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1701  Other / Meta / Re: Admin/Mod/Staff - Please BAN this user on: March 05, 2016, 12:19:32 PM
See what the people of concern butthurt scammers who left untrusted feedback to him said

There, FIFY.

My favourite so far is the rating left by Nani275
Quote
This crazy man is angry, because I'm all their comments supporting evidence of transactions. And if I got paid honestly, I consider it my duty - to confirm this fact.

The impression is created that he is competing of another Ponzi))

This person does not consider it necessary to study the rules of games and forums, and then all the accused. He needs to learn to be read as a minimum. And not only write bad things.

He rushes through the branches, constantly writes spam - slogans in big red letters, and blames often unfounded. Trol - a prude. All he had tired of bitter radish worse.

It's disgusting. Fu. Enough Foresey, the same to me, "Messiah" ...

"All he had tired of bitter radish worse."

Beautiful. Simply beautiful. Thank you, Nani, I am deeply touched.

1702  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Mobstermaffia game on: March 05, 2016, 12:04:06 PM
This topic was definitely posted in the wrong category, but it was based on a user asking a question about the game, not by the developer or company that owns the game itself.
Because we never see scammers pretending to be 'innocent' users, right?

There is no investment involved
Which is why I said it shouldn't have been in this section, otherwise it is correctly assumed to require investment. Get it?

it just goes to show that you're willing to fire your guns at anything, even without researching it first.
You clearly have no idea how quickly scammers move when they post threads with multiple supporting socks posting 'innocent' participation posts. Seriously, the thread appeared here, I move to get the warning in quickly. But I also resolved the matter quickly, what more do you think I should be doing? If I spend too much time analysing a scam it risks gaining too much momentum.

as much as I can appreciate that you're looking out for the best interest of other people, WHO THE FUCK CARES?! It's THEIR money, not yours.
http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1382239.msg14068566#msg14068566 - It isn't about their money.

And stop false-flagging shit that doesn't even need to be false flagged.
Right, so I make one incorrect judgement out of how many and you imply I need to be stopped, as though it is a frequent and problematic issue? Look at the fucking timeline on this thread, how much faster do you think I should have been in addressing the issue of the true status of this game?

More importantly, rather than me simply ignoring the thread and assuming it was legit until someone else declares there's something fishy going on, I actually responded with a proper evaluation for the OP and everyone else concerned. I think you'll find my actions have actually contributed more to answer the OP's questions than anyone else did.



1703  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Mobstermaffia game on: March 05, 2016, 11:51:15 AM
Site T&C's reviewed

According to what is understood to be the nature of this game, it is not an 'investor-based' game at all. It appears to simply be a game which offers in-game purchase of tokens which allow the players to advance to higher levels faster, much like most games of this genre do these days.

The 25% commission for referrals appears to be nothing more than a generous way to reward participants for encouraging more people to play and purchase in-game items.

The prizes being offered for each 'round' appear to be static rewards offered by the game company as an incentive to play and, in order to win, purchase in-game items.

Following this review I am of the opinion that this thread is in the wrong forum section and, more importantly, the game operates on a legitimate principal.



I request the those of you who quoted my warning in this thread, please remove it to avoid any confusion for other users.
1704  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Mobstermaffia game on: March 05, 2016, 11:38:22 AM
Can i help you with the translate? You want to read a particularly piece?

I normally like to read the whole thing, to be honest, but I am particularly needing to read any section which relates to both the idea of users sending in money and how the company states they distribute 'winnings' back to the users.

http://www.mobstermaffia.com/legal/terms_nl.pdf

As I mentioned already, I'd like to understand where this 25% referral scheme fits in if it isn't based on taking 25% of new referred-user deposits and giving them to the referrer, which is normally a massive red flag for scam.

[edit] LOL! Just spotted the 'terms_nl' part, it isn't German, it's Dutch! That'll explain why translate failed. Ok, I've got a better version to read through now.

1705  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Mobstermaffia game on: March 05, 2016, 11:32:04 AM
I did ask like a sane person. Do my words confuse you?

Look up, we are in the Investor-based games section, this is where threads are put when a 'service' requires users to send it money as part of their participation process.

Recently there have been a number of interactive 'games' which were still based on the ponzi principal on the backend

So, if this thread appears here, signifying that yes, it does indeed require 'investors' to send in money and also has a similar 'game' theme as other known scams, exactly how am I wrong to assume it to be simply a variation on the same?

1706  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Mobstermaffia game on: March 05, 2016, 11:25:46 AM
Yes, if it does not, as some have claimed have a structure which is preponderantly the act of encouraging other people to send money in so that earlier 'players' are paid a share of those funds, then it isn't necessarily a scam.

That's why I am asking about that 25% referral because I don't see what it relates to. The T&C's of that site are in German and google translate utterly failed to do a usable translation on it for me.
1707  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: 150btc.club 150 ROI 30% per day for 5 days on: March 05, 2016, 11:19:40 AM
Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!


Please stop spamming in all threads. We all well aware of the risks associated with HYIP.

Agree with that. it is gambling-investment. What they do is spamming what i guess is against the rules here

The only one who is spamming are you scamming asshats with your dubious schemes.

Get a real job idiot. Instead of acting as a parot. Whe are free to do what we want with our money. Cunt

I do have a real job unlike you deciding to run scamming scheme. Your parents must be really proud of you for you to be carrying on their work.

They are, because i work hard for my money but not accuse others without any prove.
Fuck off, people are free to do what they want with their money. You are useless.
And you will not do any favor to the investors, you and others with posting this shit are killing this forum.
BTC was based on anonymous and freedom not that others will tell you what to do.

We're not telling you what to do, we're telling you there will be consequences for what you do.

Big difference, scammer.
1708  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: Mobstermaffia game on: March 05, 2016, 11:17:04 AM

Are you kidding? Have you even been to the site, or tried the game? You don't invest anything. It's a game. A simple game with rewards for the top players after the round ends in May. There are no investments involved. There are no "upgrades" there. It's a simple game like Mafia Wars.

Do your god damn research. Seriously, your red flagging is getting quite ridiculous. You're flooding the Gambling section with your copy and paste bullshit without even doing your homework. I actually thought that you served a purpose in helping protect users, but after your post in this thread... I've lost respect for you.

Meh. Zero fucks given about your respect.

I do, however, care for whether I am incorrect about a potential scam so, once you're done throwing your toys out of the pram, could you explain to me a couple of thing:

1. What is this thread doing in investor-based games if nobody need send it any money?
2. 25% referral earnings! - <This, 25% of what? Because referral payments, particularly high percentage referral payments, generally mean scam.

If I am wrong I will remove my warning.

1709  Economy / Reputation / Re: Default Trust List is a Joke.Theymos Save This Forum. on: March 05, 2016, 10:50:22 AM
*fnurble*. . .All these guys are doing is desensitizing the trust system, making no one give a shit about it and trying to limit free speech.

Two questions for you, dickhead:
1. Prove that tagging demonstrably untrustworthy people is desensitizing the trust system
2. How is communicating the proven untrustworthiness of a user to the community limiting that user's free speech?

Was hoping to point out how ridiculous it is to go after people that write a comment in the ponzi thread because it could potentially be the ponzi owner. Did not buy the idea that some one saying they did well or not should also be labeled.

Yeah, we know you keep repeating the same bullshit assertion in the face of facts.

*sigh* Let's try again
Quote from: Objective argument
1. It matters NOT whether participating in a ponzi is illegal. This is not even the issue.

2. The profit you seek to make through your participation in these schemes is that which is stolen from other users.

3. Posting of your participation in any form in their threads is UNDENIABLE PROOF that you don't give a shit about other users being ripped off.


Which part of point 3 describes anything other than somebody who is PROVEN THROUGH THEIR OWN ACTIONS to be untrustworthy.

Ergo, you are marked as such so that anybody dealing with you in future understands the type of person you are.
1710  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: (ⓝⓔⓦ) Coin Generator ▲ HYBRID FAUCET ▲ build your city ▲ real business <`. on: March 05, 2016, 10:37:03 AM
Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
1711  Economy / Reputation / Re: Lutpin give negative trust without any causes! on: March 05, 2016, 10:33:33 AM
I might have missed something.

Yeah, an objective argument.

Guns don't kill people. Right? People do it. Those who make guns, they don't get sued when someone kills someone with the gun they've made.
Straw man + Red herring and, btw, so fucking what?

You folks support fucking casinos, for fuck sake. Do you know that more people lose their homes and lives on gambling, than to ponzi scams?
False equivalence + Red Herring question

I'm not saying, both are morally bad. I think that casinos are worse than ponzies
Forced false equivalence by unsupported opinion

This one's the real doozy, though
He once tried to get $50 for 2 hours of work for a script I needed asap, because I had no time to create it. (Kindly avoided any further PM exchanges)
1 month later, he makes a scam accusation thread against my project, for no reason.
Statement supports assertion that user has demonstrated dishonest and untrustworthy behaviour, thereby rendering community tagging of user as being untrustworthy, correct.
1712  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: [ANN] +++ INVEST in FX +++ [ANN] on: March 05, 2016, 10:16:38 AM
Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
1713  Economy / Reputation / Re: Open letter to Cryptodevil... on: March 05, 2016, 10:00:38 AM
Please educate me...

You are not interested in being educated, so stop lying. Every single one of your fallacious arguments has been proven, actually proven, to be the fallacy it is yet you continue to keep on desperately clinging to this idea that your claimed 'fact' is absolutely solid solely because you say it is.

I'm starting to think you've got some sort of Asperger-like personality disorder. Nobody could be that fucking insistent that proven facts are to be dismissed and false assertions accepted as proven fact.

1714  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: 150btc.club 150 ROI 30% per day for 5 days on: March 05, 2016, 09:55:35 AM
please remember, if you or someone else will invest bitcoin, perhaps you will be paid only once and after that will not pay anymore, so it's better not to invest bitcoin you here if you love with your coin. just a warning only so as not to regret later!

Can you post this again after 3 - 4 days? But before you post it check the payment list that will be posted
everyday. Thank you.
Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
1715  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: double-btc.info 50 hours to double your BTC! on: March 05, 2016, 09:54:42 AM
so don't invest here, too high risk for scam!

No, don't invest here because in doing so you would be helping a ponzi scammer steal from other users.

That is what a ponzi does.
1716  Economy / Reputation / Re: Accused of scam without ever scamming on: March 05, 2016, 09:41:00 AM
Bitcoin was created to be a open source away from the prying eyes of the government and banks. So when you see people policing a bitcoin forum I personally have to wonder if the one aspect that brings me to bitcoin is still valid.
Are we going to turn this forum into a nanny state where we hold your hand as long as you play ball or we going to go back to the roots?
If we need to coddle people to this extent then its game over and bitcoin will dance down the path till its 1984!
We either let people figure out how life is or you shut it down and establish group thinking and group thinking seems to be winning at the moment.
The whole idea you need to kiss ass,shows that some people have got to big for their own good and need to be brought down a peg. Never submit to some one in life because it is the easier path,you will always pay in some form.

This^

You people are recreating the wheel here again with Bitcoin, simply transplanting the old broken system you are used to into a new format totally ignoring its intent to be a p2p platform free from interference of 3rd parties. Criminals are doing crimes.

What argument do you think you're making with that oft-used Straw-Man?

So, Bitcoin is a decentralised p2p network. Please explain how Bitcoin has anything to do with the dishonest practices demonstrated throughout a social forum community?

Let's just try, for shits and giggles, applying this absurd, "But, but, bitcoin safe from prying eyes so, you know, no consequences allowed!!!1!!1!!!1!1!" perspective.

"Hi I'm Mark Karpeles"
"Mark, I'm going to write an article about your dishonest behaviour so that everybody knows you are an untrustworthy scumbag"
"You can't do that"
"Why?
"Because Bitcoin is a decentralised p2p libertarian utopia. There should be no consequences for what I've done and if you tell people what I've done then that will result in me being held to account for my dishonesty so, you know, BITCOIN!!!!1!1!1!!!elebenty!!!!"!1"

^^^ That is the crux of your argument.

1717  Other / Meta / Re: remove investor-based games on: March 05, 2016, 09:27:09 AM
Its more about posting a fistful of Red Herrings
or two they are leaving a comment that supports the scam. The latter makes little sense because you are turning the victim into a target.
He posts because he wants someone else to be the victim. That *is* the point of the supporting post in a Ponzi thread.
Some think the buyer is the bad guy,well others think the seller is the true issue. Due to not defining the issue they can attack everyone involved with out any one being able to say wait a minute!
Wait a minute, what? Is there something you think follows that statement which magically transmogrifies the dishonest practice of buying and selling forum accounts into something legit and not deceptive?

Both seller and buyer should be tagged, but in a lot of cases they use socks to conduct the transaction so we can't hit the established accounts.

We do what we can to make a functional difference to this cess-pit. You, on the other hand, keep on throwing out 'slippery-slope' fallacious argument about censorship. Even though I keep telling you this we are not stopping anybody from doing anything, we are merely introducing consequence for proven demonstrations of untrustworthiness.

1718  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: 150btc.club 150 ROI 30% per day for 5 days on: March 04, 2016, 04:16:34 PM
Public Service Announcement -
This is just another Ponzi Scam
Do Not Invest!

Those who choose to post of their participation
support or encouragement for this scam will
be tagged with negative trust for proving
they wish to help the scammers operate this
Ponzi in return for a share of the funds stolen
from other users. Thereby proving they are not
trustworthy forum members.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
1719  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: DoubleBot.com - The only one place to double your BTC with a 100% guarantee. on: March 04, 2016, 04:12:50 PM
So because the fucking scammer tells you it's all legit you believe him?

No proof of legitimacy=proof of no legitimacy

1720  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: bitsrapid.com have you try it? on: March 04, 2016, 04:09:55 PM
You're an idiot.

Just because a ponzi pays for a period of time does not make it less of a ponzi.

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