... another bottleneck exposed in modern society by the virus, just-in-time funeral services.
I bet Silicon Valley can come up with a funeral home share app for that, with surge pricing to cater for unexpected demand too.
How about a drive through funeral service? The body can be propped up in a window like a mannequin. Maybe they could partner with McDonalds. People can pull up, pay their respects, get a Quarter Pounder® with Cheese, and go about their day. That sounds pretty American. No, you can't go out. And even McDonalds has been shut down. It needs to be on-site service. You can pair it with one of those funeral streaming services so that everybody else locked at home can "attend" remotely. |
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 Only some cosmetic changes needed. |
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Wrong formula. It's death/(death+cured). Which still doesn't look bad, in their case. Would you just stop it with your home made non sense bullshit formula already. Ball is in your court. Suggest a better method. We're all doing it wrong. Population of Italy ~ 60,480,000 Deaths attributed to Covid-19 ~ 6,078 Mortality rate ~ 1.12 per 100,000 Perhaps we could use a narrower geographic definition by drawing a circle of a certain diameter around with epicenter and estimating the population of that area but I don't have those stats but I'm sure the respective governments do. Cause-specific mortality rateThe cause-specific mortality rate is the mortality rate from a specified cause for a population. The numerator is the number of deaths attributed to a specific cause. The denominator remains the size of the population at the midpoint of the time period. The fraction is usually expressed per 100,000 population. In the United States in 2003, a total of 108,256 deaths were attributed to accidents (unintentional injuries), yielding a cause-specific mortality rate of 37.2 per 100,000 population.About 1% of the country is infected. They are all going to get infected. Mortality rate 112%! No dude. We look at the infected population. It's over 40% by official numbers. We know the official numbers are underestimating the actual number of infected. But then, they are probably underestimating the number of dead too. Gotta work with what we got. We will never know the value of "the infected people" because they aren't testing the entire population. How can we use this variable so loosely? It doesn't reflect the reality of the situation and makes it seem more grave than it is. A random sample is all you need to extrapolate the number of people who have the virus in a population. You don't actually need to test everybody... No, unless you do careful select the statistical sample considering there is an extremely high geographical and lifestyle factor. And also good luck testing the people that doesn't want to be tested because they don't want to interact with ANYONE. In other words, it is not really possible to really carry out a good random sample that is not skewed in some way. At the very least, it is not practical. We do already have some approximations though. |
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She dates BIS head Agustín Carstens? Looks awfully plausible. Makes one wonder who their third might be. On second thought, no. Don't wanna think about it. My only question is...what are 'essential' sexual activities of 3 or more that are allowed? If you really need to ask that... then it is not for you. |
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UK lockdown just announced. With laws on going out, all non-essential shops to close etc.
No mention of group sex, but it's pretty draconian.
Maybe a bit draconian... But it makes some sense to ask people try avoid orgies at this time. |
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It is not a matter of opinion. It is very basic math. It doesn't matter how many or who disagree, if they can't explain why.
I did, maybe you just don't want to hear. The problem is not the formula, but you using it wrong. |
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Wrong formula. It's death/(death+cured). Which still doesn't look bad, in their case. Would you just stop it with your home made non sense bullshit formula already. Ball is in your court. Suggest a better method. The one everybody but you are using. That method is wrong. We have been over this. Repeatedly. For weeks. There is no reason at all to bring it back up. You can't use that formula in the early stages of a pandemic because cured is a very lagging indicator in this case. Also infected is a completely skewed and unreliable figure at this time. You will be able to use that formula in the future, not yet. The only figures we can rely on (in some way) are deaths and ICU occupation. And in fact those are the only ones that count at this time. And the better indicator on how much critical levels we are reaching is ICU occupation. Why? Because once ICU needs exceed current capacity more people die (because of lack of proper treatment) than should die in normal circumstances (ie: making what otherwise would be a 0.5% death rate to as much as a 5%). This is not a highly deadly virus per se... it is just one that makes most of its harm by completely overwhelming our health system up to the point of making it useless (over maximum capacity) so that more people will die than would die in normal circumstances (or given an unlimited health care capacity). |
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P.S.: Also, it is not more health workers what we need right now. It is fucking ventilators and PPE.
I am not going to deny that there is a decent amount of importance regarding ventilators and PPE... If by "a decent amount of importance" you mean that people is ALREADY dying because there are not enough ventilators and doctors need to triage and decide who gets one and have a (good) chance to live and who doesn't and just dies from asfixia. Then yes... there is a decent amount of importance regarding ventilators. but I am inclined to believe that testing is amongst the most important in order to stop the fucking mass panic and the shutting down of everything. Fuck that shit.
So, 100x up on various testing methods and production of tests and getting everyone the fuck tested. Thereafter some folks are going to get a green light... or at least understand what their status is and whether or not they can interact.. and of course, testing is not going to be a one and done thing, but it is likely the path forward towards opening businesses back up and lifting travel/movement restrictions.
Not yet. First get things under control. Do you know what is another reason almost all activity has been shut down? Because as soon as the hospital are kept at maximum capacity you can't "afford" to have any kind of accident that requires medical attention, ie: a car crash, a construction work accident, etc.... So you better avoid that. We don't know how many people is infected (probably one or two orders of magnitude more than current figures)... but just knowing there are way more than we can cope with should probably enough information. The figure we can rely on is occupation of ICU beds and, more difficult to inmediately "create" new ones, ventilators... and we have already run out of them. That's the problem that needs to be solved. Until then, this thing is way bigger than being infected or not... most people will eventually be and that is not such a big deal but, right now, even inmune people (if there is such a thing) can't have access to health care if they need it. You better don't get ill now or you might be fucked. Depending on where you live YMMV. But things are quickly changing EVERYWHERE day after day. |
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... or people will riot because some people are so "lucky" to have the PPE and can roam freely and they can't. Because that's predictible normal people behaviour...
the girl is sewing up some ghetto ass fabric masks to go over our top quality N95 (which we have adequate supply of because...fucking duh) so we don't get the envious looks when out. Forget the envious look. If you were allowed to go to the street JUST because you have the protection and other people don't (and can't manage to obtain it)... you would probably be shouted and thrown all kinds of household objects at you from the balconies and windows of isolated people. The other day a friend told me that when he was going to get on his car very early in the morning, an old woman started shouting at him to "stay at home / people are dying" from her balcony and started to throw him little stones from the flower pots while he was driving away in his car. He is a doctor and was going to work. |
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A temporary tattoo can identify the certifiably fine, and they can spend unemployment doing things that will help. Pay them from the Govt and you have a serious solution to this mess.
Tattoo with the person's SS number and maybe sew a symbol on peoples' clothes. Like a big star to show people that you're a shining star in the darkness. Completely inappropriate comparison, IMHO. Intent matters in this case as long as it positive (enabling) and not negative (restricting). Personally, I would like to know if i had it or not. If I had it, then behavior and options available should change, apart from having less stress. Now, the word is going around that it originally started in September and a few people who had nasty "flu" in late 2019 might have had CV instead. See? So you are saying if you KNEW you are already inmune you would change your behaviour, relax your profilactic measures, and think yourself entitled to don't follow the restrictions, right? Well, that's why it would be wrong to do that. Yet. |
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Anyway, my GF house is also my "home" in some way, so it's fine. It's just not ideal but what can I do... the world is so fucked up right now.
This is when it gets complicated. I went over to see the GF last night, my thought is if the cops chase me I have a fairly fast car and it's really probably not worth it to arrest. Last thing they want to do is take people to jail that they will need for real problems. My thought on the antibody test is if I know I've had it (say one of the 99% milds) then I would be perfect to volunteer in a hospital as a "blast shield" and handle the incoming losers with minimal protection. Then as they get well you put them in the line of fire for a few weeks. A temporary tattoo can identify the certifiably fine, and they can spend unemployment doing things that will help. Pay them from the Govt and you have a serious solution to this mess. It is bit more complex than that. Here is my theory: - The health staff (doctors, nurses, general staff, etc) have been dealing with this shit with almost no protection since the beginning. There is a generalised lack of PPE (masks, etc). So I would bet they have *ALL* been exposed to the virus already. Many have probably already passed it, others are currently still infected but asymptomatic... If we would start testing them, MANY would show positive. And then.. what do we do? Send them to their homes? Also send the rest of the staff of the same hospital and close it like we initially did with one hospital? Of course not. We need them where they are, doing what they are doing. So that's why we are just testing people with CLEAR symptoms of the disease. We need to delay as much the mass testing until most of them have already passed the infection and are already inmune. So yeah, the antibodies test will be more useful for that. - If we were to do the antibodies test to the general population, many people that would be already inmune would just try to avoid the restrictions [insert "me not affected" meme here] and not only that would obstruct the job of police enforcing the restrictions but it would create some sort of jelously in the rest of the population. It would be chaos. - If there are not enough PPE for the health staff, much less for the general population. We need to solve that problem first. We need to have enough so that EVERYONE can go to the street fully protected. Probably even enforce that people do NOT go out "in the wild" unless wearing masks and gloves. But you can't say that now... or people will riot because some people are so "lucky" to have the PPE and can roam freely and they can't. Because that's predictible normal people behaviour. So no... for now, restrictions are for EVERYONE. The best course of action right now is to wait a little more. Then, when enough people has already been exposed and things are under control (hospitals not overwhelmed) yes.. we should start doing the tagging inmune people thing. It's just not the right moment to do it YET. Just my two cents. P.S.: Also, it is not more health workers what we need right now. It is fucking ventilators and PPE. |
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Not even tried yet. The thing is that restrictions are tightening even more and now I fear if my GF comes with me, there is a possibility she is unable to come back for providing food and medicines to his nearby (just a couple tens of meters away from where we are now) mother. And she doesn't want to take her with us because she wants to keep her in *FULL* physical isolation. Oh well... there's so many things to consider at the same time... Sooner or later I will have to go anyways. I see from the cameras that the cats still do have food, but that's not gonna last much longer. Being feral they probably are perfectly capable to provide for themselves, at least up to a certain point. They are not going to starve. Anyway, my GF house is also my "home" in some way, so it's fine. It's just not ideal but what can I do... the world is so fucked up right now. |
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So basically Italy has just approved the same restrictions we have had since a week ago. Except we cannot even go out for that 200m UNLESS it is for work, food or medicines... or walk the dog. |
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Why wouldn't he just use his regular account?
What you are saying, Cryptotourist, does not make any senses, unless there is something wrong with Roach's regular account.
Shit, I don't know JJG, I'm only fucking with him here. That cunt had the audacity to call me a paid shill/agent - whilst most likely being exactly that himself - what the fuck was I supposed to respond to that? He also kinda reminds me of r0ach in a more refined way. That's it. You are really mixing r0ach with an early 2011 account that has *always* been *hyper pro-Bitcoin* during all this years non-stop? C'on, you could do better than that... Or maybe not. |
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If things get really bad and they start shutting down centralized messaging services, what are our decentralized options?
Ham radio. |
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Some crazy sh going on here... LFC_Bitcoin and JSRAW banned for shilling some shitcoin?  We are surely living in tough times. |
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All the big cities are deserted, reality surpasses fiction again, only the Martians remain to appear and we will have the complete apocalyptic pack.
hey, easy now one horse at a time please Sorry, what does the phrase mean? my english does not capture the meaning. You can express it in another way so that I can understand it? Thx. one horse at a time = one thing at a time (Cada cosa a su tiempo). In spanish the whole post would be like (not literal): hey, tranquilo
cada cosa a su tiempo por favor
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No se puede hacer todavía la prueba excepto en casos excepcionales y con síntomas clarísimos... O tendríamos que mandar a casi todos los médicos y enfermeros a casa y sería el caos.
Con los test rápidos tendríamos unas cifras mas aproximadas y los sanitarios no tienen que desplazarse a domicilio, ni si quiera tendrías que bajar del coche, pero de lo que se puede hacer a lo que decidan ellos... Creo que no me expresé bien. Me refiero a que tendríamos que mandarlos a casa porque ESTÁN ELLOS INFECTADOS en un porcentaje altísimo. Por eso la prueba sólo se hace en casos de clara sintomatología tanto en su caso como en el del resto de la población. |
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El problema es que están actuando todos los países erróneamente dejando al margen si cierran o confinan a la gente, los números reales no se conocen porque cada país reacciona según su criterio, para detectar realmente cual es el problema hay que trazar un plan que incluya sin excepción la prueba de contagio en toda la población, es la única forma de obtener los datos reales y a partir de estos datos, las estadísticas de contagiados, fallecidos y recuperados sera creíble.
No se puede hacer todavía la prueba excepto en casos excepcionales y con síntomas clarísimos... O tendríamos que mandar a casi todos los médicos y enfermeros a casa y sería el caos. Es mejor esperar a que ya la hayan pasado completamente y sean negativos (además de inmunes). Esa es la triste realidad, y lo saben. Las cifras reales de infectados probablemente sean uno o dos órdenes de magnitud superiores a lo "testeado". La única cifra fiable es la de las muertes. |
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