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3801  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: New AMD APUs... [AMD A8-Series] on: October 05, 2011, 05:13:42 PM
I still think it would be hard to create a water block that will be able to absorb 3000W of heat from a square inch.
i think you would then need micro channels or tubes through the GPU chip itself to remove the heat.

No reason for it to be 3000W from 1" squared.  Even if you could do that the outer chip layers would act as an insulator and "cook" the inner chips.

You could simply have a chip-waterblock sandwhich.

waterblock
chip
waterblock
chip
waterblock
chip
waterblock
chip
waterblock

or maybe something more like a stacked grid array (4x4 chips under a waterblock and then stacked)


I think I saw something about interleaving chips with liquid cooling pathways... i think it was IBM?
3802  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: [SOLVED] 6990 Flashed BIOS Problems on: October 05, 2011, 04:07:46 PM
what driver version are you on?
3803  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: New AMD APUs... [AMD A8-Series] on: October 05, 2011, 04:05:36 PM
if AMD would just make gpu chips stack-able in to arrays that would be something
that would be awsome
get 10 HD6970 chips stacked together..
it could dump 3000 watts of heat in a square inch.

just have to figure out how to cool it  Huh
with a very cold liquid Smiley
3804  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Why You Haven't Seen Miners Leave in Hordes..... on: October 03, 2011, 08:47:30 PM
what's postulated here regarding botnets and bitcoin is lala-land...

no-one is going to not notice GPU being in use and they will figure it out...

further more, botnet'ed computers are probably not modern systems with up to date security (unless it got disabled, yeah, sure there maybe a small number, but not constant like this)... so that leaves botnets to be full of "older" poorly attended to/neglected computers... this is not going to be a system with lots of computing power by any good measure.

so, CPU is the only thing a botnet is good for for bitcoin hashing...

so if we assume that this really is out there on a MASSIVE scale of 50K machines and if you assume 2 Megahashes per CPU (could be hidden when idle), we then have ~100,000 Mhashes/sec. or 100 Gigahashes?  is that right?

this would be hardly noticeable...

does this make sense?
3805  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Why You Haven't Seen Miners Leave in Hordes..... on: September 30, 2011, 08:47:34 PM
Don't forget the botnets!  Since there is now malware out that can utilize a person's GPU to mine coins, I wouldn't be surprised if as much as 1/3 of all the TH/s is acquired through botnet activity.

1/3rd??? how do you figure that number?  that would be PR disaster for bitcoin...
3806  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Strange 6990 BIOS Flash Problems? on: September 30, 2011, 02:55:43 AM
drivers are recognizing a flashed/changed bios and crapping out...
Also, apparently AMD has put stuff in to disallow downcklocking memory.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=43990

there are other treads I've posted on to this effect, just too lazy to dig them all up right now...
I thought this only affected Windows users? Right now I'm running with 3 6970's and 1 6990 in the case, and I've already BIOS flashed the 6970's to run @ 300MHz memory speeds, and there's no problems with them.. only the 6990 is causing a problem with booting into Ubuntu.

nope...

it's in drivers AMD writes...
3807  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: My 5870 died... on: September 30, 2011, 02:39:07 AM
it's bad, you don't want it anymore... just give it to me...
3808  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Strange 6990 BIOS Flash Problems? on: September 30, 2011, 02:38:18 AM
drivers are recognizing a flashed/changed bios and crapping out...
Also, apparently AMD has put stuff in to disallow downcklocking memory.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=43990

there are other treads I've posted on to this effect, just too lazy to dig them all up right now...
3809  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Why You Haven't Seen Miners Leave in Hordes..... on: September 29, 2011, 06:22:28 PM
I can't believe we're another 6 months into this experiment and people still don't understand that the auto-adjusting difficulty means that # of miners has absolutely nothing to do with the supply of bitcoins, thus nothing to do with the demand for bitcoins except in really indirect ways (a miner being perhaps more likely to increase demand for bitcoins by evangelizing about them or convincing a local retailer to accept them, etc)

spot on!
3810  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Why You Haven't Seen Miners Leave in Hordes..... on: September 29, 2011, 06:18:09 PM
Which only helps those who currently run a business. The average person can't deduct anything like that from their taxes.
And as soon as you're filing taxes for a business, H&R Block charges you $350, not $35.


turbotax.
3811  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Why You Haven't Seen Miners Leave in Hordes..... on: September 29, 2011, 06:16:11 PM
Calculating ROI by speculating on future BTC value is fallacious.  If you want to speculate, you can just buy BTCs with dollars. The same dollars you need to buy hardware and electricity cost, so they compete.

pretty much all ROI calculations are based on assumptions and "speculating on future"  BTC is not immune to that.
you just have to try to some close to "guessing" what reality/future will be...
variance is used to create several situations/expected outcomes and then you can use probability to pick a scenario that is most likely to happen.
3812  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Higher stale rates with 5970s, Phoenix and Phatk on: September 27, 2011, 10:38:33 PM
Yeah IIRC, your internet connection has a lot to do with stales.  High latency = more stales, but I'm not sure why. 

doesn't get there fast enough?
3813  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Refurnished Graphic Cards on: September 22, 2011, 03:48:00 PM
it probably is not counterfeit at all.  Most likely it's an "illegal" run on same production/assembly lines.  or maybe these are slightly outside of quality control specs by AMD?  They may work for some time just fine, but could fail at a higher rate than "good" cards...
3814  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Radeon 5970 $400 with $100 off promo code from Newegg on: September 22, 2011, 03:45:11 PM
That's weird, I definately searched first, but I might have messed up and done it under a sub category. 

Sorrys.  Can I delete my thread somehow?

no, but if you have another question for this sub, you can edit your post and change the words...
3815  Economy / Marketplace / Re: BitcoinBonus.com - SCAM? on: September 21, 2011, 01:12:01 AM
Did you contact the Bitcoin Police?
how do I do that anonymously?
3816  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: BitcoinBonus.com What is your experience with them? on: September 21, 2011, 12:56:09 AM
Well... this bitcoinbonus does appear to be a scam...

nothing. no replies, no bitcoins.

how do I get this info sticky so that other miners do not get ripped off?
3817  Economy / Marketplace / Re: BitcoinBonus.com - SCAM? on: September 21, 2011, 12:55:11 AM
Well... this bitcoinbonus does appear to be a scam...

nothing. no replies, no bitcoins.

how do I get this info sticky so that other miners do not get ripped off?
3818  Economy / Marketplace / Re: BitcoinBonus.com - SCAM? on: September 19, 2011, 11:25:41 PM
Still nothing...
3819  Other / Archival / Re: Pictures of your mining rigs! on: September 15, 2011, 10:41:11 PM
2052 Mhashes (2 5970 + 1 5850):




Is that a Silverstone Raven 2 case?
Silverstone TJ11
3820  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: HD 6850 Memory Clock Jumps to 1000Mhz Even Though Underclocked on: September 15, 2011, 07:03:30 PM
I'm having the same trouble (though memory clock jumps to 300) under Linux.

Is there an aticonfig command I've missed out? I've enabled overdrive and set the peak memory clock to 300, but the utility reports that I'm running 1050.

I've had this issue with every 6XXX series card I've used in Linux (Ubuntu 10.10).

Using aticonfig I've never been able to set my XFX 1GB 6950s memory clocks less than 125mHz lower than the GPU clock.  In order to set memory clocks outside of the default ranges at all, I have to use AMDOverdrivectrl to set the default clocks for each power state, but even those don't 'stick' - as soon as I 'push' the card the memory clock ramps up to max.

The 6870 I picked up recently won't drop below 100mHz less the GPU clock.

It seems to be the same issue as Windows boxen, but at least there the manufacturers have specific utilities to get around it.  It also appears that it may be vendor/card version specific, as some people have had success underclocking mem on a handful of these cards in Linux.

With the BTC prices so low and my power usage so high lately, I'm resorting to bios flashing a lower memory clock and voltages on all of these cards this weekend.  Totally kills their use in Windows or for gaming (unless you flash them back), but will be worth it for mining - at this point I need to eek out every bit of efficiency I can in order to stay above water.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=35792
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