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4101  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: New AMD APUs... [AMD A8-Series] on: July 29, 2011, 11:09:33 PM
I have a A8-3850 Box,

Running all 4 cores. Getting 65MHash/s


How are you cooling it? stock sink/fan or something else?

Have you tried overclocking?
4102  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Bitcoin conference on: July 29, 2011, 10:01:33 PM
Well, if there's enough interest, let's vote on a time-frame, place (where it's really cold! Smiley ), create a planning group/committee, figure out costs and start.  sponsors, manufacturer representation/exhibits etc... may or may not be feasible for a first conference (initial lack of interest on their part?) but, it would change with time.  all the usual stuff and motions...

Judging from just a few replies, there's not that much interest?  everyone is busy checking their operations and/or protecting their rigs from "less" understanding significant others?

4103  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~5000 Gh/s] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too on: July 29, 2011, 09:45:17 PM
I do not want to state how i was able to do this in this public thread. But this is a Big issue for you i assume, I would expect (and i thought about doing this) people to create new accounts, Throw thier deepbit into -2 and then make a new account. Reapeat, Completetly draining you of all your funds. Contact me eh? Bugs like this should be patched
Thanks for your report. This is a rare condition and now I found it.

"Completetly draining you of all your funds" is not possible because I'm keeping only minimal amount online.

I'm sending 10 BTC your way.
Other users can also receive rewards for reporting important bugs.

And this laties and gentlemen Is yet another reason Why, Tycho is worth his 3%.
I thank you Tycho

+10 (no pun intended...) Smiley
4104  Bitcoin / Mining software (miners) / Re: Modified Kernel for Phoenix 1.4 on: July 29, 2011, 07:22:21 AM
not working with Phoenix r101

Phoenix 1.5 includes the phatk kernel by default, unlike 1.4. Just use the included one. If you want more performance, phatk r112 from the Phoenix SVN is even faster.

where can I find r112?
4105  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: 85 mhs on a OC'ed i7-920 ?!?! on: July 29, 2011, 07:17:43 AM
I got bored and decided to test my cpu's mining speed.

Using Guiminer + Ufasoft + 8 core affinity, I'm getting an insane 85mhash!!!!!

the cpu is clocked to 3.7ghs.



how much power is it using?
4106  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: 6990 Settings Windows - Stable - 432-455 MH/s per GPU on: July 29, 2011, 07:16:57 AM
Getting 440Mh/s per core just from GUI miner's OpenCL with -v -w128. No mods or anything in this thread aside from the overclocked switch on and the cores at 920mhz along with powertune at 10%.

Yet when I do the pheonix phatk mod along with the flags, I only get 340-380Mh/s. So peculiar.

Actually, I see the opposite...
4107  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~5000 Gh/s] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too on: July 29, 2011, 07:15:28 AM
Total hashing just dropped to 3K+ from 5K+

and going back up quickly...

Must have been a temp disruption or something like that...
4108  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Bitch Wife trashed my mining Rig.. on: July 29, 2011, 01:32:19 AM
Any shrinks lurking around who accept bitcoins? Smiley
4109  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: What's the latest on 7xxx series from radeon? on: July 29, 2011, 12:49:16 AM
Any estimates out yet on hashing speeds and power consumption?
4110  Bitcoin / Mining / Bitcoin conference on: July 28, 2011, 11:39:45 PM
So... do you all think it's time yet to think about first Bitcoin Miners conference?

4111  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~5000 Gh/s] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too on: July 28, 2011, 11:36:44 PM
Average shares per block: 1548770 (-9.2%)
Average in last 24 hours: 1977226 (+14.5%)

How to "read" this?  Stay with proportional or per share in this situation?
4112  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: ATI Catalyst 11.7 Issues on: July 28, 2011, 11:34:02 PM
Hey everyone,

 So i installed the new catalyst drivers the 11.7 and im still using the dummy plugs on my cards , even though i realized it works without them. However, im running into issues with over clocking the 2nd card. Normally when you have the dummy plugs, it would say Desktop 1 and Desktop 2 under the performance tab but, ever since i installed the drivers... i cant get it to let me overclock my 2nd card. What am i doing wrong? Anyone else have these issues? My cards are XFX 6970's.

it seems that some kind of connection is needed to OC, then afterwards, you can unplug... I'm still experimenting to nail this down...


Yes that's correct.Just use the plug to oc,then unplug.


Thanks for verifying!!  it will save me a bit of time Smiley
4113  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Theory crafting on: July 28, 2011, 10:28:34 PM

maybe if the 5970s were actually in stock... and i don't know about using server pcie splitters.... i think it's an expansion card specific to that system... but maybe they work, dunno
4114  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: different hashing rates with 1 card vs. 2 (5830) on: July 28, 2011, 10:12:30 PM
swapped the mobo.  no more sporradic reboots (so far anyways)

had a 870A-G54 replaced with 870-G45

I can now OC the 2 sapphire 5830 extreme cards to 1040/350/60% fan and 970/350/75% temps are upper 60ies.

I've noticed that if the speed of the card is the 16x PCIe it OCs lower?  
This is just an observation right now.  Will swap out 2 XFX 5830s to 2 5830 sapphire extremes on my last rig and take a peek at the lane speeds and OC capability in a few hours.  will report what I find out.
if this holds true, will try to figure out if there's a way to "downstep" the PCIe lane speeds...
4115  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: [NEWEGG SALE!!!]Radeon HD 6850 149.99[NEWEGG SALE!!!] on: July 28, 2011, 09:43:51 PM
There's also a [H] deal on the XFX version that includes a mail in rebate with it. After using the code HARDOCPX727B it comes to $129.99 with free shipping.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150505

Why bother???  a 5830 is much better
4116  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: ATI Catalyst 11.7 Issues on: July 28, 2011, 09:39:37 PM
Hey everyone,

 So i installed the new catalyst drivers the 11.7 and im still using the dummy plugs on my cards , even though i realized it works without them. However, im running into issues with over clocking the 2nd card. Normally when you have the dummy plugs, it would say Desktop 1 and Desktop 2 under the performance tab but, ever since i installed the drivers... i cant get it to let me overclock my 2nd card. What am i doing wrong? Anyone else have these issues? My cards are XFX 6970's.

it seems that some kind of connection is needed to OC, then afterwards, you can unplug... I'm still experimenting to nail this down...

4117  Economy / Goods / have 5830s on: July 28, 2011, 12:35:50 AM
XFX (lifetime warranty) used for about 1 month, upgraded to faster cards.

I have 4 available right now, will have 2 more early next week.

Will take bitcoin or cash.

Make me an good offer.

I will only ship to US.  If you're in Chicago, you can pick them up from me.
4118  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pool hopping... ethical or not? on: July 28, 2011, 12:22:57 AM
So, an example: If no one knew pool hopping provided a bonus for hoppers and no one ever realised it, would it be unethical?
If the pool hopper wasn't doing it intentionally or didn't realize they were taking advantage of the other miners, then they would still be acting in good faith and intending to deal honestly with the other miners. So they wouldn't be breaching the implied contract. But people's self-serving and stubborn insistence that they don't see anything wrong with it isn't convincing. People are very good at convincing themselves that something is true if it benefits them to believe it.

Ignorance is not an excuse...  If you go somewhere and you are unfamiliar with their specific driving rules (regardless of how fair they are) and you break one, while you think you were acting in good faith (and you probably were), the cop will still give you a ticket.
4119  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pool hopping... ethical or n on: July 27, 2011, 11:00:39 PM
Candy bar is an awful example. There is no implied contract, there is an explicitly defined contract. You pay me XXX dollars for YYY candy bars (in the united states). You don't like that agreement then you don't get them. Price is stated, non-negotiable, you agree or you move on. In fact, that is how almost all things in life are, explicit, not implicit. Maybe the agreement isn't written formally "You must take $$$ out of your wallet and put it in my hand" but that's not at all relevant or related to the conversation. There is no statement of any kind as to any actions on my part other than submitting a share and the reward I will receive for doing so.
What if the candy bar is defective? What if the merchant knows the candy bar is stale? What if the customer eats the candy bar before paying and then the merchant says that candy bar is $100?

And in the typical case, there is barely any explicit agreement. You put the candy bar on the counter, implying that you wish to buy it. The merchant states a price, implying that this is what he will accept in exchange for the candy bar. You give the merchant money, implying that this is in exchange for the candy bar at the stated price. The merchant gives you change, implying he has accepted the difference in exchange for the candy bar. 99% of the agreement is implied and flows from custom and circumstance.

What if the candy bar is defective?  Ummmm, I guess you just puke it out then, call the manufacturer and ask for an RMA... 

and merchants don't say 100 bucks cause you ate it.... they will happily scan that wrapper and ask you for for the terminal says.

This is all hyperbole and pure esoteric speculation regarding what if candy is this or that and blah blah blah... la-la land.
4120  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Pool hopping... ethical or n on: July 27, 2011, 10:31:15 PM
You've still not addressed my question, you say that I've entered an agreement with business partners when I mine on a pool. But no one has made clear the parameters of that supposed agreement (other than what is laiad out in proportional payment structure)? When am I allowed to back out? When can I switch? Once I enter into this so called agreement am I bound to it forever? Can I never change my mind?
You miss the entire point of implied agreements. We don't want to spend twenty minutes negotiating to buy a candy bar, and that level of precise detail is not needed. All that is necessary is that you interact with others in good faith and deal with them fairly. That is the implied agreement.

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The problem with "implied agreements" is that there is no clear basis to them. Your side of the agreement is not the same as mine unless we explicitly state it as so. If I can switch pools after 24 hours, why not 12, or 6, or as often as I want? Where is the line, how are you defining it?
The line is between acting in good faith and acting in bad faith. If you want to change pools because you don't like the pool, want to try another pool, or something like that, you entered and exited the pool in good faith. There's no problem. If you left the pool because you want to shift a disproportionate share of the work to the other miners, only to re-enter it when you claim a disproportionate share of the profit, that's bad faith. That's abusing the system to get a share greater than your fair share at the expense of your fellow miners.

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Just because something increases your personal gain and is complicated does not make it inherently unethical.
Of course not. It's when you deal with others in bad faith and deal with them unfairly that you are acting unethically.

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Everything you do in bitcoin to enhance your stake diminshes someone elses.
No. That's not true.

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Hopping isn't stopping anyone else from doing anything, it is not some secret ploy, does not rely on deception or coercion or any other inherently unethical practice.
Entering a profit-making cooperative with others when times are good, taking a disproportionate share of the profit earned by the work of others, only to desert the cooperative as soon as hard work is necessary to make more profit, with the intent of re-joining the cooperative as soon as the hard work is done in time to get another disproportionate share of the profit is an inherently unethical practice.

"Bad faith" or for hopping to be unethical requires intentional deceit and/or pretending (to follow stated rules for ex.).  So, if a pool has no stated policy/rule regarding hopping, the hopper is maximizing what they can get.  it's not bad faith or unethical.  the hoppers state what they do and apparently some pools don't care.  If the pool users have an issue, they should take it up with the pool's operator or join another pool.
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