ALLMINE INC - FPGA Cryptominer

[colomine]

senseless,
I am very  interested to participate. I will be ordering 8 FPGAs to start with and will probably  be ordering regularly later depending on the mining outcomes.
But we have to do our own due diligence as you understand. Could you please elaborate more on the organization of the entire purchase and payments?  Is it a group buy or will we be buying directly from you, legally speaking?
Did you manage to make that deal with Xilinx about chips, will it be some other factory assembling ot as OEM units? When exactly will you receive the units?
Please, let us know in more detail.

[Hueristic]

How do we know that this is not another scam. You could just take everybody's money and run as there's no address for your company (other than a virtual office) and we don't know who we are dealing with physically.

My company (www.airsquirrels.com) is providing the deal with Xilinx and the shipping/cards.

Hopefully I will actually be able to do a PR with Xilinx to confirm.

AllMine is handling order processing and front end logistics as well as the development shell.

David Stanfill, feel free to email me directly or setup a call if you have any doubts.

Thanks for putting a name with the moniker, that alone adds trust.

EDIT: I should read entire threads before commenting, already answered

Update:

Pricing information has been released at https://fpga.land/

I've also updated OP with current lyra2z hashrate. We will post more hashrates in the coming days.

Note: we're still working on the website. excuse our mess.

Well that was quick, congrats.

[senseless]

How do we know that this is not another scam. You could just take everybody's money and run as there's no address for your company (other than a virtual office) and we don't know who we are dealing with physically.

My company (www.airsquirrels.com) is providing the deal with Xilinx and the shipping/cards.

Hopefully I will actually be able to do a PR with Xilinx to confirm.

AllMine is handling order processing and front end logistics as well as the development shell.

David Stanfill, feel free to email me directly or setup a call if you have any doubts.

Thanks for putting a name with the moniker, that alone adds trust.

EDIT: I should read entire threads before commenting, already answered

Update:

Pricing information has been released at https://fpga.land/

I've also updated OP with current lyra2z hashrate. We will post more hashrates in the coming days.

Note: we're still working on the website. excuse our mess.

Well that was quick, congrats.

My moniker, while perhaps not as warm and trusting on the surface, has my last name in it. So...

https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-sensel-10454a79/

Is the pricing set now @ 3600 for Mods & DDR4 version?  I'm in for 3.

Correct, the current pricing displayed on the site is what we will be selling for when sales launch.

If i did end up going for it, id definately go for premium model.
But as i am waiting to see people receive the cards and bitstreams, and what the performance ans hassle setting it up will be, i think there will be long delivery times if i finally decide to go for it lol.

Only a limited number of boards have shipped. We're still waiting to receive the boards we were advanced for this purpose.

Several questions :

1. Approximatly, how many time do we have before the effective sales ? some days ? week ? half a month ? more ?

2. DDR4 memory : if we already have a 8 or 16 Go DDR4 memory, can we use it instead of buying the global package ? If yes, no matter the DDR4 frequency ?

3. Is 1 FPGA enought ? Do we need several FPGA, depending on the algorithm used ?

1) Minimum 2 days, at most a week.
2) You need DDR4 2400 memory. There's also no guarantee your dimms specifically will work with this board. I should be able to test a few variations next month before shipping so we can put out a compatible memory list.
3) Yep, 1 fpga is enough. There are situations where chaining them can get better results.

lyra2z finished?

Nope, still under development. I should have some final numbers before sales launch.

Can't wait to get my hands on these FPGA cards.

I've read that you've mostly anticipated that these cards are going to end up in open air miners. Would placing those in 4U server racks be possible? Do we need to have water cooling or 6x 2000RPM fans would do the job if servers are placed in a datacenter with closed cold corridors?

Thanks in advance for the reply.

Yes, server racks in datacenters would do the job. Water loops are possible. 4U rack is possible. Obviously amazon has their FPGA inside racked servers.

The colder these chips are the better they will work. I can't wait to put a phase change chiller on this and try to operate it at -30C   .

senseless,
I am very  interested to participate. I will be ordering 8 FPGAs to start with and will probably  be ordering regularly later depending on the mining outcomes.
But we have to do our own due diligence as you understand. Could you please elaborate more on the organization of the entire purchase and payments?  Is it a group buy or will we be buying directly from you, legally speaking?
Did you manage to make that deal with Xilinx about chips, will it be some other factory assembling ot as OEM units? When exactly will you receive the units?
Please, let us know in more detail.

My company Allmine Inc, has entered a JV with Squirrels Research for the development and deployment of latest generation ultrascale+ devices in / as miners. This is not a group buy, it's a sale. Legally speaking. Originally our deal with Xilinx centered around chips, but they have taken on the manufacturing role for us and will be delivering manufactured boards. We're not manufacturing these ourselves, Xilinx is. Our current delivery estimate is August. If that changes, we will pass that information along.

Regarding warranty, we haven't mentioned it and (quite surprisingly) no one has asked about it. The warranty period will be 90 days from the date of delivery.

[MinedTangerine]

Ok so lyra2z is hashing at 20 Mh/s. A single RX 580 hashes at 3.2 Mh/s. A single Vega64 hashes over 6 Mh/s.
You therefore need 6x RX 580 for one FPGA. But you can get 6x RX 580 probably for around half the price of a single FPGA.

It is as I thought it would be. They are not so terribly powerfull, but they do have a loooot better hash per W ratio. They are expensive, so basically for those with deep pockets. On the other hand as this is still a fairly new field being born again from the ashes, this means there will be some birthing problems etc...In the end I would still bet on GPUs simply because they are proven 100 times over and flexible.

You all have to also bear in mind theat GPUs today are basically 3-4 year old arhitecture. AMD for instance is going on with the same artitecture simply because they did not need to get out anything new. I am sure they (and NVIDIA) have much more powerfull GPUs already prepared but are holding back. So it can as well happen you pay costly for FPGAs just to have both GPU manufacturers release relly powefull cards at the end of the year for instance. And because of mass production they will always be cheaper.

I am definitely going to wait to see how all this plays out

EDIT:

And I just read about 90 days of waranty. Is this correct? I get 90 days of warranty for a 3K$ worth piece of tech. Em ok. Meanwhile I get years of warranty for GPUs. Man if that thing dies after 6 months thats gonna be really bad.

I don't try to put anyone down here don't get me wrong. You seem legit, I am just that voice of doubt in the back of peoples heads Although I am sure most will ignore me lol.

[volish]

Is it correct to say that some of the other algos run much better though? Personally I am torn between trying to get one of these or trying to badger someone for an old 6 card 580 rig for a bit cheaper due to the negative outlook for gpu mining.

[chup]

Regarding warranty, we haven't mentioned it and (quite surprisingly) no one has asked about it. The warranty period will be 90 days from the date of delivery.

I think 90 days are not enough to obey EU laws for planned EU:EU sales process.

[SuppaHash]

Interest on Discord or Telegram channel, can someone provide links or PMs?

[hashm1n3r]

Interest on Discord or Telegram channel, can someone provide links or PMs?

https://discord.gg/jdw8jZB

[melpheos]

Regarding warranty, we haven't mentioned it and (quite surprisingly) no one has asked about it. The warranty period will be 90 days from the date of delivery.

I think 90 days are not enough to obey EU laws for planned EU:EU sales process.

Indeed Europe has a minimum of 2 years

[colomine]

Regarding warranty, we haven't mentioned it and (quite surprisingly) no one has asked about it. The warranty period will be 90 days from the date of delivery.

@chup,
I think 90 days are not enough to obey EU laws for planned EU:EU sales process.

What do you mean EU:EU?  Like selling from an establishment or an office in EU? In EU:EU case  is always advantagesous for a buyer  ( and it probably would not sound  as advantageous for the seller though), cause  if a manufacturer does not provide 2 yr warranty,  the seller will have to, regardless of the manufacturer)).

On the other hand, from buyers perspective it may make sense to get in touch with Xilinx EU distributors, there are some sales contacts in EU  I remember(Italy and France). Those would have to provide 2 yr warranty.

I don't try to put anyone down here don't get me wrong. You seem legit, I am just that voice of doubt in the back of peoples heads Although I am sure most will ignore me lol.

Indeed. I would be really upset even if a $500 GPU fails, not to mention a $3.5K-5K card.

@senseless, does this 90 day warranty apply to modified FPGAs only (due to modification) or to out-of-the box  (unmodified) ones as well?

[Andy16k]

What's the expected turnaround for new bitstreams on new algos likely to be?

I do a lot of cryptonight coins and it seems a growing trend for coins to create their own algorithm variations by just tweaking a couple of settings

Some that come to mind are:
cryptonight Aeon
Cryptonight IPBC
Cryptonight b2n
Cryptonight Arto

Then you've got all the rest
Standard
V7
Lite
Litev7
Heavy

Etc etc

[dazzmore]

So the sales has ended or has not started? I see everything is sold out.

[LTCMAXMYR]

limit to cryptonight :
there are 2160BRAM+960URAM in XCVU9P,you can use 38MB in big ram cascade mode,that is 19 core
each cryptonight  hash need 1M memory read and write cycles.
if you remove all pipeline,you may get 100H @100MHz per core.
if you all pipeline to improve fmax,you will get slower hashrate.
it maybe very hard to run 100MHz with no pipeline.
assume it is 100MHz,19CORE, the max hashrate is 1900H/s.
if using extern DDR4,the limit is bandwidth,36MB per hash,each DDR4-2400 may get 533H/s,
but the cryptonight  random access rate is 16byte ,memory random access rate is 128byte , the valid efficiency is 1/8
each DDR4-2400 may can get 66.6H/s,and 4 DDR4 you get 266H/s

the max theoretical cryptonight hashrate is 1900+266=2166 H/s
Don't dream to get 22KH/s

[Way2Paradise]

So the sales has ended or has not started? I see everything is sold out.

sales has not started. that's what it says on the website.

by the way.. to op.. do you ship to eu or continue to ship only usa?

[Regulater]

Regarding warranty, we haven't mentioned it and (quite surprisingly) no one has asked about it. The warranty period will be 90 days from the date of delivery.

I think 90 days are not enough to obey EU laws for planned EU:EU sales process.

Indeed Europe has a minimum of 2 years

I know there are issues in the United States with 90 day warranties too, one of the main reason you couldnt order Mining Cards from distributors and major brands/stores.

[senseless]

Regarding warranty, we haven't mentioned it and (quite surprisingly) no one has asked about it. The warranty period will be 90 days from the date of delivery.

@chup,
I think 90 days are not enough to obey EU laws for planned EU:EU sales process.

What do you mean EU:EU?  Like selling from an establishment or an office in EU? In EU:EU case  is always advantagesous for a buyer  ( and it probably would not sound  as advantageous for the seller though), cause  if a manufacturer does not provide 2 yr warranty,  the seller will have to, regardless of the manufacturer)).

On the other hand, from buyers perspective it may make sense to get in touch with Xilinx EU distributors, there are some sales contacts in EU  I remember(Italy and France). Those would have to provide 2 yr warranty.

I don't try to put anyone down here don't get me wrong. You seem legit, I am just that voice of doubt in the back of peoples heads Although I am sure most will ignore me lol.

Indeed. I would be really upset even if a $500 GPU fails, not to mention a $3.5K-5K card.

@senseless, does this 90 day warranty apply to modified FPGAs only (due to modification) or to out-of-the box  (unmodified) ones as well?

Regarding warranty, we haven't mentioned it and (quite surprisingly) no one has asked about it. The warranty period will be 90 days from the date of delivery.

I think 90 days are not enough to obey EU laws for planned EU:EU sales process.

Indeed Europe has a minimum of 2 years

I know there are issues in the United States with 90 day warranties too, one of the main reason you couldnt order Mining Cards from distributors and major brands/stores.

The warranty applies to all cards shipped.

For USA, https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/15/2304

A 90 day warranty for anything that will be beat to death as mining hardware is more than reasonable.

[senseless]

Ok so lyra2z is hashing at 20 Mh/s. A single RX 580 hashes at 3.2 Mh/s. A single Vega64 hashes over 6 Mh/s.
You therefore need 6x RX 580 for one FPGA. But you can get 6x RX 580 probably for around half the price of a single FPGA.

It is as I thought it would be. They are not so terribly powerfull, but they do have a loooot better hash per W ratio. They are expensive, so basically for those with deep pockets. On the other hand as this is still a fairly new field being born again from the ashes, this means there will be some birthing problems etc...In the end I would still bet on GPUs simply because they are proven 100 times over and flexible.

You all have to also bear in mind theat GPUs today are basically 3-4 year old arhitecture. AMD for instance is going on with the same artitecture simply because they did not need to get out anything new. I am sure they (and NVIDIA) have much more powerfull GPUs already prepared but are holding back. So it can as well happen you pay costly for FPGAs just to have both GPU manufacturers release relly powefull cards at the end of the year for instance. And because of mass production they will always be cheaper.

I am definitely going to wait to see how all this plays out

EDIT:

And I just read about 90 days of waranty. Is this correct? I get 90 days of warranty for a 3K$ worth piece of tech. Em ok. Meanwhile I get years of warranty for GPUs. Man if that thing dies after 6 months thats gonna be really bad.

I don't try to put anyone down here don't get me wrong. You seem legit, I am just that voice of doubt in the back of peoples heads Although I am sure most will ignore me lol.

There are 2 different lyra2zs..

One is 2,8192,256 (zcoin)
The other is 8,8,8 (everything else)

Which one are you talking about? For the 8,8,8 coins the hashrates are significantly lower than 2,8192,256 (zcoin).

limit to cryptonight :
there are 2160BRAM+960URAM in XCVU9P,you can use 38MB in big ram cascade mode,that is 19 core
each cryptonight  hash need 1M memory read and write cycles.
if you remove all pipeline,you may get 100H @100MHz per core.
if you all pipeline to improve fmax,you will get slower hashrate.
it maybe very hard to run 100MHz with no pipeline.
assume it is 100MHz,19CORE, the max hashrate is 1900H/s.
if using extern DDR4,the limit is bandwidth,36MB per hash,each DDR4-2400 may get 533H/s,
but the cryptonight  random access rate is 16byte ,memory random access rate is 128byte , the valid efficiency is 1/8
each DDR4-2400 may can get 66.6H/s,and 4 DDR4 you get 266H/s

the max theoretical cryptonight hashrate is 1900+266=2166 H/s
Don't dream to get 22KH/s

(No offense meant) You lack an understanding of these devices to be able to say what the theoretical hashrate is. It's clear you've not even read the datasheet.

So the sales has ended or has not started? I see everything is sold out.

Sales have not started

Regarding warranty, we haven't mentioned it and (quite surprisingly) no one has asked about it. The warranty period will be 90 days from the date of delivery.

I think 90 days are not enough to obey EU laws for planned EU:EU sales process.

Indeed Europe has a minimum of 2 years

In that case, we may not ship to EU at all. There's no way we're going to warranty these for that long. Does the EU law take into account devices which will be abused by their owners?
Sent the concern over to the people who are handling these things for us to get their feedback.
Strangely, the devices you (europeans in general) bought from avnet, digikey, etc would also not have a warranty for this time frame (2yrs). So, either avnet / digikey / etc are not compliant with EU law, or there's something else.

[timedk]

BTW:  Will my current rig running a AMD Ryzen 3 CPU and ASRock 350Pro 4 MB be compatible with the cards?  It's currently powering 5 1080ti with a EVGA 1600T2 via a data center grade PSU connected to a 40amp line.  Will there be any other components needed besides what I already have?  Thank you for answering my questions and apologoes in advanced if it was answered before.  I read through the thread but couldn't figure out if it would have issues with the AMD setup.

Cheers

[senseless]

BTW:  Will my current rig running a AMD Ryzen 3 CPU and ASRock 350Pro 4 MB be compatible with the cards?  It's currently powering 5 1080ti with a EVGA 1600T2 via a data center grade PSU connected to a 40amp line.  Will there be any other components needed besides what I already have?  Thank you for answering my questions and apologoes in advanced if it was answered before.  I read through the thread but couldn't figure out if it would have issues with the AMD setup.

Cheers

Any system with PCI-E 3.0 slots and USB slots will be ok. The FPGA can and should go into risers unless your motherboard can supply +75W to it. If you tax your motherboard too hard it will fry.

[skablast]

Senseless, there is something else.
"Non può parlarsi di difetto di conformità se al momento della
conclusione del contratto il consumatore è a conoscenza del difetto
o non poteva non esserne a conoscenza oppure se il bene risulta
difettoso a causa di materiali forniti direttamente dal consumatore.
Questa disposizione non è stata trasposta in maniera uniforme dalla
normativa dei vari Stati europei, pertanto non si può invocare la
tutela della garanzia legale:
1. Se il consumatore era a conoscenza del difetto al momento
dell’acquisto del prodotto (Belgio, Repubblica Ceca, Germania,
Estonia, Irlanda, Spagna, Francia, Italia, Cipro, Lussemburgo,
Lettonia, Paesi Bassi, Portogallo, Slovenia e Slovacchia);"

Sorry,its 5 AM and I am not awake enough to search for the english one...

In English: its enough that you clearly state /write/ on the website that the  good you are selling have  a maximum of 90 days continuos use since the day of delivery.
if its clearly written/stated on the order, no consumer can invoke the standard warranty law after that period in the country listed above.

If you need help/ detail, I am on Discord and on your discord server as well.
And I will take one when will be available