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2581  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: MAX KEISER please please please CORRECT your mistake re: confiscation on: April 17, 2013, 08:03:23 PM
They can't be confiscated.  Unless they figure out the code to my brain wallet...

Mind-reading devices aren't a thing yet, are they?
2582  Other / Off-topic / Re: Dear Environmentalists, please stop ranting about global warming on: April 17, 2013, 07:57:34 PM
If it's our time to go, it's our time to go. The planet will do fine without us
That is not very consoling. lol
No, it's not. Not, at least, if you're human-centric. However, if what you care about is "the environment," or "the planet," then I imagine it's quite comforting to know that after we've wiped ourselves out, life on earth will continue.
I'm cool with humans being gone. My view is that all life is really the same creature. I don't know why, but DNA has emerged and radiated into millions of forms. But it is all just the same DNA creature. You, me, trees, germs, we are the same creature.  There has been only one living thing ever discovered.
So it's no big deal if 90% of life dies on Earth. No different than pruning 90% of the limbs off a tree. Still, i will miss the parties.

That's akin to saying "I'd be cool dying tomorrow."  I'm not Tongue  Sorry.
2583  Other / Off-topic / Re: Dear Environmentalists, please stop ranting about global warming on: April 17, 2013, 07:51:41 PM
Hey, isn't PETA also on that road where they'll only be satisfied when all human beings are wiped out?

I think it's safe to say, humans being selfish is a lot better than humans being dead.  Not saying "screw the planet", but, if I gotta live in space for the rest of my life, I'll be down with that.

So you admit it's better to be selfish and try and prevent our home from being destroyed by our pollution rather than being dead due to ecosystem destruction by our hand?

I think we need to take ownership of our own planet.  Nobody takes a shit on their living room floor, right?  However, if my house going to be bull-dozed, and there's nothing I can do about it, there's no chance in hell I'm dying with it.
2584  Other / Off-topic / Re: Dear Environmentalists, please stop ranting about global warming on: April 17, 2013, 07:42:58 PM
Hey, isn't PETA also on that road where they'll only be satisfied when all human beings are wiped out?

I think it's safe to say, humans being selfish is a lot better than humans being dead.  Not saying "screw the planet", but, if I gotta live in space for the rest of my life, I'll be down with that.
2585  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I love Bitcoin, How does Bitcoin make you feel? on: April 17, 2013, 07:39:07 PM
I think a wise guy once said "the love of money is the root of all evil" .... but yes it is a fascinating, yet powerful force (like splitting atoms).
That's a biblical reference, actually. It's a(n incorrect) paraphrase of something Paul said. A more accurate reference would be, "The love of money is the cause of all kinds of evil." It was not a condemnation of wealth, let that be clear.
Lol, and what is the root of money?


Bankers?
2586  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: April 17, 2013, 07:30:52 PM
I'm still not hearing "No, statists are not sociopathic proxy killers, because:"

Stop dancing around the issue.  Do you, or do you not, agree that you or I need to die to make sure everyone plays to the same rules?  This is the very core of the state, that gooey chocolaty center.  I don't want to talk about "Well this issue with corporatism" or "We're not really slaves because such and such."  I want to hear you say, "I understand the state, this is what it does, and upon understanding that violence is not only encouraged, but vital, for the state to exist, I have determined that I agree with/disagree with the state and its course of action."  Until we make this point absolutely clear, we cannot proceed to nit-pick at individual issues.  Let's zoom out and figure this very basic part out first.

Are you okay with violence being used against me, even when I have not provoked it?
2587  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-17 americanbanker.com - Governments Must Co-Opt Bitcoin to Avert Disaste on: April 17, 2013, 07:14:59 PM
This wouldn't happen to be related to that autistic asshole Anonymint, would it?  Seems to reek of it, in writing style, and "mint".
2588  Other / Politics & Society / Re: White Jesus on: April 17, 2013, 04:49:06 PM
Even still, Jesus would not have been the european guy the renaissance painted him as and every european follower accepted as cold hard fact.  Considering he was out in the sun all day, it'd be a miracle (Wink) if he wasn't dark.
2589  Other / Meta / Re: Can bitcointalk.org get 2 factor authentication? on: April 17, 2013, 05:17:39 AM
2FA via text would be super-duper.
2590  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin anarchy in need of some rules | NY Post on: April 17, 2013, 04:24:58 AM
And once again, the gigantic boner of men with this disturbing fetish for absolute control springs into action.  Say no to government regulation, kiddos.  Regulation does nothing but rig the game in someone's else's favor--specifically, not yours.  The market is being regulated, and we're the ones doing it.  Don't give up your freedoms for the false promise of stability.

Saying no go government regulation does not excuse you from the responsibility of regulation. The community must figure out how to regulate itself which means it probably needs some elected governing body or some form of regulation in the form of the protocol and code.

Completely agree.  The market will be regulated, and I want the regulators to be us.
2591  Economy / Economics / Re: My bank account's got robbed by European Commission. Over 700k is lost. on: April 17, 2013, 03:42:45 AM
ownership is arguably unethical...

Oh goody! Proudhon? Or Marx?
Come and play!
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=34.0


2592  Other / Politics & Society / Re: White Jesus on: April 17, 2013, 03:35:39 AM
What struck me as interesting is how the Bible has been commonly used throughout history as a propaganda tool.  If there was a Korean sect of Christianity, I wonder if there would be a Korean Jesus.



Hrmm...

Considering there's no hard evidence of Jesus existing at all further troubles the matter.  If Jesus existed, however, it's double silly to say he was white, and yet every American incarnation of Jesus has him as a european with a scraggly beard.  How peculiar.  Would a Christian still be cool with the war knowing (assuming the Christian is an American) that their military is blowing up Jesus's ancestors to smithereens?  Dat irony.
2593  Other / Politics & Society / Re: White Jesus on: April 17, 2013, 03:24:05 AM
Switched it
2594  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: April 17, 2013, 03:23:17 AM
and the only way to travel forward is to wait.

Hawking has something to say about that, here.

Apparently, gravity also has an effect on time; if you could spin around a supermassive black hole for a while, time would actually slow down considerably.  But as he's shown, time cannot go backwards at all; that test where if you invite a person in the future who figured out time travel to a party, and then he never shows up.  Grin
2595  Other / Politics & Society / White Jesus on: April 17, 2013, 03:18:55 AM


Discuss.
2596  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: April 17, 2013, 03:15:52 AM
If

Well, there's the wrench in your argument, right there.  Tongue
2597  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-04-16 huffingtonpost.com - Bitcoin Celebrated As Way To Avoid Taxes on: April 17, 2013, 01:53:28 AM
The last thing we need is the IRS thinking all bitcoiners are tax evaders.

It'll eventually come to that, though.  Either that or they'll have to rethink their tax laws.

Hey, come on! I read "some have speculated the currency could be used to avoid taxes" not "all know the currency will be used to avoid taxes". Did I read wrong?

I don't speculate.  I avoid taxes on every purchase I make with Bitcoin Tongue  The IRS currently cannot tax Bitcoin, and it'll take some real patching up to enable them to.
2598  Other / Off-topic / Re: Boston Marathon Explosions on: April 17, 2013, 01:51:18 AM
But what if the bomber is caught and it turns out he purchased explosives with bitcoin from Armory or Black Market Reloaded?

The government will try to damage Bitcoin. Sheeple will turn away from Bitcoin. But the validity of Bitcoin as uncensorable and anonymous payment tool will be definitely proven to world.

I think it's a good thing.  Bitcoin needs to show it can do anything money can do.  The sheeple will be sheeple, so there's no use fighting them.  They'll either figure out their government doesn't have their best interests in mind, or they'll continue to be sheeple.
2599  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: April 17, 2013, 01:50:00 AM
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None of your points lead to me believing you understand why alternatives would look appealing.  Are you implying the system we have now is as good as it has ever been?
The only alternatives that exist are ones that I can actually go to and try out. Everything else is just imagination and theory.
And no, the US system sounds terrible. All that indoctrination! The last time I suggested that freedom and slavery are basically the same concept, just opposite sides of the same coin, I got laughed at. Yet Americans and many others strongly desire this 'freedom'. It must be a very scarce commodity. From the outside it seems clear that the US government is just a side-effect of its people and their attitudes.

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Until you find a way to explain how the state is not the focal point of systematic violence, I don't want to hear it.  Nothing else matters if this point is not touched.
In the US' case it's probably way past the point of no return, and there might be some kind of economic collapse, war, civil war, states breaking away etc. It could be sudden, or maybe the country will continue to get ransacked for a few more years (everyone gradually bails; last one turn out the lights plz). But in general, I'd say governments are a reflection of society, and if society is able to look in the mirror, it should be possible to keep the admin side reasonably honest and sane. I suspect there are also game theory arguments as to why large country-sized crowds would tend to evolve in ways that always result in some kind of government-like structure, but that only explains why governments seem unavoidable.

That's the problem I have with government.  For fun, find a map, or a globe, and stop your finger anywhere that isn't water.  Chances are, the spot you've picked is under some form of government.  We can then determine if that government is benign, or completely bonkers, but one thing we can know for certain, no matter what, is that there's likely someone who sits on the very top of that spot of land, someone who calls the shots, and may or may not attempt to take his fellow citizen's thoughts into running that place.  No matter what government we could list, however, there is always this problem: you have one person, or a small group of people, who make more decision than any other individual within that nation.  Even if that one person made 1% of the decisions of his nation, he would still be making more choices than Joe, who only makes, say, .01% decision, based on his voting, or however he participates.  Because this one individual has more power than anyone else, he always, always, always, uses that power to his own advantage, either consciously, or subconsciously.  There is no benevolent government.  There is always a government who stays afloat through the force of taxation and likely writes laws for its citizens to adhere to.  If these laws are not followed, the government will use violence to ensure the citizen does adhere to law.  Law and taxation are inseparable, for even if a government had only one law, it would be, "You have to pay your taxes."

A while back I introduced an idea that another member labeled as "Direct Democracy."  It seemed to work better than America's current system, because instead of having a figure head way up top, each citizen would have equal access to creating and passing laws through, say, the Internet, or something to that effect.  However, even if each citizen had an equal say, without anyone on top, you would still have people band together and pass law and someone would have to run the state security and someone or a group of people would still have the power to say "I don't like the mary-jay, so I don't think anyone should be allowed to smoke it," even if the person they were using this force against was a complete and total stranger.  No matter how government acts, it is still violent.  Some governments are less violent than others, but they're all violent.  As I do not feel the need to say you, for example, shouldn't have the right to do whatever it is you like to do, I would expect that you could respect my right, too.  If I happened to think, I dunno, gay marriage was okay, and gays should be allowed to marry, I don't think it's anyone's business but that gay couple whether or not they get married.  Since I'm neither gay or feel the need to marry, I don't understand why I need to voice whether or not it should be allowed.  And even if I felt it was horrendously wrong, because it's against whatever belief system that tells me it is, I don't want to tell those people how to live, because I don't want anyone telling me how to live.

I don't feel this is unnatural.  When I'm at school, I don't attempt to force black people out, just 'cos I don't want them around me.  Heck, posh schools do this anyway, with a screening process.  But the government has done exactly that in the past.  I don't believe it's right to tell Joe in California he can't be Joe because Jill in New York has an issue with it.  Fuck Jill, Joe hasn't done a thing to her, and what Joe's doing does not affect Jill.
2600  Other / Politics & Society / Re: This is the thread where you discuss free market, americans and libertarianism on: April 16, 2013, 11:14:38 PM
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None of your points lead to me believing you understand why alternatives would look appealing.  Are you implying the system we have now is as good as it has ever been?  It makes sense, then, why you would support it.  The problem is, if at any point in time, I don't believe the mess you're trying to push, and no longer want to participate, then I'm out of luck, it's too bad, I still have to submit to the authority you love and worship.

Wasn't America, the land of the free, created entirely from slave labor?  This very system we have right now; the one which could never work without the slaves, either physical slaves or economic slaves?  In the very least, Anarchism wouldn't require slave labor to work; if it happened to occur, it would be a side effect.  To the statist, it is a hard rule of thumb that submission is the only way it would work; everyone (except the rich, of course,) must be a voluntary slave--if not, you're just a plain ol' slave.  Whether or not you want to be a slave doesn't matter.  If you're okay with violence being used against me if I, say, avoided the draft, then by all means, carry on with your way of thinking.  Statists agree that violence is the answer.  You're okay with me dying for your narrow-minded view of how everyone should act (within a plot of land with imaginary borders.)

Statists are sociopaths.  Until you find a way to explain how the state is not the focal point of systematic violence, I don't want to hear it.  Nothing else matters if this point is not touched.
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