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3021  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: That's the end of the altcoins glory? on: March 17, 2013, 07:26:10 PM
Litecoin will prosper. There's not much room for another one, unless it's something innovative like PPCoin. Cheap knockoffs like TRC or NVC are ultimately destined for the scrapheap.
3022  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PPC] PPCoin Released! - First Long-Term Energy-Efficient Crypto-Currency on: March 17, 2013, 06:48:40 PM
Guys, please... if you have no bigger issues. A fancy name won't make the coin fly. And if it flies, the name doesn't matter. As far as I am concerned the name could be Crapcoin, and I would treat it the same.

No coin called Crapcoin would ever become massive.  Roll Eyes
3023  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: TRC volume passes LTC on Vircurex on: March 17, 2013, 06:46:53 PM
Down she goes

3024  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Scrypt Mem usage/ CPU power tradeoff on: March 17, 2013, 06:38:03 PM
It will take a computer science breakthrough to find a way to beat this trade off.
3025  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [PPC] PPCoin Released! - First Long-Term Energy-Efficient Crypto-Currency on: March 17, 2013, 06:36:06 PM
You probably have heard it a thousand times already, but i would also like the name to be changed.

PPC has by far the most interesting design out here, but i just can't take the name seriously. It's something small, but as long as people feel weird about the name, they will really hold back on embracing it.
Rebranding (if at all possible, i don't know the details of how that would work) would probably improve the popularity a lot.
Make sure you do this right though, don't just change the name without anouncement, make sure to inform people on beforehand so they don't go like "hu where did PPC go? :p"

Kind regards


I agree. Perhaps Sunny could hold a poll to get the communities opinion.

I quite like StakeCoin as a name as it captures the innovative concept of the coin in the name. Any other announcements could come along with the name change to give it extra impact. You could even say PPCoin was the 'beta' name?

PPCoin has a bright future. It's trending upwards in google searches dramatically and imo it's the only other viable alternative currency besides Litecoin.
3026  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PPCoin showing a lot of activity lately, under-priced? on: March 16, 2013, 09:35:02 PM
ppcoin is open-source. I don't know why people get this idea that it is not.

It's open source and same license as bitcoin (MIT). Everyone is free to fork and experiment and that's exactly what novacoin did.

Bravo!

See guys. It's even better than we thought.  Cheesy

Lol ok. Well you can't stop someone who wants to believe anything they are told. Ppc is open but the development isn't. It is secretive.

Everything is on github: https://github.com/ppcoin/ppcoin and open source.  Cool
Lol lets say it one more time. Plc can be open source but if development is not publicly discussed it puts a hamper on the project. Being close minded about development wing made public is a fatal flaw. Why would sunny not want public input into his PPC project? I'm sure he isn't a godlike coder that can see every flaw or make the perfect design. If he was he would have already up published a white paper being thorough on the design choices.

All the code is out there in the open, anyone is free to look through it. No-one says he is a godlike coder, that is why there is a tournament being arranged to investigate any weaknesses in the system. You do realise weaknesses were found in Bitcoin too in it's early days?

Remember PPCoin isn't just a cheap knock off bitcoin clone like most other alt currencies, this is innovative work and it's still in it's infancy. Over the coming months the project is just going to continue growing.

Just like all the interest is growing - see the pictures I link to in my original post.

I'm not claiming PPCoin is the next bitcoin but I don't think it should be written off and it has a lot of potential... but I know I can't win you over, you are team LTC til you die.
3027  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PPCoin showing a lot of activity lately, under-priced? on: March 16, 2013, 09:15:28 PM
ppcoin is open-source. I don't know why people get this idea that it is not.

It's open source and same license as bitcoin (MIT). Everyone is free to fork and experiment and that's exactly what novacoin did.

Bravo!

See guys. It's even better than we thought.  Cheesy

Lol ok. Well you can't stop someone who wants to believe anything they are told. Ppc is open but the development isn't. It is secretive.

Everything is on github: https://github.com/ppcoin/ppcoin and open source.  Cool
3028  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PPCoin showing a lot of activity lately, under-priced? on: March 16, 2013, 08:30:03 PM
ppcoin is open-source. I don't know why people get this idea that it is not.

It's open source and same license as bitcoin (MIT). Everyone is free to fork and experiment and that's exactly what novacoin did.

Bravo!

See guys. It's even better than we thought.  Cheesy
3029  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Litecoin really really cheap right now? Or is it dying? on: March 16, 2013, 08:08:16 PM

Given this, we might guess that either BTC price will drop 20-100 fold or LTC price will increase 20-100 fold upon the mass introduction of ASICs so long as no LTC ASICs or super efficient FPGAs come out (I doubt they will, personally).

When can we expect the mass introduction of ASICs?

A super efficient FPGA for LTC's Scrypt algorithm would constitute an academic computer science breakthrough worthy of publication in a journal.

20-100 fold increases or decreases sounds too big to me but it will be fascinating to see how the mining ecosystem responds.
3030  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Litecoin really really cheap right now? Or is it dying? on: March 16, 2013, 07:57:42 PM
Crossposting here to show that yes, Litecoin is still cheap

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Could you update this too with the cost of power per USD earned at current difficulty?

The calculation is like this:
For LTC it takes 131.7 KH/s right now (diff = 84.2242236212) to mine 1 USD equiv in 24 hours.
A 7950 pulling 190 w/h will get about 575 KH/s.

190 w/h * (131.7 KH/s / 575 KH/s) = 43.52 w/h * 24 h = 1044.44 w = 1.04444 kw at 10 cents a watt = 10.44 cents.

However, for BTC we should use the wattage of most efficient miner, Avalon, which is 60 GH/s at 500 W (~400 w DC)
At diff 4,847,647, we need 0.2059 GH/s to mine 1 USD equiv. in 24 h.

500 w/h * (0.2059 GH/s / 60.0 GH/s) = 1.716 w/h * 24 h = 41.18 w = 0.04118 kw at 10 cents a watt = 0.4118 cents.
You could also do the calculation for GPUs.

Such a calculation would be immensely helpful to people trying to figure out what the valuation should be of scrypt versus SHA256 alternative currencies.

So if I am understanding your calculations correctly, mining Litecoin is twenty times more profitable on average?
3031  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PPCoin showing a lot of activity lately, under-priced? on: March 16, 2013, 06:49:03 PM
Btw just to add, less than 5% of my cryptocurrency holdings are in PPCoin at present.
3032  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PPCoin showing a lot of activity lately, under-priced? on: March 16, 2013, 06:46:35 PM
Actually, if the profitability remains at 200%, I'd say it's either overpriced, or undermined (in the sense we would expect more people mining it)!

Anyway, I'm currently FPGA-mining it at 2.2GH/s Smiley  Much more stable lately in profitability than TRC.  Can get me around 15~20$/day Smiley

Mining is a whole new game though, you are just watching the buy orders and calculating profits based on selling now without much speculation long-term.

Unless you hoard.

The more people who get attracted to mining it because of the high profitability, the better it is for PPCoin.
3033  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PPCoin showing a lot of activity lately, under-priced? on: March 16, 2013, 06:30:21 PM
Heh, never said you did. Adjectives are important, as are implications. 'Tis possible that it might jump to TRC price but some serious bubble bursting is going to happen all 'round, very soon.

Nowhere do I imply it's a very safe bet either. 

Note the sentence in bold at the end where I say: Maybe I am wrong

I am thinking long term here. Let's see where the price is in 6 months time.
3034  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PPCoin showing a lot of activity lately, under-priced? on: March 16, 2013, 06:28:28 PM
As time goes on less problems will arise, if any. This is the downside to PPCoin being so innovative instead of just another Bitcoin copy. But it will payoff in the long run. I don't blame Sunny for keeping things closed source for the time being, after all the work he has put into it... He should make it open source once it grows popular and he gets the rewards he deserves for all his hard work.
I agree on you that there has to be a reward for pushing innovative concepts. However, I urge you to revise your trust policy. You sound naive.

Not seeing where I sound naive in my quoted post  Smiley

Let's see what the coming months bring.
3035  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PPCoin showing a lot of activity lately, under-priced? on: March 16, 2013, 06:25:26 PM
Be completely honest...It's just not a very safe bet at this time.

Nowhere did I say it's a 'very safe bet'. Please don't put words in my mouth. I've said there is a lot of new activity and interest in PPCoin and I am speculating whether it's under-priced.
3036  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PPCoin showing a lot of activity lately, under-priced? on: March 16, 2013, 06:09:24 PM
The recent rise is unnatural, because there have been no positive news supporting it.

There was no positive news about Litecoin when it surged upwards from 6 cents.

Right now PPCoin is the second most profitable coin to mine, on average, after Litecoin. Perhaps that is a factor. Whatever way you look at it there's a lot more interest in PPCoin than there was a month ago (e.g. look at the google search results trend) which can only be a good thing.

The developer Sunny has also proven himself quick to fix any problems. As time goes on less problems will arise, if any. This is the downside to PPCoin being so innovative instead of just another Bitcoin copy. But it will payoff in the long run. I don't blame Sunny for keeping things closed source for the time being, after all the work he has put into it... He should make it open source once it grows popular and he gets the rewards he deserves for all his hard work.

EDIT: I was wrong. In fact it is open source already. Even better!
3037  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: PPCoin showing a lot of activity lately, under-priced? on: March 16, 2013, 05:35:10 PM
Since I made this topic 2 hours ago PPCoin's market cap has risen further. It was 7295 btc two hours ago, now it's 8015 btc according to dustcoin.com. That's a 10% rise.
3038  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: All Things Luxury - Now Accepting Litecoin on: March 16, 2013, 04:29:20 PM
Good work  Cheesy
3039  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Why dont more miners mine alternative cryptos where they can make more? on: March 16, 2013, 03:25:59 PM
Looking at the profitability percentage in this picture below we can see there are several coins which are more profitable than bitcoin (with bitcoin at 100% as the base rate):



What are the reasons why people don't mine these other coins and make themselves more money? And if miners dont want to trade the coins for USD, Litecoin actually has a decent marketplace of goods and services cropping up thanks to it's big rise in value.

Can someone explain?
3040  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / PPCoin showing a lot of activity lately, under-priced? on: March 16, 2013, 03:03:56 PM
I've done some research on this and I am using this topic to collate what I have found so far.

1. The number of people searching google for the phrase 'ppcoin' has tripled in size in march compared to previous months:



Litecoin did a similar thing recently. Terracoin which is also growing in size is also showing a trend increase.

2. There is a LOT of trading activity spiking up in ppcoin lately

Volume chart from vircurex:



BTC price graph:



PPcoin is also being mentioned more on the forums in recent days.

3. Lead developer Sunny is still extremely active and passionate about his vision with 'ppcoins'. Sunny is continually improving the code and is very receptive to new ideas and if something goes wrong you can trust him to fix it. The development is still active unlike a lot of the other alt coins which are barren wastelands. This is not a coin that is just a cheap copy of bitcoin with some tweaks, this a very dinstinctive and innovative coinn. PPcoin stands out amongst the other coins for being, in my opinion, the most innovative with it's proof of stake and low energy consumption. Which leads me onto 3:

4. PPcoin will likely scale better than bitcoin. Bitcoin is already running into problems with the amount of transactions and this will only get exponentially worse.  PPcoin will present an alternative. And not only that it should be more of a 'hedge' against Bitcoin since if a flaw is found in Bitcoin it is less likely to be found in PPcoin than other alt currencies.

5. Mining profitability is 150% on dustcoin right now and seems to hover around this mark consistently. (litecoin 163%, terra 135%)

6. It's market cap is 7295 btc, compared to 7168 for terracoin. This is very impressive considering how CHEAP these coins are (about $0.02 ie about 2 cents), much cheaper than terracoin.

7. PPcoin vulnerabilities have now been patched and further to this a tournament is being held to prove the strength of the system and to root out any minor bugs (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152809.0) e.g. something similar to double spend for bitcoin.

8. The only downside I see is it's only on vircurex and bitparking. Btc-e don't have it (yet) but the new exchange being developed by neotrix will. The way I see it, you can buy a few k of these coins for peanuts and imo they are the only alt coin left which is cheap and has true potential. Dev coin is very cheap for example but has poor mining rewards due to 90% of the rewards going to the developers , NVC has too much of a scam image now it will never become 'big' + market cap is tiny and fishy, Terracoin is growing but imo is too similar to bitcoin and in a bubble, Namecoin was a brilliant idea but unfortunately was executed wrong and the domain names were too cheap... Actually the other downside I see of ppcoin is it uses the SHA algorithm so will probably get ASICs? This affects all coins apart from Litecoin and NVC though.

Those are my thoughts on the matter. Maybe I am wrong. But maybe I am right. I will revisit this topic in the coming months! What do you guys think  Cheesy
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