You don't actually believe that do you?
You don't actually believe in Prism, do you? You didn't answer my question. You don't actually believe you'd go to Guantanamo Bay for refusing to give up your bitcoins to a cop, do you? If you want to fight the agendas, you need common sense and cool, not ignorant cultist garbage. |
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Fixed that for you: Depends on what government it was. If it was the Korean government, I'd laugh at them. If it was the US government, I'd go to Guantanamo Bay take the opportunity to fight and resist in the courts all the way to the Supreme Court to see that bitcoin got as much attention as possible, before giving them a private key to a wallet with 0.001 BTC in it.
You don't actually believe that do you? |
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Depends on what government it was. If it was the Korean government, I'd laugh at them. If it was the US government, I'd take the opportunity to fight and resist in the courts all the way to the Supreme Court to see that bitcoin got as much attention as possible, before giving them a private key to a wallet with 0.001 BTC in it.
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On a side issue also relevant to profitability and long term mining: I have been monitoring the sums of buys and sells on http://bitcoin.clarkmoody.com/ and I set the Group by price at 0.25. I can see very strong buy volumes compared with the sell volumes. Normally, this should indicate the price going up which is not happening and here's where I see a problem. The buy orders are holding ground, it looks like there is no urgency to buy. The sell order, on the other hand, is showing the opposite. They seem to lower to sell at the bid often driving the price down. There does not seem to be any effort on the part of the sellers to hold on to their ask prices as much as the buyers to their bids. Why not? I find this puzzling and have even suspected of Wall St dirty games with all the Bernanke free play fiat.. Anyone care to comment? J/ Seems to me that is just more evidence that bitcoin is primarily used as a speculative investment vehicle and nobody actually uses it as a currency. |
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I'm surprised this hasn't happened in China yet. |
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Someone who can't shut down a site clearly doesn't own it, wouldn't you say?
So you're saying the US government owns this site? That's a pretty non-answer you've given. Would it be fair to say that you own it, but there are others who have administrator privileges and certain steps have been taken to require other people who work for you to agree before a very select few actions can be taken, correct? |
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This seems a lot like the principles behind Ripple, except with locking of funds (a good idea) and making sure those funds are active before a trade can be made, instead of just assuming they are because "trust". Please correct if wrong.
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Who owns it?
Depends on your definition of ownership. Different resources are controlled by different people. Private Internet Access has ultimate control of the server. Sirius owns the domain. A lot of the money is managed in accordance with the Treasury Agreements, which defines a somewhat more complex organizational structure, though these agreements don't rule the entire forum. I coordinate it all, but I have no ultimate, binding authority over anything. No one person can permanently shut down the forum. No one said anything about shutting down, as you know that isn't the issue. The issue is operating under false pretenses. Saying it can't be shut down by one person simply means honest people will have a hard time calling out dishonesty when they see it. |
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I don't have a dog in this fight, so I've applied to be on the charity selection board. Hi there,
Kudos on the fund - This is a great idea and probably the best way BFL could have fulfilled their promise given the values at stake. I think I would be a good addition to your selection board as I have visibility within the community, a reputation for being fair, reality based, and comprehensive, and I sequester my personal ideology from merit based decision-making.
Let me know if you'd like to set up a time to talk about this, I look forward to your response. I sincerely hope the guy you quoted in the original post isn't the one picking charities, if this is governed by a real board it could be very helpful. Using Inaba's logic, now that you've posted in this thread you're associated with me and thus cannot be associated with him. I suppose me being associated with everyone should starve him. |
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debts arising from bets are not enforceable
Despite what natural enemies of mine tried to portray otherwise, I knew this already and it is true for my current situation (there is no way to sue me successfully, take from me what I don't have, etc etc). The problem is, I didn't know the scope of my trolling and what it would do to even a handful of honest people. I'm positive many of the betters were scammers (many have admitted it), but I don't think it matters. What matters is that I threw a ball in a house, the house caught on fire, and now I realize I may have knocked over a candle, and even if I can't prove it, it doesn't matter, I take responsibility for the fire. We now await Josh/Inaba to take responsibility for his fire, instead of trying to bribe with the insurance claims inspectors or painting over the fire damage. |
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When buying something on the forum (physical), how can I retain my anonymity (not giving away my physical address)? Thanks!
Send with a fake return address, use a drop-shipper, use a re-shipper, use a magic genie. |
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A shame I'm paying for. That's the different between me and a scammer though, I make up for things when I make a mistake and I always make sure to pay back more than was borrowed.
And how much exactly have you payed back? I don't visit this forum that often and I am genuinely curious about that. More than half. It will take years potentially if bitcoin's price continues to raise regularly, but I will keep my word because despite the misconception by those who think a manic episode equates to being a scammer, I am probably one of the most honest people on these forums (key point: I correct myself when wrong, apologize when wrong, and make up for my mistakes. I do not start fraudulent funds and pass them off as charities to avoid paying what I owe). |
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I do. Here's the truth: The forum is in reality a giant prank instigated by me to make fun of Bitcoiners. I'm sorry you had to learn it this way.  Did you also make BFL? |
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Wait, what? I'm doing accounting for The Conference? I guess I'll have to get off my butt and actually, uh, do... something?
For what it's worth, the money is still BFL's, regardless of what they said about giving it to charities, so I don't fault them for being picky about who gets it and not giving it to those they dislike. As long as it's not going back to them, I don't think it matters if they deny it to someone for personal reasons. The whole point of creating this fund was to help them improve their company image, so it's really up to them to pick which donations would improve it and which won't have any effect. I'm also not sure that The Conference really qualities as a needy cause. Or a charity.
Also, despite horrible business mistakes and fuckups, I don't consider BFL a scam at all. If only because they were always willing to give refunds, and I believe all their reasons for delays, especially since they were honest about making stupid mistakes to cause those delays. Badly run business? Yes. Scam? No. Maybe I'm just gullible. I'll also probably be buying from them once they catch up on backorders and start regular shipments.
No, they will not be giving away $200,000 because someone on the interwebz gets pissy or calls them names. They are not scammers. That name conjures up images of some snot nosed kid behind a keyboard playing video games and laughing about the couple of guys they suckered on a stupid forum. These guys are professional grifters that set out on a mission to swindle as many people as they can for as long as they can. If I were going to do a long con I would also refund a few people to keep up appearances and make up the lost funds by charging the remaining marks $300-$500 shipping (which is what they have done). I have to agree with Matthew on this one. It's very concerning that the supposedly "main forum" for Bitcoin continues to take advertising dollars from a manufacturer that sells a product and doesn't deliver for a year. That makes it seem as if the forum is in on the scam. So is Bitcoin just a scam? It's enough to make new visitors to this site wonder. My question is still unanswered so I will rephrase. Why would any of you believe that BFL would give $200,000 dollars of conned money away because someone on a chat forum is bitchy or complains? No one is that stupid. Well, I'm giving about that much away on a forum for making a prank bet and trying to make up for it. There are apparently stupid people everywhere.  You are not giving away $200k for that stupid bet and if you are you're nuts. You know why I didn't bet against you back then? Because if you lost I knew you could never cover the bet and it be pointless to bet. You don't really believe I'm some sort of genius and I'm the only one that understood that do you? Everyone betting had to know you could never cover the bet and if they did lose 90% of them would have stiffed you anyway. You are a major fuck-up for pulling that shit but I don't just blame you. I blame the other parties too. You screwed your rep with all bitcoiners by doing that stupid stunt and made all the businesses that were working with you distance themselves. It really is a shame. A shame I'm paying for. That's the different between me and a scammer though, I make up for things when I make a mistake and I always make sure to pay back more than was borrowed. Money never interested me (imagine that, bitcoiners!) which is why I do not think of bitcoin like others here. I only care about building and being useful, and to me, making a bet and not paying for it removes my usefulness. It isn't even about money. BFL have removed their usefulness as well, but instead of paying to undo a mistake, they apparently decided to make more. |
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The forum is no longer associated with MtGox in any way.
Who owns it? |
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Your shtick is getting old man. Like you wouldn't do the same? No, I wouldn't do the same. I would ask for funds when I thought I needed them, use them for the intended purpose, and if that purpose were to fail, would return the funds as I always have. I understand you think I'm just barking because you don't know me or what I've accomplished in 2 years here in the community, but you're the newbie here, not me. There is no excuse for holding the funds for a year under the guise of a new forum software that has never even begun to be developed. |
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having unused accounts with admin privileges isn't good practice.
True dat. Almost as bad as having unused funds sitting around on a non-profit community forum and continuing to collect. |
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Wait, what? I'm doing accounting for The Conference? I guess I'll have to get off my butt and actually, uh, do... something?
For what it's worth, the money is still BFL's, regardless of what they said about giving it to charities, so I don't fault them for being picky about who gets it and not giving it to those they dislike. As long as it's not going back to them, I don't think it matters if they deny it to someone for personal reasons. The whole point of creating this fund was to help them improve their company image, so it's really up to them to pick which donations would improve it and which won't have any effect. I'm also not sure that The Conference really qualities as a needy cause. Or a charity.
Also, despite horrible business mistakes and fuckups, I don't consider BFL a scam at all. If only because they were always willing to give refunds, and I believe all their reasons for delays, especially since they were honest about making stupid mistakes to cause those delays. Badly run business? Yes. Scam? No. Maybe I'm just gullible. I'll also probably be buying from them once they catch up on backorders and start regular shipments.
No, they will not be giving away $200,000 because someone on the interwebz gets pissy or calls them names. They are not scammers. That name conjures up images of some snot nosed kid behind a keyboard playing video games and laughing about the couple of guys they suckered on a stupid forum. These guys are professional grifters that set out on a mission to swindle as many people as they can for as long as they can. If I were going to do a long con I would also refund a few people to keep up appearances and make up the lost funds by charging the remaining marks $300-$500 shipping (which is what they have done). I have to agree with Matthew on this one. It's very concerning that the supposedly "main forum" for Bitcoin continues to take advertising dollars from a manufacturer that sells a product and doesn't deliver for a year. That makes it seem as if the forum is in on the scam. So is Bitcoin just a scam? It's enough to make new visitors to this site wonder. My question is still unanswered so I will rephrase. Why would any of you believe that BFL would give $200,000 dollars of conned money away because someone on a chat forum is bitchy or complains? No one is that stupid. Well, I'm giving about that much away on a forum for making a prank bet and trying to make up for it. There are apparently stupid people everywhere. |
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I'd love a clarification from Theymos on that. I see many other people with the "staff" tag, but I seem to remember him being the only "admin", so I guess it's just his personal company site and the only thing keeping everyone's avatars turning into giant penises is because Theymos doesn't care to do it (and because there aren't enough people who do it on their own).
Looks like you didn't seen him https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2211But yeah, theymos is main, others are appointed by him. You're right, I saw that and completely forgot about it. That said, Stefan is far too busy to respond to Skype much less actually administer the forums. It's safe to say that Theymos is the only *active* admin, and the owner of the site. Where do you people get your information? Don't you ever read this forum? Mark Karpeles owns the forum and justmoon (Stefan Thomas) is the other admin with full rights and direct access to the database. Justmoon was to take over when theymos is away. Any funds collected would by rights belong to MagicalTux. I've never looked it up. Where did you get yours? I'd love to see proof of that because that would make me even more depressed at the state of things than I already am. |
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