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1061  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: May 21, 2020, 09:15:27 PM
Die Information kannst du in der Blockchain nachschauen.

 Cheesy ne echt jetzt.


Wer beobachtet denn ständig "Antike" Adressen? Da wird es wohl eine Webpage zu geben die dann ein Alert erzeugt.

Ist doch spannend

https://mobile.twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1263167631076364288

Also eine Adresse aus CWs tullip trust.
Wenn ich auf seinem Niveau Spielchen spielen wollte würde ich da auch Adressen angeben die ich kontrolliere und behaupten ich kontrolliere sie (noch) nicht um sie dann zu bewegen und Verblüffung auszulösen.
Noch wahrscheinlicher ist aber, dass er einfach irgendwelche alten Adressen angegeben hat die lange nicht angerührt wurden.
An für sich ist eher keine Aufregung wert...finde ich.


Nee, offenbar doch nicht aus dem trust

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/kleiman-v-wright/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

Aber man will es offenbar nicht öffentlich lesen lassen seitens Ira / Kläger


Hier mal 'reinlesen' ist aber recht interessant... die Story kann man nicht erfinden

Leider wird es bisher in fast allen Crypto-Medien 'weg-getrollt'. Man muss selbst die Sourcen nachsehen
1062  Economy / Economics / Re: Coinbase from February 2009 has just been moved! on: May 21, 2020, 09:10:44 PM
The latest list doesn't contain that very block anymore, but plaintiffs just wanted that emergency sealed...

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/kleiman-v-wright/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc
1063  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: May 21, 2020, 07:42:09 PM
Things getting deeper

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/kleiman-v-wright/?filed_after=&filed_before=&entry_gte=&entry_lte=&order_by=desc

There will be a coming out of some third (gov related)person next to Dave and Craig

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/6309656/511/21/kleiman-v-wright/
About p200 or so

But, BitCoin just works , no matter who that is
1064  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Craig wright found to have plagiarized his PhD-not really a doctor of anything on: May 21, 2020, 07:38:23 PM
It is rather funny inregards to revealing about the address of one of the old bitcoins being moved yesterday saying it was the founder bitcoin who has those keys, it was a bitcoin address listed as one in the tulip trust inwhich phoney PhD man had put in his 400 page presentation to the court.
https://i.ibb.co/kc1nqGJ/Clipboard0666.jpg

Someone please make a meme of him saying "Urrgggh... yeah I moved those coins. So I am satoshi!"  Roll Eyes

the 'extra nonce' increments of mining that blocks coin reward shows it was not one of the sequences of true satoshi miner
so craig claiming it was part of the (proved empty) tulip trust. just makes it double funny that he didnt even have the smarts to limit the 'trust' text file of public addresses to actual coins that the actual satoshi mined.


There is a statement to that

https://coingeek.com/craig-wright-statement-about-moving-satoshi-coins/

And more you better read out of the court docs. Yes it is a lot, but the best source atm
1065  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 21, 2020, 07:03:08 AM
Sad and humbling at the same time. Bitcoin has weathered a global pandemic with remarkable strength...yet look at the reaction this is garnering from moving just 50 coin.

One has to wonder at the timing of the move..sure seems to have cooled off the market in a quick hurry.


It just shows how small Bitcoin (still) is. You feel every wave on a life raft, not on an oil tanker. There are many and bigger waves to come (MtGox coins, government involvement, the occasional sprinkle of China FUD, etc).
Slowly however Bitcoin grows and the impact of external events diminishes, which is already noticeable today compared to two halvings ago.


Edit: https://twitter.com/coinmetrics/status/1263150657848172551


Haha, so nice to see latency of that alert,  so whales had a lot of time

 Roll Eyes
1066  Economy / Economics / Re: Coinbase from February 2009 has just been moved! on: May 21, 2020, 06:59:59 AM
Some of the excuses from shitcoiners on twitter are cringy AF:

https://mobile.twitter.com/evilrobotted/status/1263207621491908609

Quote
@evilrobotted
Replying to @CalvinAyre and @adam3us
Just a thought... maybe it IS Craig and he doesn't want the miners to collude against him since they'd blacklist his coins if they found out it was him. So he says it wasn't him.

Not saying this theory is true. But it's possible.

What's preventing the evil miners from blacklisting the whole tulip fucking trust then?

I guess there is no need of a confirmed transaction to proof ownership. Just broadcasting a valid transaction of a single satoshi in the mempool would suffice to proof ownership of private keys.
Just remembers that miners don't validate the transaction, a transaction is validated by network node who check it and broadcast if respects the protocol rules.
Miners only include transaction in blocks (of course miners validate the transaction themselves, like any other nodes just to avoid putting an invalid transaction in their block thus invalidating the whole block).

Even without any transaction CGW could sign a message with that address to proof ownership.

In addition to that, there is a fee high enough to break any cartel.

So, yes, facepalm for shitcoiners.



True, for shitcoin / shitLN and shit exchanges or shit business there is no kyc check needed, not even for such high amounts


 Roll Eyes
1067  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: May 21, 2020, 06:56:20 AM
...snip...

Is anyone keeping count of the other listed Tulip addresses that have moved? I presume they're slowly adding up as time goes by.

Twitter thread ...

"Craig Wright - Tulip Trust. Done. Over and Out.

The moment we have all been waiting for: the total and utter destruction of the Tulip Trust Bitcoin list by Ira's counsel.

Irony has it that Craig just filed the Declarations of Stefan Boedeker and Andreas Antonopoulos himself."




- https://twitter.com/MyLegacyKit/status/1259231531874373633

That is just a snipped of one of the declarations.  There is no actual declaration or attachment that is linked anywhere that i have seen, so far.

Doesn't matter

They are claimed to be potentially part of the tulip trust, so nothing to see here except trolls making something up - walls of text...

1068  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: May 20, 2020, 10:26:19 PM


  Oooops Grin Did Satoshi just move Craig Wright's Bitcoins cb1440c787d8a46977886405a34da89939e1b04907f567bf182ef27ce53a8d71
2020-05-20 12:54







Lol, nice hack
1069  Economy / Economics / Re: Coinbase from February 2009 has just been moved! on: May 20, 2020, 07:10:30 PM
No, it wasn't him

https://mobile.twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1263167631076364288
1070  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 20, 2020, 07:08:17 PM
Also interesting is the mix of Legacy, Segwit and even BECH32 addresses this person is sending to...


The ~10 BTC went to these addresses:

3CPzatF5fHrda6SaJVnpsdM8ReunbhRYyd
0.00187200 BTC
32iioP88ffnQDUtQLgR2TeneK2RiNGjhtC
0.00092153 BTC
3N2z27HFzXLYNG2QtGiA1g8hzTwsLQjq1w
0.06425733 BTC
3466SWLR6wpswrCPWE7a6Gj7uSooWZA8dT
0.05126691 BTC
35WMsAG58119ye6FTd9ZkAMNZvrbHYrLHX
0.05111927 BTC
3BZ6fs86Q15kdAc8oTRsCXkUeQwJy7ARni
0.05604558 BTC
3LShdLyqZjCQJswWgex4PhGe5dnKPRC8Zx
0.00933665 BTC
32cA24MhovP8n3X8jpE6yARNgopnHVKi2S
0.04902684 BTC
3DFTcAnKCmLNz2Jw536k2kY6s1gwHe9JgN
0.00854000 BTC
36dGaGoULgTfLd3dqchvVt59TzuZ8A8HoR
0.00625983 BTC
1PqtE1V8EFPuN7jZf5zbe51at6GUUGrzxk
0.00226604 BTC
3QUwi2im7fedo8k3gNPs2qqtQcwYWkBU38
0.00024582 BTC
3JgrmCVDYpaYcWTPvKS2M5eN8MTuyS8wDN
0.00290000 BTC
3BrSh4hEZDvSkLCrrZZCYS47HDxMXN82jE
0.03477264 BTC
1GsVi5eTabfGz8Kkgs81UNRnv7WgEbr5KK
0.56343415 BTC
13v6cuXtSRwdm1yB2hCR9zsUBsSjF9Nrqq
0.31869107 BTC
1LjXYEQjmDvfzNKhvkb4P3HX73kK9ZXMbK
0.00639900 BTC
3Md17Vpawc8nd1yBaUzmxKLmL9Lm8gRy7m
0.02487816 BTC
1BCvhXjnrBcZmXNA5RAi4kg71fJLVsSiNr
0.01000000 BTC
bc1qv7vgajsy5d723uh63pxy3jg544aas4m7fkg87l
7.81380577 BTC
3Go4fXMoPHrkdPZaSpzNKvmGitEYKeGucL
0.01279741 BTC
1MfuwUBUrr6jx1hGPDLZkL59BhNV6E9SpU
0.00100000 BTC
3PEwSBxNj5tgmTAq6fFcfv9F3buz1Gk8fJ
0.00141571 BTC
3Ma2dFy5adxrt29MTrf7hEFtdSZ6YRe95W
0.00024059 BTC
39zZae7YnHW1cDGkjpaeknFaNYg9LEfAta
0.00511489 BTC
3L6kLgQYxxZxxSDEfFZmQNCGFDmb1DPgNr
0.02131954 BTC
1Fvbcyua3ioz1wWuLxbn83CBKKAqvww1x3
0.00230133 BTC
bc1qcqmapaez424zkdsv9lcd43xzumr5nr4uq4r4xc
0.87223930 BTC
33UZ4L9DrVPJsaqvhFdfm4vhPAC2aYvGCL
0.00044788 BTC
38jm767yhx3gszUTkJVmpRXkXRVyt3narh
0.00481582 BTC

This a mix of Legacy 1x Segwit 3x and native segwit bcX addresses.

And only two of them bech32.  With one of those getting 78% of the 10.

Of course this also might be the payee moving these, as has been mentioned this could be a 20% cut.  But how strange that would be.




Maybe to show to the world how messy btc got after Satoshi left?

Sigh
1071  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 20, 2020, 07:05:59 PM
Changed my summer holiday last night due to COVID19, we were due to stay in a villa in Tenerife. It was free to edit the holiday with the same company so to be safe I said to the girl to rebook for April 2021, I let the girl loose with the booking reference & when I ask where she booked she answers Mexico & it’s an extra £2500.

Fucking women, I hope r0ach doesn’t see this post.

When $10,000?

Id ve asked her to book a date when all accept Bitcoin to pay

than 10K

 then

 Than is used for comparison, then is used for time.  What you wrote can make sense using either then or than but they have entirely different meanings.

 Of course I could be mistaken in what you meant to say; it's better then than than then.

A hat-maker with an engwish teaching side gig, or the other way around?

Who proclaimed that jacks-of-all-trades had gone extinct?

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Ooops, not my fav, spelling

But how could you be so picky? You accept Segwit as scaling...


Better comment on that one here


https://mobile.twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1263167631076364288

1072  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: May 20, 2020, 06:58:08 PM
You keep trying to claim that a protocol is the same thing as a software implementation. You just look stupider and stupider every time you do so.

I never claimed that. You claimed that I claimed it.  

Yeah? Then WTF is this?:
However, it is the only such that has forked itself back into near compliance with the original definition (i.e. the definitive definition) of the Bitcoin protocol.

This is simply a tired talking point with no technical basis. Looking at the current BSV GitHub repository:

gmaxwell - 144 commits
deadalnix (Sechet) - 766 commits
sepa (Wuille) - 835 commits

Your coin was largely built by Blockstream and Bitcoin Cash devs, and it remains that way.

You are quite clearly attempting to refute my point about relative fidelity to satoshi's protocol with some irrelevant claim about attributed lines of code - in other words, trying to use some aspect of a software implementation in a disucssion about protocol.

Huh, I didn't think you could fork protocols. I admit I didn't know that previously.

Regardless, BSV's "forking of the protocol back into near compliance with the original definition" is your opinion, and nothing more. You're playing a meaningless game of "gotcha" in order to avoid confronting the reality that, in addition to being on an entirely different chain twice removed from the original, your coin's implementation of the Bitcoin PROTOCOL contains stuff that renders it incompatible with the original implementation of the PROTOCOL.

Shall we next discuss the fork needed to deal with the creation of billions of BTC?

OK, let's discuss it. The problem was fixed via soft fork. Anything else you want to bring up from 10 years ago?

You cannot just inject fancy stuff like Segshit or rbf into smtp / VoIP / FTP ... whatever and hope everyone buys that as being compliant after such , cause you kept the initial logo (ticker) that keeps some noisy idiots, anonymous,  criminals and a herd of nuti-noobs with fancy hats 'using' that crap

Better ask a layer before coming to financial world

This is more of interest right now


https://mobile.twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1263167631076364288
1073  Local / Trading und Spekulation / Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf on: May 20, 2020, 06:49:01 PM
Die Information kannst du in der Blockchain nachschauen.

 Cheesy ne echt jetzt.


Wer beobachtet denn ständig "Antike" Adressen? Da wird es wohl eine Webpage zu geben die dann ein Alert erzeugt.

Ist doch spannend

https://mobile.twitter.com/CalvinAyre/status/1263167631076364288
1074  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [2018-06-21] No one should have that power - Charlie Shrem slams EOS fund freeze on: May 20, 2020, 09:30:30 AM

Big (central) whales always make money by cheating average joes - so better to regulate that crap, for a reason

Some minimal rules are here to have better society - but sure, better control the rules and the 'makers',

that can be done best, by transparent open blockchain - like Bitcoin


Bitcoin was designed as a perfect open (not by gov or other central guys designed / governed)  accounting ledger, for a reason


But sure, it needs to be embedded into existing rules, or it never gets bootstrapped
1075  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 20, 2020, 09:27:17 AM
Changed my summer holiday last night due to COVID19, we were due to stay in a villa in Tenerife. It was free to edit the holiday with the same company so to be safe I said to the girl to rebook for April 2021, I let the girl loose with the booking reference & when I ask where she booked she answers Mexico & it’s an extra £2500.

Fucking women, I hope r0ach doesn’t see this post.

When $10,000?

Id ve asked her to book a date when all accept Bitcoin to pay

than 10K
1076  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 20, 2020, 09:23:09 AM
Pretty much everyone knows about bitcoin,

Pretty much everyone has heard of Bitcoin. That's a rather different thing. Doesn't help that 85% of what they 'know' about Bitcoin is utter bollocks.

Cmon you ve heard about quantum mechanics - right ?

 Grin
1077  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [BSV] [Bitcoin SV] Original Satoshi Vision on: May 20, 2020, 08:44:13 AM
I've just "released" an Bitcoin SV dependencies immersive diagram, feel free to check it here: https://twitter.com/freecircle4/status/1262885781334564864

Nice pictures

I d start with Bitcoin Rules / Protocol Design / White Paper - from that you start impl any code (or if you code first, you need to use nice docu tools to generate specifications backwards - guess that is what happens in the rush of getting things done and running)
1078  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: -- The Riddle of the Twin Brothers - Who Were, Are and Will Rule the World! on: May 20, 2020, 08:37:09 AM
Lol, you got a nice trust decoration for not following the maxi well herd

 Cheesy

I saw that, haha.  Too bad cause I like Gmax, Luke, Blue hair dude and the core crew.  I was gonna even hire them in any position they wanted once btc self destructed into the iceberg of reality.  All the rats are on-board and the Titanic is nearly ready For the main event.  I’m speculating we’ll see a spectacular boom to $50k+ This year then sudden utter destruction and the rise of the PhoenIX



How will a (current) merge-mined coin be able to stand on its own?

Economics and (self-) regulation will kill most of them

This, which should start this year.  And I do I also believe widespread 51 attacks.  That’s when network security will finally become evident as a true main feature which 99% of the coins do NOT have.  We should see a sudden overnight flight to safety. 


Oh - I agree it will start ( has already, but not much recogned) - except the 51 attacks. But who you think will 'attack' at that size of business and risk to get sues for such ?

and where is the real safety? Gold again ?
1079  Economy / Speculation / Re: Long term advance notice! on: May 20, 2020, 08:30:02 AM
Child prodigy theoretical physicist Luboš Motl engaged AnonyMint in discussion on Quora about the future of Bitcoin. The discussion began here:

http://archive.is/https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-for-Bitcoin-to-completely-shut-down/answer/Lubo%C5%A1-Motl/comment/95846451

Here was AnonyMint’s latest reply:

Thanks for engaging in discussion.

I presume you grok topology, deterministic chaos theory and the underlying fractal basis of nature more deeply than I do.

Finally We May Have a Path to the Fundamental Theory of Physics…  and It’s Beautiful—Stephen Wolfram Writings

Note Wolfram admits his theory isn’t falsifiable, but that’s because a universal T.O.E. must model the multiverse.

I’ll refer to a historical log chart for BTC/USD with my annotations:

Long term advance notice!

That chart is telling us that Bitcoin will go to $1 million by 2021/22, yet how is it at this time of increasing leftist government totalitarianism (i.e. the corona virus plaNdemic hoax) that Bitcoin becomes a safe haven?

The hypothetical explanation in the above linked post. It’s necessary to understand what imparts the valuation to Bitcoin per the blogs I’ve linked from the above linked post. Oh yeah for sure most of the Bitcoins are going to be sequestered by the governments sending the valuation of those which are not sequestered to the moon. You’re ostensibly not aware of all the requisite details. There are two types of Bitcoins: Core and legacy. Core Bitcoins have an address that begins with `3` or `bc1`; whereas, legacy Bitcoins start with a `1`. There will be a bifurcation that becomes acute perhaps by November and ultimately nobody is going to accept the Bitcoins which were recovered as “stolen” donations:

Our Bitcoins Will Be Taken/Frozen By the Miners; Involuntary INCOME Tax on Frozen Bitcoin!

Indeed the government does sometimes confiscate wealth. And this Darwinism produces the globalist elite who manipulate the governments (in order to protect their wealth). Yet this phenomenon unfortunately also opens the door for psychopath[1] $billionaires to REKT the entire economy as a certain one which I will not name is doing now. Note that the collective resource is a power vacuum that requires it be managed by power:

Some Iron Laws of Political Economics

You were a child prodigy theoretical physicist. You’ve got more raw, mental processing power than I do. But the devil is in the details. You need to open your mind and learn more about what you don’t know. The smartest individuals are humbled by how much they don’t know.

[1] The correct term is not sociopath.

with this part , I fear old Shelby's coming back to sanity, cause that is pretty much correctly analysed

Quote

Craig Wright recently warned that global coordination such as via the intergovernmental global agency Financial Action Task Force (FATF) will force the miners to freeze Bitcoins which were involved in crime. Craig made the very specific prediction that the Bitcoin of Chinese fentanyl dealers to be frozen in 2020. In August of this year Trump’s administration announced that Chinese drug lords are using Bitcoin. Remember China wants a trade deal and their help with impeding the flow of fentanyl to the USA is one of Trump’s demands.

They will destroy us both with income taxes for the involuntary airdrop, the inability to spend after the attack because blocks will be full of donated SegWit tokens, and then later the FATF will declare that all SegWit lineage coins must be frozen because they possibly were involved in off-chain Lightning Networks (LN) crap which is not fully traceable! Ah fuck! Why did I not think of that. Now I totally understand what Craig has been warning[foaming at the mouth] about.

Miners / their corporations have grown such that regulators kick in - the raspi no2x army has lost that hash-war (lol - cause they have 0-PoW) and miners must comply with rules incl AML / travel rules .... so they getting towards payment processors (regged - like TAAL
 or REKT by govs / economics).

sure - all the criminals / anonymous do not like that - but who likes them?
1080  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: -- The Riddle of the Twin Brothers - Who Were, Are and Will Rule the World! on: May 20, 2020, 06:06:21 AM
Lol, you got a nice trust decoration for not following the maxi well herd

 Cheesy

I saw that, haha.  Too bad cause I like Gmax, Luke, Blue hair dude and the core crew.  I was gonna even hire them in any position they wanted once btc self destructed into the iceberg of reality.  All the rats are on-board and the Titanic is nearly ready For the main event.  I’m speculating we’ll see a spectacular boom to $50k+ This year then sudden utter destruction and the rise of the PhoenIX



How will a (current) merge-mined coin be able to stand on its own?

Economics and (self-) regulation will kill most of them
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