BTW:  Will my current rig running a AMD Ryzen 3 CPU and ASRock 350Pro 4 MB be compatible with the cards?  It's currently powering 5 1080ti with a EVGA 1600T2 via a data center grade PSU connected to a 40amp line.  Will there be any other components needed besides what I already have?  Thank you for answering my questions and apologoes in advanced if it was answered before.  I read through the thread but couldn't figure out if it would have issues with the AMD setup.

Cheers

OK, so your point 1 is making my point from above that they are not being made in secret and you point 2 is just wrong. Bandwidth is but one component and GPU's are not even Memory Bandwidth limited yet and when they are there is a thing called a bus that can be increased. Your arguments on memory can all be applied to any processing unit so your running on circular logic with that argument when it comes to a advantage one process has over another. Sure Programmable dies are not eproms anymore but what differentiates them from hard coded substrate is what makes it impossible for them to ever be on a even level. I am not arguing that they have not made great strides but you are in a fantasy land here if you think they can ever compete evenly.


My coin? I do not control any coin, I just want to free the world from the yoke of tyranny through the monetary system. ATM monero is the best case scenario for that, if that changes then I will change with it. BTW that value was in existence long before those fools showed up, the only reason they are there is because its one big moderated echo chamber.

So Zcash forked away from a single marketing comment? I wouldn't know or care about that. I have no interest in any trusted setup, if I did I wouldn't be here I'd just stay under the banking yoke. BTW I find that hard to believe but stranger things have happened. My guess is you don't have all the information.

Your sole reason for being here may be monetary gain but don't automatically assume the same is for everyone else.


This is a niche industry that has been around for far longer than crypto currency and has it's place in many applications. IIRC inititially it was used as a testbed for cpu logic before the costly manufacturing process. It's alot more fun to find a bug in the logic before you roll out a few million cpu's. Just ask Intel.

Ok so lyra2z is hashing at 20 Mh/s. A single RX 580 hashes at 3.2 Mh/s. A single Vega64 hashes over 6 Mh/s.
You therefore need 6x RX 580 for one FPGA. But you can get 6x RX 580 probably for around half the price of a single FPGA.

It is as I thought it would be. They are not so terribly powerfull, but they do have a loooot better hash per W ratio. They are expensive, so basically for those with deep pockets. On the other hand as this is still a fairly new field being born again from the ashes, this means there will be some birthing problems etc...In the end I would still bet on GPUs simply because they are proven 100 times over and flexible.

You all have to also bear in mind theat GPUs today are basically 3-4 year old arhitecture. AMD for instance is going on with the same artitecture simply because they did not need to get out anything new. I am sure they (and NVIDIA) have much more powerfull GPUs already prepared but are holding back. So it can as well happen you pay costly for FPGAs just to have both GPU manufacturers release relly powefull cards at the end of the year for instance. And because of mass production they will always be cheaper.

I am definitely going to wait to see how all this plays out

EDIT:

And I just read about 90 days of waranty. Is this correct? I get 90 days of warranty for a 3K$ worth piece of tech. Em ok. Meanwhile I get years of warranty for GPUs. Man if that thing dies after 6 months thats gonna be really bad.

I don't try to put anyone down here don't get me wrong. You seem legit, I am just that voice of doubt in the back of peoples heads Although I am sure most will ignore me lol.

limit to cryptonight :
there are 2160BRAM+960URAM in XCVU9P,you can use 38MB in big ram cascade mode,that is 19 core
each cryptonight  hash need 1M memory read and write cycles.
if you remove all pipeline,you may get 100H @100MHz per core.
if you all pipeline to improve fmax,you will get slower hashrate.
it maybe very hard to run 100MHz with no pipeline.
assume it is 100MHz,19CORE, the max hashrate is 1900H/s.
if using extern DDR4,the limit is bandwidth,36MB per hash,each DDR4-2400 may get 533H/s,
but the cryptonight  random access rate is 16byte ,memory random access rate is 128byte , the valid efficiency is 1/8
each DDR4-2400 may can get 66.6H/s,and 4 DDR4 you get 266H/s

the max theoretical cryptonight hashrate is 1900+266=2166 H/s
Don't dream to get 22KH/s

So the sales has ended or has not started? I see everything is sold out.

Indeed Europe has a minimum of 2 years

What do you mean EU:EU?  Like selling from an establishment or an office in EU? In EU:EU case  is always advantagesous for a buyer  ( and it probably would not sound  as advantageous for the seller though), cause  if a manufacturer does not provide 2 yr warranty,  the seller will have to, regardless of the manufacturer)).

On the other hand, from buyers perspective it may make sense to get in touch with Xilinx EU distributors, there are some sales contacts in EU  I remember(Italy and France). Those would have to provide 2 yr warranty.
Indeed. I would be really upset even if a $500 GPU fails, not to mention a $3.5K-5K card.

@senseless, does this 90 day warranty apply to modified FPGAs only (due to modification) or to out-of-the box  (unmodified) ones as well?

I know there are issues in the United States with 90 day warranties too, one of the main reason you couldnt order Mining Cards from distributors and major brands/stores.

Is this a joke:
"Cutting a custom copper plate from stock metal, and using SAC305 solder paste to solder it to a Thermaltake water cooling block using a toaster oven"

from: http://zetheron.com/index.php/hardware-modifications/

Thanks for putting a name with the moniker, that alone adds trust.

EDIT: I should read entire threads before commenting, already answered


Well that was quick, congrats.

If i did end up going for it, id definately go for premium model.
But as i am waiting to see people receive the cards and bitstreams, and what the performance ans hassle setting it up will be, i think there will be long delivery times if i finally decide to go for it lol.

Several questions :

1. Approximatly, how many time do we have before the effective sales ? some days ? week ? half a month ? more ?

2. DDR4 memory : if we already have a 8 or 16 Go DDR4 memory, can we use it instead of buying the global package ? If yes, no matter the DDR4 frequency ?

3. Is 1 FPGA enought ? Do we need several FPGA, depending on the algorithm used ?

lyra2z finished?

Can't wait to get my hands on these FPGA cards.

I've read that you've mostly anticipated that these cards are going to end up in open air miners. Would placing those in 4U server racks be possible? Do we need to have water cooling or 6x 2000RPM fans would do the job if servers are placed in a datacenter with closed cold corridors?

Thanks in advance for the reply.

senseless,
I am very  interested to participate. I will be ordering 8 FPGAs to start with and will probably  be ordering regularly later depending on the mining outcomes.
But we have to do our own due diligence as you understand. Could you please elaborate more on the organization of the entire purchase and payments?  Is it a group buy or will we be buying directly from you, legally speaking?
Did you manage to make that deal with Xilinx about chips, will it be some other factory assembling ot as OEM units? When exactly will you receive the units?
Please, let us know in more detail.

The one with mods and without mods has the exact same descriptions. What are the mods exactly? Seeing if it's worth the premium...

Will modded cards void warranty, are the mods those listed on OP's website or more involved?

What's the manufacturer warranty on these things?  

No offense to you (I'm new to the forum) but do you have a history of previous group buys?  

Are these on hand, what's the ETA?

When are you opening orders?

Is the pricing set now @ 3600 for Mods & DDR4 version?  I'm in for 3.

OP said he would so ordered one as proof of work.


Was looking at these guys:
http://www.hitechglobal.com/Boards/Virtex_UltraScale+_Vita57.4.htm

Thought their cards don't look as robust.  OP mentioned being aware of a dozen vendors, so I'm thinking he went w/these two for a reason.

sold out, 

Question, would that mean the FPGA can have multiple algos at one time? Or does one bitstream can only do 1 algo at a time? Is there anyway to do multi-algo profit switching on the fly or does changing bitsreams have to be done manually each time?

Any reason for getting 16gb vs 0gb version? Furthermore, any estimates when these become available for order. I assume getting them to EU will be pain in the ass.

Get in touch with them over the website, I guess. They've got a few contact options.
Bearing in mind their stuff is good but not cheap. Wonder if a full board block would be worth it... Do you really need to cool the memory actively on a Xilinx board?

Could you also later develop the miner(s) for the algo ? One for FPGA and another for GPUs

This is just a foolish statement, it's about curtailing future centralization such as what we see with bitcoin. Lose the hyperbole. We tend to play the long game and are not the fools in this scene that can be manipulated like your off the cuff suggestion. You might be able to catch some redditt fools on that but not here. This has been a ongoing discussion since day one and in no way shape or form came as a surprise, as a matter of fact I would bet it was staved off for years just do to the discussions about what our stated reaction would be.

WILL THERE BE A "HOW TO DO" VIDEO FOR BUYERS?

Putting my two cents in here, for what it's worth.

I poke around the corners and keep an eye on people who make big claims in this space. I don't always have the time to speak up, but I'll speak up here for David, and David alone.

David is the President and co-founder of Squirrels LLC. He's the gentlemen responsible for eip-969. He built a supercomputer for verifying prime numbers. He's responsible for a lot of big drivers in education like AirParrot and Reflector and a handful of other applications. He is actively working to make technology a part of everyday life in unique and interesting ways.

I can confirm he has a deal with Xilinix. I can confirm he's got the hardware. I can confirm he's got everything he says he has. If he doesn't deliver, I'll hunt him to the ends of the earth. No plane, train, or automobile will keep him safe.  

So, for what it's worth, yeah. He's good people(s), securitizones.