mods, i know this is bad form but please sticky this. and then force ponzi's to go off into another subthread of their own.
Mem, well said. i hope people will listen to this, but knowing people, easy money is just too good to pass up.
I think they belong under an "active scams" sub forum, then let the idiots go nuts.
Why do you feel the need to call everyone an idiot? People can think for themselves, stop thinking you're smarter.
We all know this is the gambling forum and there's a chance we won't get our money back if we put money into a ponzi.
Hello IDIOT</s>
Yes I know, it does not help get my point across to point out just how fucking stupid the people that buy into these things are.
But as to why, well frankly those that participate are............what is the PC word for idiots, someone help me out here, Gullible ?.
edit: gonna shove in all my replies here:People can think for themselves, stop thinking you're smarter.
What? If people can think for themselves, then it's entirely possible that the OP is smarter then them.
You know what I mean.
My opinion is OP is someone who's very into gambling, is annoyed he missed out on some of these ponzi's so has a personal vendetta against them and those who take part, simply because of his own choice (hence all the name calling)
LOL but no, Ive been kicking around longer than most but nice try there.
Im pretty concerned though, if all you have understood so far is that "I missed out on these ponzis" then you are definitely an idiot and fail to grasp how ponzi's are different to gambling games.
mem, I'm with you in this fight. they have simply been allowed to take over. spirit of marketplace/gambling, destroyed in a scammy ball of bitcoin dust. I feel it too my man.
Hi Micon, great to see you are still active in these parts, Im long over due to login to seals and have a game btw
My honest concern is that this forum is moderately corrupted, I remember strongly arguing with theymos about outing Pirate@40 only to have some then famous shills come out of the woodwork to derail the topic.
Theymos made the arguments (paraphrasing)
that he can host advertisements for anyone and if people are to stupid not to see a scam for a scam then its their own fault and of course the....
forum needs money !!! (lol).
I enjoyed a description of the 3 types of people who get in and out early
Thanks, we have some that still rear their ugly mugs on bitcointalk last time I was here.
Honestly, take last years bitcoin conference talkers and about 1/2 of them end up being this years scammers.
Guys, we're having a discussion with a global mod over in "meta" if you'd like to contribute regarding the ponzi epidemic.
Sweet, link please.
Besides being completely illegal in some countries and extremely deceptive, ponzis have overtaken the gambling section.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494662.80I posted a topic in Meta about this to hopefully create a sub-board for these types of pyramid scams.
Maybe if enough people post in the thread, it will create pressure to create another board.
agreed, this place is currently a wasteland of scams, its a disgrace it was let run this far.
Besides being completely illegal in some countries and extremely deceptive, ponzis have overtaken the gambling section.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=494662.80I posted a topic in Meta about this to hopefully create a sub-board for these types of pyramid scams.
Maybe if enough people post in the thread, it will create pressure to create another board.
The admins have already ruled that ponzi's with their own website are perfectly fine for this section. I don't know how to convince them otherwise, as several of us have made very convincing arguments about how they violate the spirit if not the letter of the "gambling" forum.
Well Theymos is most certainly imho corrupt, he took part in advertising for Pirate@40 with people like myself going to great lengths to explain to him that this is not just wrong, its fucking illegal - to which he goes "dont care, Its my forum, also why havent you donated yet".
I don't think that the ponzi games here actually fit into the law book definition of ponzi. Most games show all transactions and it's part of the game that new payments can stop at any time (and it's also obviously possible for the person that runs the ponzi to deposit themsevels in the beginning.) Non of this is hidden.
Its a bloody ponzi, not gambling and highly illegal in most countries.
Well then how about making threats to the site ADmin, if they dont get rid or move them we can actully report the site for hosting illegal games. They can lose there Hosting and they will have no choice to listen to us. What do ya think?
Please, no threats - its not how you go about lasting change.
The issue is that these sites and their operators are anonymous, they pay bitcointalk and other advertisers without any morales (again taking a stab @ theymos) to help promote their scam. Once it is discovered they register a new domain, make a new bitcointalk account and pay
bribe theymos to promote their
scam advertisement.
Ponzis are only illegal because they try to masquerade themselves as a genuine investment. Why is that so hard for people to understand? When everything is out in the open its nothing more than a game (unless the operator runs away, but anyone who handles other peoples money can do that)
If you're talking about the sites such as leancy, then you're going to have to prove they're a ponzi if you want to get anywhere.
This is true, there would be nothing illegal about it if they were honest, "send money and we might send it back, or not, or do whatever we want with it".
Very well said, I got a good chuckle out of that.
The mental backflips some people do to explain their idiotic investment or defend their scams is hilarious.
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