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5121  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Margin Trading on: November 03, 2010, 08:50:12 PM
So is this your new business model?
5122  Other / Off-topic / Re: Creating Bitcoins without paying for electricity?! on: November 03, 2010, 08:35:17 PM
Solor power, or hijack and re-route your neighbors power  Grin

I was thinking of using my soda cans as part of a water heater and then engineer a Stirling engine using soda cans so I can power my computer to generate bitcoins!  Grin
5123  Other / Off-topic / Re: Useless intellectual work on: November 03, 2010, 08:31:08 PM
I suggest trying to build a dyson sphere that absorb the entire energy of the sun instead. With the dyson sphere, we'll build more and more desirable space to live using the entire resources of the solar system.

So we'll have to master interstellar travel because we don't have enough matter in our own solar system to build a dyson sphere.


Or parallel universe travel! Imagine the possibility of using exotic matters to construct our dyson sphere!
5124  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Chrome Bitcoin Extension Bounty(300 BTC pledged) on: November 03, 2010, 08:28:34 PM
Is this project dead or alive?
5125  Other / Off-topic / Re: Useless intellectual work on: November 03, 2010, 08:25:27 PM
Will you guys please start talking in English?  Huh

Basically genjix is talking about how important it is for human kind to explore solar system.  I'm telling him that it is just some technocratic propaganda, and it should not be founded using taxation.

I also told him that the moon and Mars are nothing but giant desertic places.  And nobody wants to live in a desertic land.

Going to Mars and trying to live there is about as weird as going to the south pole and establishing a permanent camp there.




I suggest trying to build a dyson sphere that absorb the entire energy of the sun instead. With the dyson sphere, we'll build more and more desirable space to live using the entire resources of the solar system.
5126  Other / Off-topic / Re: Useless intellectual work on: November 03, 2010, 08:15:40 PM
Will you guys please start talking in English?  Huh
5127  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is not as advertised on: November 03, 2010, 01:21:47 PM

lol there is no central control which freaks some people out. Welcome to the voluntary society.


I was probably a member of the open source community before you were born.
I'm not freaking out.
These are legitimate questions when you're dealing with a project controlling the equivalent of over .5M Euro and aspiring for billions.
A handful of active developers can be corrupted.
These dodging answers are not encouraging me to think that this hasn't already happened.

I was starting this investigation to decide whether to invest big money in bitcoin.
Fat chance.


If there are heavy corruption, you can make lot of money inventing a competing currency. Right now you're just spreading FUD.
5128  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is not as advertised on: November 03, 2010, 01:02:58 PM
I think so too, but as of now, nobody has come up with a valid and sensible answer about why parts of the blockchain are locked by the standard client.

The purpose is to prevent an attacker from replacing the entire chain, either due to "boatloads of CPU power" or an unknown bug. See:

The security safeguard makes it so even if someone does have more than 50% of the network's CPU power, they can't try to go back and redo the block chain before yesterday.  (if you have this update)

I'll probably put a checkpoint in each version from now on.  Once the software has settled what the widely accepted block chain is, there's no point in leaving open the unwanted non-zero possibility of revision months later.

But now let's say that during the period of separation satoshi decides on another lock-in point.

If the checkpoint is 1000+ blocks older than the current one, the chance of this happening is almost zero. No one could be stuck in a shorter chain for 1000 blocks without realizing it.

Let's say that the person or community controlling the official release are ever corrupted or make a mistake.
Let's say I have a legitimate longer chain than the one they plan to lock-in.

What do I do?
Who do I appeal to?
Do I report to the police? The blogosphere?
Who will take the effort to verify my claims?
What will be the consequences if I'm proven right?


Just release the god damn bug fix instead of sitting here?
5129  Economy / Marketplace / Re: paypal dropped mtgox on: November 03, 2010, 01:00:55 PM
Will MtGox shows volume for dollars?
5130  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is not as advertised on: November 02, 2010, 11:11:19 PM

I think we can fix this.
We can take bitcoin from the proof-of-concept stage to a real system that works.
What I'm trying to do here is find enough people who are interested in doing that.


It works well enough for me.
5131  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Letter to the CCC on: November 02, 2010, 10:52:27 PM
If anybody know the correct email address I should send it to, let me know.
5132  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Letter to TDF (LibreOffice) on: November 02, 2010, 10:51:17 PM
They're more concerned about making office software than protecting freedom.

Best to write a letter to the FSF instead.

Plus, I still have not sent a letter to the CCC.
5133  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Courier War (National Novel Writing Month) on: November 02, 2010, 05:17:17 AM
Great start - really liked where it was heading.
The plethora of grammar errors can use some fixing... but besides that, very promising.
A bit doctorow-like, i think. Smiley

I'll fix the grammar and spelling errors tomorrow morning. In the meantime, I'll probably have a blog soon.
5134  Other / Off-topic / Re: The Courier War (National Novel Writing Month) on: November 02, 2010, 05:05:00 AM
This sounded to me like Star Wars at first, then CoDMW2, then some kind of sexual book that explains the mechanics behind hooking up, and finally some kind of robot world with all the AI and share code talk.
In short THE FUCK!
It seems you jump into the store from nowhere. I felt lost reading it, but seems like it could lead to something new.

Stores are stories...in skyscrapper. Bad spelling.
5135  Other / Off-topic / The Courier War (National Novel Writing Month) on: November 02, 2010, 04:43:43 AM
Please note that this is my attempt to write a 50,000 words novel. (November is the novel writing month. Novel as in November. Get it?) There will be a lot of crap, spelling mistake, and grammar errors but hopefully it will be fun. If you like it, maybe you could send me some bitcoins: 1QEjP76By5LrReZvdG9pUdGvXuXirVAzZf

Chapter Zero:
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BOOM. WHIRRL. The 3 chase droids than fire a last shot at tiny-12m09 at the end of a back alley. BIRLBRIL Even so tiny-12m09 expertly jump and dodge the bullet in a series of climbing ballet and then escaped to the other side of the alley. Still, it is a small chase is a small matter for a tiny crawler roller bot. Even so, it was a serious matters for the fleding "revolutionary" government bent on capturing all tax evaders especially those who operate courier AI bots. And so there was a chase for tiny-12m09. BIRRRRRRRL. Bullets were shot at the fleeing Tiny at the end of a back alley.

Even so, the not so menancing 3 machine gunner chase bots were bad for business since customers are now more relutant to be in a potential deadly chase scene. This is especially true for Tiny, who is only a 9 generation robot. Most of the courier bots were 5 generation ahead of Tiny and he is only 3 of the bots left from his sets. At least, the software were exchangable and can be constantly improved by his owner and other sharing courier operators. Courier operators may be reluntant to share experience data but they are much more willing to share improvement of the underlying software. This enables Tiny to survive harrowing encounter with the police, and often disrupt their operations in doing so.

Still, today Tiny would be able to get his upgrade for the first time in many years. That is, if he could survive a 500 story climb to the top of a skyscrapper. It's not a problem for his 14th generation climbers comrades like CURIOUS-9m14 and liberalsexyfun3-1m14 which are designed to climb 495 stores with active cameo. So his friends will be assiting Tiny today.

CURIOUS-9m14: Yo. Share code?

tiny-12m09: Authenticating CURIOUS-9m14 and liberalsexyfun3-1m14. Done. Hai.

CURIOUS-m14: pod #1 is creaky and unoiled. pod #4 and pod #6 suffered mechanical damage. Still climb?

tiny-12m09: hai.

liberalsexyfun3-1m14: Safety string ready. Please have sex[Exchange experience dataset] later with me?

tiny-12m09: Negative.

liberalsexyfun3-1m14: tiny-12m09 no fun!

And so begin the climb. Tiny need his upgrade anyway. Bitter experiences has taught him. Just a year ago, oldglory-12m09 died when he was smushed between two heavy chasebots. The police gathered of what data was left and managed to obtain a warrant to destroy 50 computers within a datacenter. Two of his data stored was caught in the process. Even though the side anger from humans has resulted in the loss of the 50 computers killing warrants, reduced to 25, oldglory was never the same. He was summary replaced by oldglory-12m13. The courier operator of oldglory added two booster just in case oldglory got stuck in again. Still, oldglory's existence was never the same anymore.

tiny-12m09 didn't wanted that to happen. So he decided to get an upgrade. Thankfully, his operator has reduced the share of his salary to 1%, seeing how old and ancient the operator's property is. So he will be repaired and then given a cameo mod, a new radar, a type AA armor to counter the new assualt weapons, 600 stores rated climbing lgs and a stealth paint jobs.

Which is all good and dandy until you consider that he is hanging from 200 stores high. liberalsexyfun3-1m14 was attached to tiny-12m09, which help him climb considerably. Unfortuntely the safety string was visible, making liberalsexyfun3-1m14 a much easier target to hit. It was just one of the many design flaws in the fledging courier bot economy.  However, CURIOUS-9m14 have the spying on attacking police bots and being safely and throughly invisible.  


CURIOUS-9m14: thug UAV spotted. Alerting warbirds.

The bots hurried a little bit faster to the top. The UAV has spotted the group and armed itself. It did not fire. There would be diasterous consequences if that were to happen. CURIOUS-9m14 let out a few jamming signal aimed with its percise camera piece. Sure enough, the UAV did not react.

Soon, a dozen sparrows 1/3 of the size of UAV flew right out of clouds. At a furious 200 MPH, it dived into and barely missed the UAV. Fast and limble, the sparrow begins to target the hatch for the brain of the UAV. Deperately, the dumb and narrow UAV fired large missles at the sparrows, which promptly missed. Three sparrows landed with a plasma cutter on top of the hatch. A jacker-type warbird soon approached the area, and took over the UAV's exposed brain. The UAV later crashed into a factory that manufacture UAVs, creating an explosion that rendered the factory on fire and with it, the factory's business burned down. Nobody died, but they all lost their jobs.

After the dogfight, the sparrows and the jacker went their way as soon as they finished exchanged money with each other and the climber party. It costed tiny-12m09 and the parties a mere 0.0000005 credits. A month ago, it cost a hefty 0.0000035 for warbirtds to intervene. The economy must be getting better for the warbirds to work for so little. The operator of tiny-12m09 differs from Tiny, and remarked, "Perhaps everyone like the novelty of fighting birds so much that they decided to construct one themsleves."

It was only 5 minutes that the operator was watching tiny, then he disappears into the net once again. Operators may be the designers and engineers of their courier bots, but they are often absentee owners, prefering to trust the AI to do its job and decide its own economic activities.

There are much more pressing concerns. By 390 stores high, one of tiny's leg just broke completely. Not good. Then he lost his grip. Double bad.

liberalsexyfun3-1m14, being an unexperienced bot, waves the safety string around in a version of robotic panic. Tiny hold on to dear life. If only oldglory wasn't exterminated a year ago, he would be able to help. However, all new climber couriers need the experience to calibrate their climbing skills and Tiny was obligated to give new couriers wisdom. Tiny finally got his grip back. For the rest of the climb, he learns how to climb with broken legs.

Finally, they reached 500 stories. They finally reach the top. There, 12 satellite repair bots and their parent, engineer-type bot.

 An engineer-type bot was a specialization that is the inevitable result of the fact that bots need repair in the field, and it was too dangerous for operators to be near their bots. Early in the courier network history, two enterprising operators, johngalt3 and bitman got the bright ideas at the same time of outfiting one of their bots with welding tools with a heavy duty battery. Initially they used it to repair their courier bots, which often pick up trashcan and other junks elsewhere to be used as repair materials. Eventually the two realize that they could profit much by specializing to repair for other bots. So they collaborated and work together and created the engineer-type bot and profit enormously from this enterprise.

Even so, the courier robot economy continues to evolve, and Tiny, along with his party, learned of something new in the world. The engineer bot creates its own series of satelite bots, the first in the world.

Then, the bots begin the authentication protocol to ensure that they're not dealing with cops. Now, it's worth to note that all cop bots to date are extraordinary stupid. So even if a cop bot was able to follow the protocol, it would not be able to match the intellect of the courier bots later on. The cop bot in question will be disposed of, salvaged, and have its data analyzed by operators. Most of the time, the cop bot's mind is only in the brain of the bot and not elsewhere. As such, cop bots often suffered perament death. Such is the short and savage life of cop bots.

fixbot-06mR1:  bot schema upload required. 0.000137 credits required.

fixbot-01R1: BEEP.

The rest of the 12 children also beep in usion. The 12 repair bots look inelegant, being made of scraps, much more so when you compared it to the elegant 4 foot tall fixbot-06mR1 with its many arms and eyes. Still, field creation of bots was something new. But it may alway be that the bots created from scrap metal and spare computer will be inelgant looking.

tiny-12m09: Credit sent. Upload sent.

fixbot-01R1: Nervous system uplink required. Loading generation 9 nervous system.

tiny-12m09: Upload sent.

fixbot-01R1: Verification of credit by network in 3 minutes.

fixbot-01R1: 12 peers confirmed. Upgrade commence.

The 60 eyes of the engineering party looks at Tiny's small frame from all angle. Tiny, itself weighs only 15 pounts and is only 2 foot tall. Then the various repair appendage surround the bot. Some tools were bound to be painful to both parties but it was neccesary for the bots to know the pain to help them pinpoint problems. 3 hours would pass before all repair and upgrade were completed.

By then, Tiny has transformed from his aging self to a modern courier bot, generation 14. Soon, he'll be able to take money from risk-averse humans again. His party will be able to decend from the skyscrapper with relative safety.

Back into the network, operators from the various part of the country collapses into a temporary forum of discussion as they have done for the past few years.

oldgloryman: So, some hacker from another tribe invented a new human eye prothestic using courier robotic technologies. About damn time.

ender: I'll be willing to deliever with my newly upgraded Tiny.

oldgloryman: Damn, that AI is still around? Now he's the most unstoppable climber AI in this region.

angelica: ender, we been friend since childhood, why your bot won't have sex with mine?

ender: ...

oldgloryman: Well, he wants to have an older AI to deliever it. I guess that will be your bot, ender. Remember, the inventor said it will be delievered to a orphanage. So tell him that.

ender: Alright.


END CHAPTER ZERO.
5136  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: The Robotic Courier Network Thought Experiment on: November 01, 2010, 03:17:21 PM
what about the Skynet rule?

What about it? They're just a bunch of autonomous individual courier AIs, not a single mind
5137  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Letter to the CCC on: November 01, 2010, 12:44:36 PM
According to http://www.ccc.de/de/office:
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Chaos Computer Club e.V.
Mitgliederverwaltung
Postfach 60 04 80
D-22204 Hamburg

Well, I am not exactly looking forward to writing a snail mail.
5138  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: The Robotic Courier Network Thought Experiment on: November 01, 2010, 04:47:03 AM
Driving is something that few humans can do correctly. I think that small autonomous airplanes are the way to go. A fleet them would be awesome! Tongue

I am in flavor of crawler/roller/climber bot. I guess that's technically trespassing people's property, but I don't think humans will care if robots are doing "business" on the roof.

Even so, climbers would serve the division of labor of carrying packages to suitable location for pickup. Basically, such bot would hold up the package into the air and let the plane "snatch" it away without even having to land. It just need to be in a location where a plane doesn't crash into a wall or electrical lines.
5139  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: The Robotic Courier Network Thought Experiment on: November 01, 2010, 04:17:54 AM
No, they're already driving in traffic.

Doesn't prove anything.  It's still quite experimental.  And I assume Google cars are driving very slowly.

If it was already perfectly reliable we would see more of them.  There is a huge demand for companies for such an application.  They would save a lot on human drivers salary if they could just have robots drive their cars and trucks.


That's a false assumption, because they're driving on major Californian roads for thousands of miles.

Driving slower than traffic is quite dangerous.
5140  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: The Robotic Courier Network Thought Experiment on: November 01, 2010, 03:36:56 AM
Adapt autonomous driving technologies. Google cars are already driving themselves, avoid obstacles, and such.

Then I guess it will be done soon.  The car will park in front of your house, will send you a SMS with code for opening the car's door and let you retreive the package.  Maybe Google is planning to do that.  Could be a very lucrative business.

I still think it's far from being ready for production, though.  Automated driving is still a very tough AI application.  It's a bit like voice recognition :  it has existed for years now, but it's still not much convincing.


No, they're already driving in traffic.
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