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281  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: May 14, 2021, 05:58:04 AM
Official notification of infringement:

"In terms of the Threshold of Originality "coming from someone as the originator/author" I 'BitcoinFX' formally request that $BCH (Bitcoin Cash) and $BSV (BitcoinSV) cease and desist all use of my #Bitcoin #BTC logo design with immediate effect."
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_XBT/status/1392491186875666437

...

"Official notification (see above):

@BitcoinAssn
@CalvinAyre
 
@BitcoinCashA
@rogerkver

Your projects have copied my logo design and breach my Threshold of Originality.

Cease and desist.


The #Bitcoin #BTC logo is Orange with the "B" tilted right as per https://bitcoin.org "
- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_XBT/status/1392501147949223937

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... snip...

Re: Bitcoin Currency Symbol ฿, February 05, 2010
- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=41.msg243#msg243

I guess if we need to make it a bit more distinguishable then we could adopt the italic version. Grin

฿

...

Bitcoin Graphics in Vector Format (Illustrator), November 12, 2010
- https://bitcointalk.org/?topic=1756.0

File:Bitcoin logo.svg
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bitcoin_logo.svg

N.B. "This work includes material that may be protected as a trademark in some jurisdictions. If you want to use it, you have to ensure that you have the legal right to do so and that you do not infringe any trademark rights."

Also see:

Commons:Threshold of originality
- https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Threshold_of_originality

- https://twitter.com/BitcoinFX_XBT/status/1392491692155080704
- https://decrypt.co/43923/bitcoins-logo-the-story-of-the-big-orange-b

Bitcoin is BTC at: https://bitcoin.org and https://bitcoincore.org

I had no idea ~BfX~.  I thought Craig designed it.  Props.  Gotta Stalk you a lil’ mo’.

Alwys Did like YOU.  And your socks.  Lol

You’re not an OG Without socks.  Lol

- sock master blaster


From Craig there might be the oldest BC logo

but hu, the pudding is in the White Paper Wink
282  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: May 14, 2021, 05:55:34 AM

https://www.forexcrunch.com/worlds-largest-crypto-exchange-binance-reportedly-under-investigation-by-irs-and-doj/

Will they delist Elon Musk now ?

 Cheesy

BSV still best and most efficient electronic Cash System on the planet

and just original Bitcoin
283  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: May 14, 2021, 05:46:01 AM
Neben der Nachhaltigkeitspleite / Elon

noch das

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-13/binance-probed-by-u-s-as-money-laundering-tax-sleuths-bore-in


https://www.coindesk.com/tether-first-reserve-composition-report-usdt

und das ist noch nicht mal vernünftig attestiert ... Also backed by T-shirts (und USDT selber) - was ein joke
284  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: May 13, 2021, 02:19:23 PM
Granted means a lot

https://coingeek.com/2021-and-the-btc-end-game/


https://coingeek.com/craig-wright-granted-permission-to-serve-bitcoin-developers-in-landmark-suit/



The end?
285  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Satoshi Vision - Unmoderated Thread on: May 13, 2021, 02:17:09 PM
BSV already won

https://coingeek.com/2021-and-the-btc-end-game/

286  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: May 12, 2021, 01:00:04 PM
Das könnte auch kursrelevant werden

https://uk.ontier.net/news/2371/ontier-serves-claim-against-bitcoin-developers-to-recover-4billion-worth-of-bitcoin/en/

287  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2021-05-08] Bitcoin’s dirty little secret: It’s not easy being green on: May 12, 2021, 07:14:59 AM
Only if ppl use Bitcoin for all sorts of electronic interactions of value - Bitcoin is sustainable

I am supportive of the people who want bitcoin as a form of digital cash, however, it cannot be because of its monetary policy. Everyone should accept that it is a great success as a form of speculative investment and asset for value growth during bull markets.

There was one small line of code Satoshi was told to inject - and had beed set to get phased out later: max_block_size - a capacity (limiting) parameter

That's just not needed at all, but still cripples btc - not bsv

It just makes Bitcoin fully efficient - and nobody would argue about energy any more

I was talking about bitcoin’s monetary policy. The size of the blocks is only a small part of why bitcoin is being used substantially as a speculative investment than a real currency.

Wei Dai has written about this on 2013.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/P9jggxRZTMJcjnaPw/bitcoins-are-not-digital-greenbacks

Also, BSV is a scam and you are being annoying. Stop mentioning this in discussions.

BSV is just clean refactorerd Bitcoin - worth mentioning - but also sustainable cause it scales

Not scaling is the dirty part - as well as the try to censor
288  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: May 12, 2021, 06:16:33 AM
Ppl start thinking

no eth needed

no crap in bitcoin

https://coingeek.com/rafael-laverde-argues-for-bitcoin-sv-in-miami-block-size-debate/

just big blocks
289  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: May 11, 2021, 07:40:42 AM
Check out if you missing

https://coingeek.com/what-happened-to-bsv-coins-left-in-binance-wallets-after-2019/

290  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2021-05-08] Bitcoin’s dirty little secret: It’s not easy being green on: May 11, 2021, 07:28:41 AM
Only if ppl use Bitcoin for all sorts of electronic interactions of value - Bitcoin is sustainable

I am supportive of the people who want bitcoin as a form of digital cash, however, it cannot be because of its monetary policy. Everyone should accept that it is a great success as a form of speculative investment and asset for value growth during bull markets.

There was one small line of code Satoshi was told to inject - and had beed set to get phased out later: max_block_size - a capacity (limiting) parameter

That's just not needed at all, but still cripples btc - not bsv

It just makes Bitcoin fully efficient - and nobody would argue about energy any more
291  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Bitcoin Cash - Pro on-chain scaling - Cheaper fees on: May 11, 2021, 07:24:58 AM
unbounded scaling and stable protocol just does it better by far on BSV - not  where abc devs wanted to keep powers

With SmartBCH we might be able to bring the EVMs to BCH Smiley

Get ready to compete with stable original Bitcoin - unbounded scaling  Wink
292  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2021-05-08] Bitcoin’s dirty little secret: It’s not easy being green on: May 10, 2021, 02:07:34 PM
Only if ppl use Bitcoin for all sorts of electronic interactions of value - Bitcoin is sustainable
293  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: May 10, 2021, 06:42:36 AM
So you call the ecosystem BSV healthy and legal. Let me laugh Embarrassed

https://twitter.com/iamZatoshi/status/1391096037067083777



Legal & compliant 'devs' and embedded system into our existing frame matter (why you care on some tweets here - are they real or a meme like doge and more fake crap out there ?)

see what happens if things getting debunked

https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/1391482757792997383

- here on btc noothing seems to be really sustainable - not for legal (pending) nor energy consumption ( crippled use )
294  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: May 07, 2021, 01:33:23 PM
Liest eigentlich jemand von euch den Kraken Newsletter

Ja. Und über was willst du diskutieren?



Also können die dezentralisierten Finanzen auch auf Bitcoin aufbauen?

Klar. Wenn die vom-Magazin-Kontraste-betitelten "Chefentwickler" das implementieren wollen.

Hast du ein Link zu diesem Magazin? Wäre interessant mehr darüber zu lesen. Bisher hört man davon nur sehr wenig aber wenn das implementiert werden würde, wäre das ein Grund für Preis +50% mindestens?

Das war hier drinn

https://www.daserste.de/information/politik-weltgeschehen/kontraste/videosextern/klimakiller-bitcoin-102.html

und - ja die Entwickler müssen eigentlich nix machen (ausser alles wieder ausbauen / code refaktoren / magic number max_block_size wech  - gibt's auch schon - ist aber nicht BTC)
295  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: -- The Riddle of the Twin Brothers - Who Were, Are and Will Rule the World! on: May 07, 2021, 01:28:20 PM

Just a heads up for the insignificantos.  Remember in 2017, all exchanges were overwhelmed and it took in many cases for muppets weeks to open accounts.  

Herein lies the problem. This boom will be the biggest mother of alt booms.  The above coins have low volume, most have been forgotten by the insignificant idiot masses.  As a result they were delisted from most exchanges. Greed over quality work.  Freicoin in a way became a niche exchange freely listing old but legit coins with active good devs.  

If I’m right it will take you weeks to open an account if those old coins moon and they will moon fast cause their age and low supply many were lost and they’re a nitroglycerin type coins and I may just be the one who lights the fuse.  

Open an account on freiexchange dot com NOW (simple clean exchange takes 5 minutes) and transfer whatever btc you’re comfortable with in case btc chain gets bogged down or freezes up.  You don’t have to buy anything just have your 12 gauge locked and loaded.  Then if I’m right you’ll be amongst the first to pull the trigger.  

Freiexchange is on telegram.  Old coin, legit devs from Norway.  No KYC right now for you criminals.  Lol

Telegram freiexchange.  Very active high skilled devs.  https://t.me/freiexchange

You’re welcome, ungrateful rats.  Titanic rats not welcome, your destiny is to watch as you lose all your btc you corrupt, greedy bastards.  You simply can’t launder your drug and porn money with $30 volume.  Trust me, I’ve tried.  😬


- Mr Knowitall



Haha, yes boring mony got turned into porn

never needed more popcorn watching such

 Cheesy
296  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: -- The Riddle of the Twin Brothers - Who Were, Are and Will Rule the World! on: May 07, 2021, 10:56:30 AM
Leaking insider info ?

https://twitter.com/CobraBitcoin/status/1390007008766697475

Quote
Yes, we're in a bubble. Yes, many of you will lose a lot of money. No, it's not different this time.

Thsts common sense but first the mother of all bubbles.  Most alts haven’t mooned.  We need to see 2-3 months of stupid buying and people saying they’re geniuses and your pet hamster wanting to invest.  That’s peak.  And yeah, then total collapse after that.  Let’s see where btc goes this third Friday.  That’s a big tell. 


yes - after a monster all time high - there is only long bear market possible, this logic holds Wink
297  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: May 07, 2021, 10:19:47 AM
Was haltet ihr von der Befürchtung, dass die Großinvestoren verstärkt auf Ethereum setzen und Bitcoin gegenüber Ethereum an Relevanz verliert?
Ist das mit technischen Grundlagen zu rechtfertigen? Ethereum wirkt noch immer sehr bastelig, dass die Entwickler nicht so richtig wissen, ob das funktioniert, was sie da vorhaben.
Meinungen?


Protokolle lassen mehr zu, haben mehr Freiheiten für Anwendungen on-top, skalieren besser wenn:

sie einfacher sind

stabil bleiben

definiert


Bitcoin KANN das alles jetzt schon. ETH nie
298  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: High transaction fees on: May 07, 2021, 08:42:58 AM
Demerited by BlackHatCoiner (2)

There are just so many things I disagree with this message, that I'll have to demerit it.  Lips sealed


Thanks for the Demerits, I shall Cherish them.  Cheesy

1.  LN is overly Complicated.
Your opinion? That's clearly something personal. It surely is complicated for someone who doesn't know how to use Bitcoin, but someone who does? I'd rather say that he/she just lacks interest in it to say that.

Bitcoin is easy to use , for even the moderate PC person.
LN is the stuff , where you have to be a super nerd to even mess with.
This is not the majority of people.


2.  Losing your Bitcoins when LN is a real possibility if you don't follow the overly complicated rules of LN.
Once you open a channel you're locking your funds on a multi-sig address that requires both signatures to spend from. Every time you transact off-chain, you sign your final balance and you're free to broadcast it whether your node wants it or not. So, how can you lose money if you "don't follow the overly complicated rules"?

https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/91211/how-can-someone-lose-funds-in-lightning-network
You lose your partner's revocation keys:
You lose the commitment transactions:
Losing funds from going offline

Random Bugs, not sure if the one below has been fixed yet.
https://bitcoinerx.com/bitcoin/90-of-bitcoins-on-the-lightning-network-could-be-lost-to-attackers-following-current-lightening-implementation-research-says/

Nothing a Super Nerd would worry over, but more than the rest of us will waste time with,  Smiley

3.  Using an EXchange offchain transactions is cheaper and easier than LN.
But you don't have bitcoins. Your exchange keeps the keys, so they own them.

So, I only leave the amount on the exchange, that I plan on spending.
No one should ever keep all of their eggs in 1 basket.
However if the exchange was reputable , and they lose my coins, I can sue them for damages.
So I can get something back.

If I lose my Funds in LN for any of the reasons mentioned earlier,
who do I sue, No one, it is just gone as a sacrifice to the crypto deity.


4.  Altcoins like Doge do what Bitcoin used to do, except faster and cheaper.
You do get that the block confirmation time of dogecoin has its downsides, don't you? If the block generation happens that fast, it makes decentralization harder to achieve.

I get most bitcoiners believe that,
but to me it is a line of BS.

Artificially limiting BTC onchain network , so that I can claim 12 year old kids are running full nodes and keeping the network less centralized is just plain wrong.
No matter 1 or 1 billion non-mining full nodes, it has zero effect on decentralization, because all they do is relay, they don't validate ,
so this virtue is pure imagination on the part of bitcoiners, kind of you have to believe it to join the bitcoiner cult.
This one confusion of the english language causes so many bitcoiners to repeat the decentralization myth.
Validation only occurs , when a transaction is added to a new block , only mining nodes can add new blocks , so only they validate.
Non-mining nodes, can't add new blocks all they can do is relay blocks, which is why 1 non-mining node is as good as a billion, since all they do is relay blocks.
If this makes no sense to you, no worries just means you are a loyal bitcoiner that does not question blockstream.  Wink



LN is no real solution, the altcoins such as Doge, have more onchain transaction capacity ,
so in the end they are better for actually using as digital money.
Lightning Network is a solution. It is very practical to transact off-chain for small micro-payments instead of broadcasting them all one-by-one in the block chain. Can you please understand that once you broadcast a transaction it gets saved on hundreds of thousands of computers world wide? You can't really believe that broadcasting a transaction every time you want a coffee is a solution, because this isn't VISA. This is the Bitcoin network and decentralization costs. The Lightning Network is the closest thing we have to accomplish the scaling issue.

I get you think LN is the solution.
Personally , I don't.

The only way it becomes a solution , is if you pay a bank to credit you with capital on their LN channels, and when finished they let you cash out in fiat. Notice at no point , do you actually buy or sell bitcoin in the above scenario. That is the only way you avoid the overly high transaction fees to open and close LN channels. But theses are just my opinions. In time, all will be apparent.  Smiley


FYI:
https://coingeek.com/lightning-strikes-out/
Quote
Hebrew University professors have disclosed another attack on Lightning Network,
but that is far from the first problem that BTC’s alleged “scaling solution,” has experienced this year.
Five years after the network launched, Lightning Network is still in a perpetual beta phase wrought with bugs, CVEs and frequent zero-day attacks that Bitcoin was created to solve in 2008.
But they persist on the network designed to steal Bitcoin transactions, process them for free by avoiding proof of work,
and the engineers claim Lightning solves Bitcoin’s supposed short-comings by (wait for it…) adding exponential complexity on a separate ledger.


+

So many things are gettin sold under the name of Bitcoin

but just is not Bitcoin

'high fees' for electronic cash to use is just one of it
299  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: May 07, 2021, 06:44:26 AM
Holla

Im Land der unbegrenzten Möglichkeiten - nun kommunistische Züge

https://www.btc-echo.de/news/new-york-bringt-mining-verbot-auf-den-weg-118027/


Wenn Bitcoin nicht nachhaltige Verwendung findet ( die devs eher gegen Skalierung aber für Anonymität > Pro Scams arbeiten) kann man nicht mehr helfen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqxjUE5K6Wg

Dann wird auch der Report in ARD nicht besser - und Mining Verbote / End-zu-End Encryption Verbote / BTC Verbot kommt schneller als man glaubt


https://www.daserste.de/information/politik-weltgeschehen/kontraste/videosextern/klimakiller-bitcoin-102.html

300  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: May 06, 2021, 03:20:12 PM
finde ich immer wieder witzig, wie man den jetzigen Marktverlauf krampfhaft mit dem von 2010/2013/2017 vergleicht. Das ist doch mittlerweile ein(e) komplett anderes Kaliber/Situation/Umfeld mit ungleich mehr (Big) Playern und steigender Tendenz. Im Prinzip wie "Frida's Büchershop" vs "Amazon". Disclaimer: just my 2 cent.
Nun, das Problem ist, dass Bitcoin generell schwer zu bewerten ist. Es steht ja anders als bei Aktien z.B. keine Dividendenpolitik o.ä. dahinter, die man vergleichen könnte. Fundamentaldaten wie die Userzahl oder die Zahl bzw. Wichtigkeit Bitcoin akzeptierender Unternehmen können z.B. nur grob geschätzt werden.

Du bist also in der Lage durch Dividendenbeträge auf Kurse zu schließen? Dann schau doch mal in Deine Glaskugel wo Ether liegen müsste mit der netten Rendite beim POS. Grobe Schätzung reicht.

Für mich nur eine Frage der Zeit bis das Flipenning kommt. Bitcoin ist nur eine Art "Währung" oder Wertespeicher, Ethereum ist hingegen eine Plattform. Jeder Erstsemester Student der Wirtschaftswissenschaften wird Dir sagen können,
dass potentielle Erfolge von Plattformen ins unermässliche steigen können. Wozu also "EINE" Währung halten, wenn man die PLattform aller "Währungen" halten kann.
Der Blocktrainer spricht öfter über ein mögliches Sicherheitsproblem, das bei Ethereum durch POS entstehen kann. Meines Wissens nach ist es nicht möglich zu sehen, wer wie viele Coins besitzt und so würde eine Zentralisierung von mehr als 50% unbemerkt bleiben. Gerade mit Blick auf sehr große Exchanges scheint mir das ein durchaus berechtigter Punkt zu sein. ich bin aber nicht tief in der Materie darum meine Frage: Kannst du diesen Punkt widerlegen?

Besonders im Hinblick auf Werterhalt ist die Sicherheit des Netzwerkes das wichtigste, darum bin ich Bitcoin-Maximalist  Smiley

PoS: Zentralisierung - fette Oligarchen werden fetter, sie müssen ja auch nix mehr investieren in Mining-Fabriken + Infrastrukturen, das macht diese auch noch anonymer ... fishy. Jeder kann sich mal kurz ausmalen, wohin das führen wird, nee - dann bitte offenes physisches Mining - Bitcoin ist offen und PoW war das, was hier wirklich das Double-Spending bzw Problem der Byzantinischen Generäle ökonomisch gelöst bekommen hat.

PoS ist da ein Schritt zurück, angetrieben von den Walen, die sich zur Ruhe setzen wollen, um fetter zu werden denn je - möglichst ohne physische oder gar regulatorische Risiken (anonym...)

 
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