Latest tweet:
Update2: At the moment, work is underway to restore the service. Approximate terms from 5 to 10 days. Thank you for understanding
yeah, in short "give us time to withdraw the funds"  |
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On 072217 this was posted...
"Due to possible risks, from 25.07.2017 to 15.08.2017 we increase the number of confirmations required for Bitcoin deposit from 3 to 6 #btce"
Maybe this supports technical error.
the owner is in the police custody. what tech error?  BTE-e shit = DOWN for good |
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@mayax - So are you implying that Kraken and/or Poloniex are lying to Fincen?  MSB Registration Number: 31000101726901
Registration Type: Corrected Report, Renewal
Legal Name: Payward Ventures, Inc.
DBA Name: Kraken
Street Address: 237 Kearny Street #102
City: San Francisco
State: CALIFORNIA
Zip: 94108
MSB Activities:
Money transmitter, Other
States of MSB Activities:
Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District Of Columbia, Florida,
Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine,
Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire,
New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island,
South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming
All States & Territories & Foreign Flag:
Number of Branches:
Authorized Signature Date: 03/14/2017
Received Date: 03/15/2017 YES, I saying (explicitly stated) that Kraken, Poloniex and many others are lying FINCEN Please ask these exchangers to provide their MSB registration and the State(s) where they are registered as MSB. |
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i said for SO many times(you can check my posts) : "by using an unlicensed exchanger, you are exposed to frauds and scams."
do you think that Coinbase and similar others 5-6 exchangers which have a financial license, were stupids to spend millions for their licenses? they want to play for a long time without looking behind and having the peace of the mind.
also, they can offer you the peace of the mind because they are insured. why would you use a shit/anonymous exchanger instead? for what?
I always target exchangers like BTC-e, KRaken, Poloniex and others without any license. Mark my words, they will come next.
Sorry mate but I am pretty sure Kraken has license to operate in all EU states from the Euro zone. I don't know about Poloniex though. I think next on the agenda is shutting down all Bitcoin mixers. Then after having taken care of the exchanges and mixers they will most likely go after the gambling sites. Kraken has NO license to operate anywhere including EU or USA. It's in the same position as BTC-e. You can ask them about that and then please share the information. A financial license or MSB registration must be a public information. yes, they made a partnership with a payment processor(PayCash Europe) which have a financial license. so what? Kraken must have a financial license too. they are dealing with fiat. they have a bank account where they receive money from clients and they exchange to e-currency. that means MSB and they are not. it's simple. Please read the article again : About PayCash Europe S.A.
PayCash Europe S.A. is a Luxembourg-based Electronic Money InstitutionAbout Kraken Kraken combines years of experience in the virtual goods and currency markets with a highly skilled engineering team and a host of carefully cultivated banking and finance relationships. Kraken ( http://www.kraken.com), the full-featured professional digital currency exchange and trading platform. in short, Kraken a lot of "bla bla". No license. |
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You can lookup Poloniex right here (and whoever else, assuming they have MSB's).. https://www.fincen.gov/msb-registrant-searchPoloniex says: MSB Registration Number: 31000091844018
Registration Type: Corrected Report, Re-registration
Legal Name: Poloniex, Inc.
DBA Name:
Street Address: 1013 Centre Rd, Suite 403-B
City: Wilmington
State: DELAWARE
Zip: 19801
MSB Activities:
Money transmitter, Other
States of MSB Activities:
Alabama, Alaska, American Samoa, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, District Of Columbia,
Federated States Of Micronesia, Florida, Georgia, Guam, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas,
Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Marshall Islands, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri,
Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, Northern Mariana Islands, Ohio, Oklahoma,
Oregon, Palau, Pennsylvania, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah,
Vermont, Virgin Islands, US, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming
All States & Territories & Foreign Flag: Foreign
Number of Branches:
Authorized Signature Date: 08/29/2016
Received Date: 08/30/2016
I keep saying that by registering with FINCEN, it does NOT mean that a company is a MSB. "Information contained on this site has been provided by the MSB registrant. FinCEN does not verify information submitted by the MSB. Information provided on this site reflects only what was provided directly to FinCEN."
You can register on FINCEN website yourself... right now with any name you want. make a try. So, being registered with FINCEN means nothing. First a company MUST be a MSB and then to submit on Fincen website. A US company must be registered as MSB in all the states if they want to deal/trade/do business in all of them. See Coinbase, Gemini, Itbit, Circle. Look to their websites. You will notice something like : https://www.coinbase.com/legal/licenseshttps://gemini.com/about/See? BIG difference between Kraken, Poloniex and similar others and these ones Again, being registered on FINCEN page without being MSB = zero (outlaw, illegal) Please show me on Kraken and Poloniex website (or ask them via email, phone) where they are registered as MSB. |
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i said for SO many times(you can check my posts) : "by using an unlicensed exchanger, you are exposed to frauds and scams."
do you think that Coinbase and similar others 5-6 exchangers which have a financial license, were stupids to spend millions for their licenses? they want to play for a long time without looking behind and having the peace of the mind.
also, they can offer you the peace of the mind because they are insured. why would you use a shit/anonymous exchanger instead? for what?
I always target exchangers like BTC-e, KRaken, Poloniex and others without any license. Mark my words, they will come next.
Sorry mate but I am pretty sure Kraken has license to operate in all EU states from the Euro zone. I don't know about Poloniex though. I think next on the agenda is shutting down all Bitcoin mixers. Then after having taken care of the exchanges and mixers they will most likely go after the gambling sites. Kraken has NO license to operate anywhere including EU or USA. It's in the same position as BTC-e. You can ask them about that and then please share the information. A financial license or MSB registration must be a public information. |
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If you are not using a legal, registered business then you are handing your money over to criminals plane and simple. If you think that's a good financial decision... then best of luck. The moment they get into any kind of trouble they are going to disappear with your btc. You will have no legal recourse, no legal standing; you may even be considered an accessory to their crimes. At that point you will have more than your financial loss to worry about. EDIT: well, surprise surprise. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2047405.0;topicseenyes, i warned for SO many times about these exchangers, including BTC-e. now, it's becoming reality the next ones will be Poloniex, Bitfinex, Kraken. |
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i said for SO many times(you can check my posts) : "by using an unlicensed exchanger, you are exposed to frauds and scams."
do you think that Coinbase and similar others 5-6 exchangers which have a financial license, were stupids to spend millions for their licenses? they want to play for a long time without looking behind and having the peace of the mind.
also, they can offer you the peace of the mind because they are insured. why would you use a shit/anonymous exchanger instead? for what?
I always target exchangers like BTC-e, KRaken, Poloniex and others without any license. Mark my words, they will come next.
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i don't get it! this has NOTHING to do with btc-e!!! someone arrested some criminal in some unrelated country (Russia) and you say it is btc-e owner related. BTC-E is not even a Russian exchange  BTC-E owners(one of them is Alexander Vinnik) are from Russia. Alexander Vinnik is the one in cause. BTC-e is down and I think the users(stupid ones who use this shit website without any financial license) will lose the funds. |
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Most states require money services businesses operating within their territory to be licensed with the state banking department. So, you can be MSB without a license in some states, huh? being registered as MSB = financial license |
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It's not looking good ..
Last update from BTC-E Twiter account= 18 h ago..
BTC-e is DONE !  |
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Just email them directly, don't take my word for it. I'm guessing all states
it's a fake information. Kraken is not registered as MSB in any state.Oh really? Put in kraken into DBA name and see what is going to show up https://www.fincen.gov/msb-registrant-searchI keep saying that by registering with FINCEN, it does NOT mean that a company is a MSB.
"Information contained on this site has been provided by the MSB registrant. FinCEN does not verify information submitted by the MSB. Information provided on this site reflects only what was provided directly to FinCEN."You can register on FINCEN website yourself... right now with any name you want. make a try. So, being registered with FINCEN means nothing. First a company MUST be a MSB and then to submit on Fincen. A US company must be registered as MSB in all the states if they want to deal in all of them. See Coinbase, Gemini, Itbit, Circle. Look to their websites. You will notice something like : https://www.coinbase.com/legal/licenseshttps://gemini.com/about/See? BIG difference between Kraken and these ones Again, being registered on FINCEN page without being MSB = zero (outlaw, illegal) Please show me on Kraken website(or ask them via email, phone) where they are registered as MSB In my opinion - you got it backward. You become MSB just by providing some types of services. Indeed, in some states you should apply for a license (but it depends on type of operations - if you check coinbase licenses - none of them were issued to conduct crypto-related operations) So if you provide certain services - you should register with FinCen. Check out bitstamp - they are licensed in EU, registered in FinCen, but I could not find any state licenses. Kraken provides the types of services which require to be MSB and FINCEN registration (but only in this order) Coinbase is registered as MSB in almost all the states and this gives them the right to do many other operations not only dealing with virtual currencies. Except NY, no other state have a special license for Bitcoin (Coinbase have that special license too). crypto-related operations= virtual currency. MSB law is referring to the virtual currency not to cryptoshit or any other name. Each money services business (MSB) must register with the Department of the Treasury (FINCEN). Note that failure to register when required to do so or obtain necessary state licensed, can lead to jail time Most states require money services businesses operating within their territory to be licensed with the state banking department. Note that many states also require registration of foreign MSBs that transact with their residents. For example, money transmitters with no physical presence in Texas that transact with residents of Texas must be licensed in the State of Texas; same with all the other states. FiNCEN describes very well the exchangers status for so called decentralized virtual currencies. " a person is an exchanger and a money transmitter if the person accepts such de-centralized convertible virtual currency from one person and transmits it to another person as part of the acceptance and transfer of currency, funds, or other value that substitutes for currency."https://www.fincen.gov/resources/statutes-regulations/guidance/application-fincens-regulations-persons-administeringSo, the point that many people are sustaining (without knowledge about the law) that Kraken is registered with FINCEN and it's enough, it's sci-fi, bullshit, etc of course, there are many other exchangers like Kraken. |
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How many chances of Forking? Any rough idea if we want to know the %? Thanks.
The chances of forking are 100%. You shouldn't give it much attention though, It's going to be dumped in a matter of seconds as every BTC holder will have BCC as well and almost everyone here is with SegWit, no one is going to use that BCC. I have a feeling that we are over-estimating the support for SegWit. The BCC is supported by some of the big names, and they have the capability to swing at least some of the miners to their side. So I wouldn't confirm on overwhelming support for SegWit, before I see it for real on August 1. So all I am saying is that, don't put so much trust on the "intentions". One have to really stupid not to see what those big names try to do. To make tons of money on crypto community. They can swing as many miners as they want if the community does not accept the coin. Again, why would I hold a BTC copycat whose only purpose is to help Roger Ver and a few immensely rich guys to become even richer. No fucking way. now, you are helping other rich guys too. you have to be blind if you don't see that 2 gangs are fighting for supremacy "the community"(sheep) will follow the miners and exchangers. there are some lunatics who are thinking that they can change the world with their slogans (no gov, no bank, bla bla). in the end, money/cash talks. the smart ones will keep their mouth shut and they will make money with this fork. all day you can read on this forum " fork is good, fork is not good. that person is a shit, that person is a god" . are you nuts? LOL this is a BUSINESS, it's MONEY. wake up ! BTC is just an e-currency; sooner or later it will disappear. speculate as much as you can and talk less because it's useless anyway. |
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Just email them directly, don't take my word for it. I'm guessing all states
it's a fake information. Kraken is not registered as MSB in any state.Oh really? Put in kraken into DBA name and see what is going to show up https://www.fincen.gov/msb-registrant-searchI keep saying that by registering with FINCEN, it does NOT mean that a company is a MSB.
"Information contained on this site has been provided by the MSB registrant. FinCEN does not verify information submitted by the MSB. Information provided on this site reflects only what was provided directly to FinCEN."You can register on FINCEN website yourself... right now with any name you want. make a try. So, being registered with FINCEN means nothing. First a company MUST be a MSB and then to submit on Fincen. A US company must be registered as MSB in all the states if they want to deal in all of them. See Coinbase, Gemini, Itbit, Circle. Look to their websites. You will notice something like : https://www.coinbase.com/legal/licenseshttps://gemini.com/about/See? BIG difference between Kraken and these ones Again, being registered on FINCEN page without being MSB = zero (outlaw, illegal) Please show me on Kraken website(or ask them via email, phone) where they are registered as MSB |
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remember, that they have to be sure that YOU are YOU and not someone else (same as the banks). The information I provide to them (scanned documents, answers to their stupid KYC questions) are not evidence that really I am contacting them. Anyone can make fake passport scan with my details, anyone can answer the stupid questions, anyone can make fake scans of my company's documents. These "AML/KYC" regulations actually make easy for criminals to commit identity theft - every low level "customer support" employee on some shitty Forex broker, gambling site or web hosting company (even some web hosting companies require scan of the identity documents!) can just use the documents of unsuspecting "customer" to open a bank account, register company, etc. Also the dark markets are full of scans of documents, maybe even my scans are there. yes, that's why the banks want you in person in order to open an account. the next step in verification is, the webcam with your IDs and a little interview. you may go in person to Bitstamp along with all the documents. It's quite simple and cheap if you live in Europe. |
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What countries have already banned bitcoin if any. Is it mainly banks that there is a issue with. I can imagine that if someone was to cash in alot of bitcoin and ended up with a large sum of money in their account it may raise some questions
I think it is not totally bitcoin has been banned in some countries maybe there are some sites that are not yet accessible for the people who are trying to surf on it. And then thats why in some areas bitcoin is not yet introduced or accepted but sooner or later government will see potential in this. ecuador, bolivia, kyrgizstan, saudi arabia, this countries declared* BTC illegal and many others like Iceland, Vietnam, Bangladesh, India, Thailand. |
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it's not about "legalizes". it was legal if you had a financial license in past too. that means "legalize". it's nothing new all the exchangers must have a financial license(doesn't matter the country) and this is the future. ask Kraken, Poloniex, BTC-e and others if they have one (only 6 exchangers own a license) . |
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