fail.

Which God are you supposed to believe in? If you choose the wrong one, which would be a high probability given the many thousands and thousands of possible gods from historical myth and legend, you'd be punished more for worshiping a 'false idol' than you would for electing not to worship any of them. This we know from the numerous 'holy' scriptures that magically dictate WhatGodWants(tm), something which is conveniently in complete alignment with the person professing a claim to such knowledge.

God is generally a needy bastard who doesn't take kindly to his ignorant minions worshiping the wrong deity.

Well they can't keep their hatred of Russia out of their naming convention for starters!




The above shows that the triplet of users mentioned are active in various 'cloud mining' threads, both supporting the scam while abusing anybody who asks 'difficult' questions, as well as their frequent citing of cmmonitor.com as an 'independent' reviewer which, as was already discovered by the above user back in January, are anything but.

This is where I think many people in the community are failing to understand in terms of the size of these criminal gangs and the reach of their operations. Scrypt.cc alone has over 30,000 btc go through https://blockchain.info/address/1HWqsgnSd12Gv8SpoUMi1Cj8hp79BTSpW7 there is no reason to believe it is just this user 'Admin' who supposedly lives in Brazil and has multiple DC's with millions of dollars worth of scrypt ASIC miners but can't put together a decent website or cope with support tickets in any reasonable time frame or, for that matter, do *anything* to prove 'he' is even in possession of that much hashrate.

Multi-million-dollar scams have every reason, however, to make sure there are 'review' sites that their 'marks' can visit to see they are totallynotscamright?

The Ukrainian criminal gang who are also running cloudmining.website are the same ones running scrypt.cc and most likely a number of other ops, particularly those which were shorter-term in operation but featured on ccmonitor.com as 'paying' for a period of time until they folded. As I said, clever tactic, steal money with a short-term scam and then use the longer-running ops to 'prove' to the poor sucker they'd be better off investing in this totallynotascam scheme.

Your point is perfectly reasonable without needing to reduce it to arbitrary 'guesstimates' as to what might equate to 'enough' for a scammer. As you said, Bernie Madhoff never stopped even when he was in the billions so the idea that a scam isn't a scam because the perpetrators could have run off by now simply isn't reasonable.

As I've also pointed out, there's no evidence whatsoever that 'Admin' is even in Brazil and every reason to suspect that it is actually a group of Ukrainians running a number of ponzi schemes, from short-term take-the-money-and-run, to longer term hey-we're-still-here-so-you-know-totallynotscamlikethatotheronewhichstoleyourmoneyafterbeingopenforacoupleofmonths, to even promoting their own Ukraine-based totally-independent-third-party-review-site which is clearly part of the same criminal gang who mix in some ASIC-manufacturer-owned cloud mining services in with their ponzi 'cloud mining' sites in order to pretend they aren't what they clearly are.

SpanishSoldier, GermanGiant and RussianRainbow - The Ukrainians couldn't help themselves but give the Russian username a 'gay' reference.

*raises hand*

How do we *know* the site owner lives in Brazil?

I 'assume' it is because you 'assume' it to be true, just like you 'assume' evidence of the scam not ending yet is evidence of it not being a scam.

Do you even logic, brah?

Of course, I hadn't factored that in, silly me!

The fact that many users can't actually commit themselves to dumping their fictional 'KHS' 'holdings' because the market is so thin it would mean them having to dump into a far lower price than they are quite ready to yet, means the scammers can continue to operate with only a very small percentage of btc withdrawals having to be processed. It is almost like a self-limiting brake to the collapse of the scheme, in that only those who have already sold and hold a bitcoin balance on the numbers-on-the-screen display form the smaller section of the group that potentially could ask to withdraw their funds and, being the ever-profitable ponzi it is, a large chunk of those withdrawals, once processed and 'totally proven to not be a scam' will be sent straight back in to the scheme to 're-invest' because, you know, totallynotscamright?

So by ensuring that many users are less likely to even be in a position to withdraw a significant portion of the original funds they sent in, the dust amounts they 'earn' from these make-believe 'KHS' tokens will simply be automatically 're-invested' into their total holdings of the imaginary 'KHS'.

Don't forget kids, the same people flogging this scam are also frequently found to both be promoting other 'cloud mining' operations AND citing the Ukrainian 'independent third-party' review site cmmonitor.com because totallynotscamright?

Ask yourself this, even apart from the gaping wound in their side, which is the constant need for new 'investors' through the use of referral-link bonuses, even when apparently having nothing more to sell, why would a group of supposedly Brazilian-cloud-mining-operation shills also be vociferously attacking anybody who asks those 'awkward' questions in other 'cloud mining' threads, if they are not all part of the same criminal gang who are operating multiple levels of 'cloud mining' scam operations which also include the introduction of 'third party' website to prove they are totallynotscamright?

Oh yeah, also the fact that 'investors' in one scam op routinely receive marketing emails for other scam ops. Totally.Not.Scam.Right?