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1401  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Non-bitcoin forums discussing bitcoin on: October 11, 2015, 11:06:12 PM
The people from other forums are talking about Bitcoin because BTC is the main e-currency now. Those forums were created long before this forum. They talked about e-gold, osgold and LR in the past.

Almost all the HYIPs, MLM and others moved to BTC. Some of them are called Forex but it's the same... Smiley

That's why other "non-btc" forums are  discussing bitcoin. There are no other e-currencies on market who deserve their attention.
BTC is trendy for now Smiley
1402  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Man Behind Week-Long Bitcoin Attacks Reveals Himself on: October 11, 2015, 11:00:50 PM
Actually, it's pretty good that someone is exploiting some vulnerabilities in the network for the developers to take a closer look at the code and patch it up as soon as they can. What's annoying is that it hurts businesses and normal individuals who just wants to send and receive transactions. It kinda scares them to accept bitcoin and be open about it again.

The problem isn't that the developers didn't understand the problem or know how to fix it.  The problem is that they lacked the leadership skills to implement the fix.  They have known about the problem since October 4, 2012!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=8392.msg1245898#msg1245898

The problem is that bitcoin lacks leadership and governance.  There are "leaders" who can foresee problems but who can not propose and sell acceptable solutions.  The  malleability attack has been known for three years, but no fix has been deployed.  This is because the "leaders" are afraid that the obvious solutions would not be implemented by the followers.  A "leader" who is afraid that he would not be followed is no leader.


"leader" means central power. central power means BTC belongs to "him". You want decentralization? Then, face it Smiley
1403  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The future of Bitcoin on: October 11, 2015, 10:42:38 PM
Bitcoin has a lot of advantages that most people don't realize yet. It is much less expensive to send Bitcoin across the world than it is traditional money. The big problem Bitcoin currently faces is that most people do not actually realize how superior the currency is to fiat. In time I figure, more people will know, and Bitcoin will really take off.

I am paying 0% for any online  and offline shopping by credit cards/debit cards. I can transfer funds  to other person via any payment processor instantly.

Yes, it takes from 1-3 days if I am sending bank wire.I am sending it for a large amount only and I am feeling in safe by using a bank instead of any Bitcoin or Altcoin.

So, I don't see any advantage by using Bitcoin for the "normal people" excepting if they want to play a little with their money by making some bets with BTC trading.

Let's think logical. Why would I keep the money in a system like Bitcoin when we have credit/debit cards? Smiley Also, the mobile payments are available.

A BTC transaction takes at least 10 min; the online wallets are not safe at all.

Yes, BTC is good for a niche. I agree with that.
1404  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bitcoin Exchange Gemini Approved for Launch in New York on: October 11, 2015, 10:23:53 PM
You forget something which must be VERY important to BTC community. It seems it was forgotten; The anonymity. The core of BTC. Smiley

Gemini, Coinbase and others like them are bringing what you didn't want.... regulation, taxes, GOVs which will know everything you make with your coins and so on.

How is with stories like BTC is made for anonymity, privacy? Smiley

Bitcoin never was anonym. Lots people still think it is, but even if you have no tech knoleage and only monitor press you see it is not. Monero is coin with anonymity features.


My question is: Why would I use BTC in this case while I already have a bank account, credit cards, debit cards, traditional financial instruments?




Because is cheaper and faster (maybe right now in many cases that is not correct but in long run should be).

Cheaper and faster? I can buy anything I want with credit cards/debit cards for "free"(no fee) and in a blink of eye. What you mean with BTC is cheaper and faster? Now, you are waiting 15 min or more for a transaction to be confirmed.

Don't you know that bank charge few percent (usually 1%-3%) from every transaction with credit cards/debit cards? Bitcoin only charge you about 0.0001BTC-0.0002BTC or 2-5 cents per transaction.
Furthermore, there are places where you can pay with bitcoin instantly with shops which accept 0 confirmation

I am charged with 0% (nothing) for any online shopping that I make by debit cards/credit cards. That's why I am asking "Why would I use BTC in this case while I already have a bank account, credit cards, debit cards, traditional financial instruments?"
1405  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bitcoin Exchange Gemini Approved for Launch in New York on: October 11, 2015, 02:41:55 AM
You forget something which must be VERY important to BTC community. It seems it was forgotten; The anonymity. The core of BTC. Smiley

Gemini, Coinbase and others like them are bringing what you didn't want.... regulation, taxes, GOVs which will know everything you make with your coins and so on.

How is with stories like BTC is made for anonymity, privacy? Smiley

Bitcoin never was anonym. Lots people still think it is, but even if you have no tech knoleage and only monitor press you see it is not. Monero is coin with anonymity features.


My question is: Why would I use BTC in this case while I already have a bank account, credit cards, debit cards, traditional financial instruments?


Because is cheaper and faster (maybe right now in many cases that is not correct but in long run should be).

Cheaper and faster? I can buy anything I want with credit cards/debit cards for "free"(no fee) and in a blink of eye. What you mean with BTC is cheaper and faster? Now, you are waiting 15 min or more for a transaction to be confirmed.
1406  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The future of Bitcoin on: October 11, 2015, 02:38:40 AM

a lot of "bla bla" without any result. in the mean time, Australian banks closed all the bank accounts related to BTC, many countries banned Bitcoin and so on.

Any bank has compliance and any AML and compliance dept. will take very serious things like :

Europol: Bitcoin May Become Sole Currency for EU Cybercriminals

http://www.coindesk.com/europol-bitcoin-european-cybercriminals/

BTC will never be what the BTC media is buzzing all day long, a mainstream currency. BTC is very hard to be understand by the common people, the transactions processing take a lot and it's not safe.

I don't want you to come and saying but neither the banks are not safe. Yes, agree with you but be honest and tell me where would you keep your hard earned money(life savings), in a bank or in BTC? Smiley

You will be hypocrite if you will say, Bitcoin.

Please just do me a favour and name only 1 country that officially has banned Bitcoin?

Ask a normal person if they know how a website of the www gets opened over http protocol into their web browser window? 95% will have absolutely no clue what you are takling about. But they all know how to use a web browser and a search engine.
Ask people how a car works. Most don't know.But they know how to drive. Did you get my point? Wink

I wouldn't put all my savings in Bitcoin right now as it still is in very early stages and needs to grow.
But I also wouldn't hold all my savings in fiat money and even worse deposit it in a bank where I know it is not mine.It is loaned.
I would hold my savings outside of banks and diversify as good as possible depending on individual situation.

Hi there,

Here is the favour. Smiley I will give you 10 countries which they officially banned Bitcoin not one.

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/top-10-countries-bitcoin-banned/

I can give many more banks which have banned Bitcoin.

BTC is hard to be used by the normal people. It's not the same as www. Come on Smiley

You need to download the application. you need to find an exchanger, you must be verified, you need to send a bank wire and then you can use the BTC. Smiley

Hard to do it and useless.... when you have credit cards available. BTC will never be what the BTC media is buzzing daily, a currency. BTC will remain a niche and nothing more.
1407  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The future of Bitcoin on: October 10, 2015, 03:25:29 AM

a lot of "bla bla" without any result. in the mean time, Australian banks closed all the bank accounts related to BTC, many countries banned Bitcoin and so on.

Any bank has compliance and any AML and compliance dept. will take very serious things like :

Europol: Bitcoin May Become Sole Currency for EU Cybercriminals

http://www.coindesk.com/europol-bitcoin-european-cybercriminals/

BTC will never be what the BTC media is buzzing all day long, a mainstream currency. BTC is very hard to be understand by the common people, the transactions processing take a lot and it's not safe.

I don't want you to come and saying but neither the banks are not safe. Yes, agree with you but be honest and tell me where would you keep your hard earned money(life savings), in a bank or in BTC? Smiley

You will be hypocrite if you will say, Bitcoin.
1408  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bitcoin Exchange Gemini Approved for Launch in New York on: October 10, 2015, 03:15:55 AM
Bitcoin must be regulated. There is no other way if bitcoin will want to survive, to have the right to be and to have the same status as the other currencies. The anonymity of bitcoin can be used, or better misused, from the evildoers. This can cause only bad reputation and banning of it from every country. Everyone which love bitcoin must fight that it can be accepted through the regulations in its country.

Maybe while we're at it, we can set up some credit reference agencies to lose all our personal data.   Roll Eyes

Adding central points of failure doesn't make the system better.  Certain Bitcoin services should be regulated if they deal with fiat, but the network itself would only be weakened by adding authorities to hoard personal data or decide what should and shouldn't be allowed.

Should the Bitcoin protocol be regulated?

In short, no. Every so often, someone calls for Bitcoin to be centrally regulated by a trusted body in the mistaken belief that it would help prevent scams, thefts and frauds. Although it sounds like a good idea, this is actually a dangerous line of thinking and could potentially jeopardise Bitcoin's future.

Bitcoin is designed as a transaction between two people, without relying on a trusted third party. Any attempt to add regulation to the protocol would introduce a controlling third party, which could potentially block, freeze or otherwise restrict transactions. This would damage Bitcoin's fungibility and could break the currency as a whole. Once a regulator has control, there is nothing to stop them doing what they like. There's also no evidence to suggest that central regulation would in fact lessen the number of thefts or scams.

People who ask for Bitcoin to be centrally regulated are generally considered to have misunderstood the fundamental concept of the Bitcoin network. Bitcoin is decentralised by design, as this guarantees it being neutral, incorruptible and secure. See the "Why is decentralisation important?" section to explain further.

It's good that people have the option to use a regulated exchange if that's what makes them feel secure, but that choice shouldn't be forced on everyone.

To be regulated means that the GOVs know about you, you will pay taxes and so on. Regulations for an exchanger means to be a financial company like any other existing one.

My question is: Why would I use BTC in this case while I already have a bank account, credit cards, debit cards, traditional financial instruments?

Why would I need Bitcoin if I am forced to provide the same documents in order to buy and sell BTC as I provide to any bank?

More than that, I can pay more quickly by using a credit card for example and almost any merchant is accepting credit cards these days...
1409  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The future of Bitcoin on: October 09, 2015, 02:27:51 PM
Bitcoin has made massive headways into the mainstream financial world. Although not accepted by all, it will continue to grow and prosper, despite those who would prefer to see it shut down. More trouble will arise for bitcoin, but it will overcome and persevere.


where is that mainstream or financial world? Smiley

Australian's banks just closed all the BTC exchanger's accounts a week ago .BTC is banned in many countries.

The banks are opening  accounts for BTC exchangers very hard and with a lot of lobby. Make a search and you will see these things.

The "mainstream" idea is only in the BTC media which in financed by the same group of people who are owning the big "exchangers". There are interests to attract more sheep and nothing more Smiley

1410  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Coinbase pays the fee for its users? on: October 09, 2015, 02:16:18 PM
I see that they are trying really hard to increase its customer base and increase Bitcoin adoption. They are giving nice affiliate bonuses, they are paying also transaction fees. I never liked them because of the accusations that they work closely with the government and that they close accounts for no reason, etc,  but I salute their dedication by doing these little things.

Totally agree with this. I have them as my main wallet (I only have about 1 BTC), and it works great for selling and having the money in your bank account easily. Also for buying. Yes, perhaps privacy is not high, but I don't mind that much.


Well, Bitcoin was made for anonymity. I laugh a lot when I see that the peple does not care about that anymore.

There were tones of pages on this forum where the people were screaming that BTC offers full privacy and that it offers protection against GOVs, bad people, illuminaty and other stories .  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Now, all the exchangers are looking for regulations, licences which means the END of the privacy.What is very odd? Nobody is saying nothing. It's OK like that as long you make some cash , right?  Grin Grin Grin

In end, it only matters  the cash  but let's not be hypocrites and to admit it. Smiley
Thoses services offer an advantage to attract users, no one is obliged to use them, we have bitcoin core and the other cold storage also blockchain.info and many other online wallets.
If someone don't care so much about his identity to be revealed then he can use it.


How do you cash out or cash in Bitcoin? By using one of these exchangers, right? Well, these exchangers are requesting you a lot of papers about you. Soon, they will want your fingerprint...

As I know, BTC was made to offer anonymity and nothing more. There are plenty of e-currencies which are asking for documents.Why would I use Bitcoin when I have Paypal and other similar systems like this one? I have credit cards which I can easily use them everywhere.

BTC attracted people because of this feature called, anonymity. Now, it disappeared and nobody is saying a word Smiley
Where are the "legendary" members to scream agaist GOVs, Illumitati and so on?  They did it years ago. They said Bitcoin will never be like Paypal and here we are. You cannot buy or sell Bitcoin without documents. Grin Grin

The banks are requesting the same documents as Gemeni, Coinbase, etc.

Exchangers are looking for regulations even regulations means NO anonymity
NO anonymity = against Bitcoin's "core" Smiley

Again, why would someone need BTC in these circumstances while there are credit, debit cards? The banks are asking me the same papers like Gemini, Coinbase are asking.
I can buy anything with credit cards in a blink of eye...without waiting 15 minutes for endless BTC confirmations.
Also, the banks are offering much more security than any "private" wallet....
Agree with you, and for this reason i stopped using xapo and closed my account there when I discovered that I have to give too much paper to get my btc address! (btw didn't revealed my identity when I joined coinbase)
But as I said before, not everyone is caring so much about his identity.

How do you use Coinbase if you are not verified?
Also, why would someone use Bitcoin if they have to reveal his/her identity? Why not using the traditional payment systems like bank wires, credit cards and so on?
BTC is an e-currency and nothing more. Each e-currency must have a little advantage for using it. BTC has a huge time for transaction processing, it's complicated for new comers. On top, you need to provide documents if you want to fund or withdrawn funds from it.

So, what's the advantage now? It was in the past... but "today"?


1411  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Coinbase pays the fee for its users? on: October 09, 2015, 02:06:36 AM
I see that they are trying really hard to increase its customer base and increase Bitcoin adoption. They are giving nice affiliate bonuses, they are paying also transaction fees. I never liked them because of the accusations that they work closely with the government and that they close accounts for no reason, etc,  but I salute their dedication by doing these little things.

Totally agree with this. I have them as my main wallet (I only have about 1 BTC), and it works great for selling and having the money in your bank account easily. Also for buying. Yes, perhaps privacy is not high, but I don't mind that much.


Well, Bitcoin was made for anonymity. I laugh a lot when I see that the peple does not care about that anymore.

There were tones of pages on this forum where the people were screaming that BTC offers full privacy and that it offers protection against GOVs, bad people, illuminaty and other stories .  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Now, all the exchangers are looking for regulations, licences which means the END of the privacy.What is very odd? Nobody is saying nothing. It's OK like that as long you make some cash , right?  Grin Grin Grin

In end, it only matters  the cash  but let's not be hypocrites and to admit it. Smiley
Thoses services offer an advantage to attract users, no one is obliged to use them, we have bitcoin core and the other cold storage also blockchain.info and many other online wallets.
If someone don't care so much about his identity to be revealed then he can use it.


How do you cash out or cash in Bitcoin? By using one of these exchangers, right? Well, these exchangers are requesting you a lot of papers about you. Soon, they will want your fingerprint...

As I know, BTC was made to offer anonymity and nothing more. There are plenty of e-currencies which are asking for documents.Why would I use Bitcoin when I have Paypal and other similar systems like this one? I have credit cards which I can easily use them everywhere.

BTC attracted people because of this feature called, anonymity. Now, it disappeared and nobody is saying a word Smiley
Where are the "legendary" members to scream agaist GOVs, Illumitati and so on?  They did it years ago. They said Bitcoin will never be like Paypal and here we are. You cannot buy or sell Bitcoin without documents. Grin Grin

The banks are requesting the same documents as Gemeni, Coinbase, etc.

Exchangers are looking for regulations even regulations means NO anonymity
NO anonymity = against Bitcoin's "core" Smiley

Again, why would someone need BTC in these circumstances while there are credit, debit cards? The banks are asking me the same papers like Gemini, Coinbase are asking.
I can buy anything with credit cards in a blink of eye...without waiting 15 minutes for endless BTC confirmations.
Also, the banks are offering much more security than any "private" wallet....

1412  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bitcoin Exchange Gemini Approved for Launch in New York on: October 09, 2015, 01:59:03 AM
You forget something which must be VERY important to BTC community. It seems it was forgotten; The anonymity. The core of BTC. Smiley

Gemini, Coinbase and others like them are bringing what you didn't want.... regulation, taxes, GOVs which will know everything you make with your coins and so on.

How is with stories like BTC is made for anonymity, privacy? Smiley
1413  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Bitcoin Exchange Gemini Approved for Launch in New York on: October 08, 2015, 12:42:46 AM
Jim Cramer just screamed "Boo YAAA !! "

Wall Street's answer to MtGox is what?  

...

another centralized exchange.  

yawn.  borrring.   Tongue

Wall Street's answer to MtGox is too regulated to Gox its customers. It's insured in case if it ever gets hacked, or finds its cold wallet has mysteriously leaked its coins, not that I think that's going to happen. Gemini is what Bitcoin needs to counteract all the damage Gox did to Bitcoin's image. I'd trust it 1000 times more than an exchange run by one fat bloke in Japan who's wanted for hacking crimes he committed in France.

I must agree with you. Exchanges like Gemini can only do good to us and they are necessary in order to fix all the crap that Mt. Gox has caused us and which all of the Bitcoin's opponents are so gladly remembering each time they have to bash Bitcoin all over again.

You forget something which must be VERY important to BTC community. It seems it was forgotten; The anonymity. The core of BTC. Smiley

Gemini, Coinbase and others like them are bringing what you didn't want.... regulation, taxes, GOVs which will know everything you make with your coins and so on.

How is with stories like BTC is made for anonymity, privacy? Smiley
1414  Economy / Web Wallets / Re: Coinbase pays the fee for its users? on: October 08, 2015, 12:23:12 AM
I see that they are trying really hard to increase its customer base and increase Bitcoin adoption. They are giving nice affiliate bonuses, they are paying also transaction fees. I never liked them because of the accusations that they work closely with the government and that they close accounts for no reason, etc,  but I salute their dedication by doing these little things.

Totally agree with this. I have them as my main wallet (I only have about 1 BTC), and it works great for selling and having the money in your bank account easily. Also for buying. Yes, perhaps privacy is not high, but I don't mind that much.


Well, Bitcoin was made for anonymity. I laugh a lot when I see that the peple does not care about that anymore.

There were tones of pages on this forum where the people were screaming that BTC offers full privacy and that it offers protection against GOVs, bad people, illuminaty and other stories .  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Now, all the exchangers are looking for regulations, licences which means the END of the privacy.What is very odd? Nobody is saying nothing. It's OK like that as long you make some cash , right?  Grin Grin Grin

In end, it only matters  the cash  but let's not be hypocrites and to admit it. Smiley
1415  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The future of Bitcoin on: October 08, 2015, 12:16:08 AM
Future of Bitcoin? Dead like any other e-currency.

The start up companies will milk the money from stupid investors until the last ones will say STOP. I have read a lot of stories where the start up companies said that they are not interested to provide services to public for "now" but to receive capital from some investors. Smiley

Coinbase + others like it are on minus with the renevue and expenses and the investors won't be able to recover 100+ millions invested.

So, this is the future of BTC. Nothing new in the e-currency business. This time, it was made with a lot of media buzz and that's why it is bigger but the end is the same. Smiley

You must be mentally sick or novice in this industry to think that this market is not manipulated by few "actors". I know, I know, there is manipulations on all the markets but let's get real . BTC  is backed on nothing...

Once a big exchanger will be down(it will happen very soon), the BTC price will go near to zero where it belongs. Smiley
1416  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Gavin is so desperate about his fork? Is he hiding something? on: August 28, 2015, 04:30:32 PM
Look at the cryptocurrency list at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cryptocurrencies. Most of these if not all have their own blockchain. Let XT have its own blockchain, even if it uses the same one as regular Bitcoin for its beginning. Keep Bitcoin pure. Make XT a new currency.

Smiley

exactly. it's an altcoin like any other fork of bitcoin and that's how it should be in my opinion. let them do whatever, but don't touch bitcoin with this proposal.

great point. Xt is an ALTcoin
1417  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who thinks Gavin Anderson knows who Satoshi is? on: August 23, 2015, 03:57:43 PM
now the important think is not about that.
cause i think there is no one knows about who is Satoshi.
cause the identity has hidden.

it's a fictional person. read above Smiley
1418  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who thinks Gavin Anderson knows who Satoshi is? on: August 23, 2015, 01:45:03 PM
You do not ever wonder who are the guys who develop the BTC core. All of them are coming from the e-currency businesses. They are not saints at all. All of them wants money. They are not dreamers like many of you.... Smiley

BTC was created to make money for a bunch of people. "Satoshi" is a fictional person which represent a group of people (they know each other) who are coming from the e-currency industry(e-gold, Osgold and so on).

They created a nice story which was "eated" by the hungry hipsters, they promote it in the HYIP industry(anyway, they were part of it), they changed the normal HYIPs in so called forex trading in order to be trendy and done... here we are; a NEW e-currency. Yes, it's trendy, fancy  "decentralized" which it is not true Smiley

You didn't ever ask yourself, what are the relations between the main developers, exchangers and merchants. Who is behind the curtain?.

Just make a simple search regarding to the main exchangers like CoinBase, Bitstamp, BTC China, Ripple and so on.
Do you know that SatoshiDICE owns more than 60% from the existing BTC ?  lol.  You will find the SAME people as "shareholders".

The same shareholders are the sponsors for many news media websites which promote Bitcoins.

wake up ! nobody wants you to be rich. this business was created to serve "few" people and you are just sheep who "eat" crumbs from their table. Smiley nothing wrong with that but you just have to accept it and move forward.
1419  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Gavin is so desperate about his fork? Is he hiding something? on: August 21, 2015, 02:18:16 PM
Nick Szabo is asking the same:

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If it seems like the limit is getting hit persistently, and confirmation times are becoming a problem, an emergency limit increase is something that the core devs can patch very simply and quickly.  They can execute such an emergency block size “QE” if you will, at a moments notice.  They have demonstratively done this kind of deployment before, during the one previous hard fork, and with the F2Pool bug.  So what is the rush?

http://wallstreettechnologist.com/2015/08/19/bitcoin-xt-vs-core-blocksize-limit-the-schism-that-divides-us-all/

The rush is that there is something that Gavin and Mike are hiding. They are trying to get this fork pushed through under the guise of bigger blocks, but what's the real update they are hiding? Is it a blacklist?

Perhaps a government entity approached the "chief scientist" of bitcoin with an offer he could not refuse. Something along the lines of "get us in and we'll make sure you or your children will never have to work again". Sounds like a spy movie? Truth is stranger than fiction, and certain folks have A LOT to lose if bitcoin succeeds.


true.
1420  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why Gavin is so desperate about his fork? Is he hiding something? on: August 19, 2015, 11:01:37 PM
It's disturbing how Gavin is not posting to the community at all, he's doing all this in silence.

He probably can't even look his own image in the mirror straight in the eyes...

All this would not have been possible if he would have had to defend his proposal in front of community in direct conversation.

true!
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