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5281  Economy / Speculation / Re: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love FUD on: February 10, 2017, 03:25:22 PM
Those ''depressing'' sub $200-$400 opportunity's where indeed very nice  Cheesy

depression time for some but happiest days of some others lives.
i remember the day i opened up the exchange site and saw my low bid at $180 that i never even imagined getting filled, was filled!
it sure was scary for a moment but then every day that passed i became happier
5282  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 09, 2017, 03:33:00 PM
losing the mining is alarming, i dunno how things would pan out if they did or even whether it's possible
The only possible ways to do that is to prevent the farms to communicate on internet (impossible), or to physically delete the farms, ie put people in jail and/or burn the miners (not likely but possible for big farms because of the electric bill)

there are lots of people making money because of the existence of mining farms in China. from the owners of the farm and their employees to small electric companies who owe their survival to mining farms and their special contracts, and the hardware companies manufacturing mining equipment.

don't think for a second government can even touch such a huge financial operation with so many big people involved.

miningfarms will most likely not be shut down, but instead they could very well be forced to mine the official chinese cryptocurrency that the chinese gov has already announced. that would be a much more possible scenario imo.

i somehow doubt it.
because official cryptocurrency must be centralized in full control of the government. the same way paper money (cash) is centralized and in full control of government. you don't see them ask a third party to print money for them!
in the same way they won't even allow anybody else to touch their official cryptocurrency but themselves, and the banks. that way they can control everything there is to control, hash rate, any change or update,...
5283  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: February 09, 2017, 03:20:22 PM
losing the mining is alarming, i dunno how things would pan out if they did or even whether it's possible
The only possible ways to do that is to prevent the farms to communicate on internet (impossible), or to physically delete the farms, ie put people in jail and/or burn the miners (not likely but possible for big farms because of the electric bill)

there are lots of people making money because of the existence of mining farms in China. from the owners of the farm and their employees to small electric companies who owe their survival to mining farms and their special contracts, and the hardware companies manufacturing mining equipment.

don't think for a second government can even touch such a huge financial operation with so many big people involved.
5284  Economy / Speculation / Re: Anyone thinking China regulation is cause of drop should rethink his whole life on: February 09, 2017, 03:13:58 PM
it is simply manipulation using a hot news.
they built it up in the previous days, and today in a couple of hours ago they started dumping at high price of 1050+ to create panic.

you can see signs of their manipulation on this board too. so many new accounts are being created saying the same lies.

and guess who is going to buy at the bottom from those who panic dump? exactly the same people who sold at 1050+ to start the panic.

Out of interest who is they?

I kind of think you are right though, was going up too quick and when it does that it doesn't take much to also have a big drop. The China bans bitcoin news is getting a bit stale too

every single source that was spreading the news.
every single 100-700BTC dump at once that took place on big exchanges. i wish i took a screenshot of it in the beginning.

and price wasn't rising that fast either. it was actually a slow rise compared to all the other times it goes up like a rocket.
5285  Economy / Speculation / Re: And yet another crash, lets get the wallet out, time to stock up :) on: February 09, 2017, 03:03:54 PM
Yet again China crashes the market,  tho i dont expect it to last long, so remember buy the dips .....lol

actually i expect this to last long. the FUD is still hot as it is, and they are going to continue spreading it, while dumping coins on the exchanges to push price lower.

and when this phase ends, all of the manipulators and all those who sold in initial phase have lots of money at hand to buy at the bottom so another long accumulation will shape up.

at what price and for how long is impossible to tell right now. it mostly depends on how many will panic sell today.
5286  Economy / Economics / Re: Will you invest in a MLM scam in early stage? on: February 09, 2017, 02:55:38 PM
if someday i decided to take ridiculous risks and in other words to gamble with my precious bitcoins then i would go to a proper casino and take some risks there.

i would never in a million years hand over my precious bitcoins to a scammer to take them and run away.
5287  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin for the rich, not the poor - We are talking about the miners fees on: February 09, 2017, 02:49:05 PM
sadly this is turning into reality for bitcoin, and some times it almost feels like miners and developers don't care about these issues. and despite all the nonstop talk about "block size debate" so far nothing has changed.
5288  Economy / Speculation / Re: Anyone thinking China regulation is cause of drop should rethink his whole life on: February 09, 2017, 02:42:08 PM
LOL the things people say when their scheme is falling apart.

Bitcoin is fundamentally flawed at protocol level. It doesn't scale and offers no usable privacy! There is no application for the system in a real world economy with real people.

it is almost funny that you only show up when there is a manipulation going on and price goes down. the rest of the times you go into a deep winter sleep waiting for another drop to come out.
5289  Economy / Speculation / Anyone thinking China regulation is cause of drop should rethink his whole life on: February 09, 2017, 02:33:21 PM
it is simply manipulation using a hot news.
they built it up in the previous days, and today in a couple of hours ago they started dumping at high price of 1050+ to create panic.

you can see signs of their manipulation on this board too. so many new accounts are being created saying the same lies.

and guess who is going to buy at the bottom from those who panic dump? exactly the same people who sold at 1050+ to start the panic.
5290  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trade sites that do not fee? on: February 08, 2017, 04:17:34 PM
As far as I know, Chinese trading sites did not charge a transaction fee. They have recently begun to charge transaction fees.
Are there any trade sites that do not charge a transaction fee?

What are those Chinese trading sites you are referring for that doesn't have any transaction fee?

Kinda unusual for a trading exchange to run and operate continously without a fee unless there is kind hearted owner of the said exchange site who will do that but it's not possible.

Im sure none of the trading sites today doesn't have a transaction fee. It's unusual to the highest level.

did not = past tense. they no longer offer this.
it was OkCoin and another one that i am not sure about. and they were offering 0 fees on bitcoin/CNY pair for a very long time and since they had other ways of earning money it was ok for them.

and by the way it wasn't transaction fee it was trading fee, these are two different things.
5291  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best platform for day to day trading? on: February 08, 2017, 04:11:49 PM
Obviously I can google this, but I would just like to hear what you guys have to say as those articles are outdated and may contain irrelevant information.

I would choose Poloniex anytime , Its secure as most of the funds are stored in cold storage , It has the biggest trading volume If we exclude the Chinese exchanges , It's fast , and also have good design and a good support. I don't see a reason why I would choose another platform.

May I ask why you're excluding the Chinese exchanges from your conclusion? I'm probably only going to be trading in American exchanges anyways

are you Chinese and want to deposit CNY?
if not why do you want that?

and to answer your main question, any exchange would work for you. as long as there is enough liquidity so that you can take advantage of all the changes. things that i will check is their fees, and then their volume and then their rules and if they accept traffic from my country!

also i am not sure if you want to trade altcoins or bitcoin/fiat? because polonies is good for altcoins.
5292  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wallet Address and Payment doubt. on: February 08, 2017, 03:56:52 PM
I better not use any online wallet services but anyways, one address is good for only a single tx as to what the wimi states. But due to the fact that it will be messy and too many adresses will be created, people just continued on using 1 single address they're very much familiar with instead of changing addresses every use. What blockchain.info does is actually a good thing for you, and yes, you still keep all those addresses anyways if you just take a little trip around the site.
Then Which are the recommended offline wallets.
I have heard a lot about electurm and mycelium.
They are the best offline wallets I got to hear.
Also I was informed that in mycelium wallets we can have custom address.
Like having my name in it or so.


nobody is stopping you from testing all those wallets out.
even if you like you can install a virtual machine such as Oracle's VirtualBox and then install an operating system on that virtual machine and install all the bitcoin wallets on that virtual machine to test them.

install, Electrum, MultiBit, MyCelenium,.... and try out their features and interface and see which one you like more.

for offline wallet the easier solution may be using bitaddresse.org (check spelling before visit the link)
5293  Economy / Economics / Re: What do you think should be the right Bitcoin price as of Februray 2017? on: February 08, 2017, 03:52:14 PM
i see most people have voted for the second option, but that option is what bitcoin price "is" not what it "should be", it is possible many misunderstood that.

in my opinion price should have been about $3000 by now, with the rate price was rising, and the adoption.
but things like slow regulations, MtGox fake pump, exchanges getting hacked, so much FUD in media and news about bitcoin and in general showing bitcoin in a negative light, and many more things prevented that by slowing down the rise.
5294  Economy / Speculation / Today's volatility with 1009 bottom proved Chinese news has no power anymore on: February 08, 2017, 03:45:05 PM
with all the FUD that have been flying around any place that was bitcoin related about China and also the dump that took place a couple of hours ago with $1009 bottom on bitfinex i think it is safe to say that Chinese news and FUD no longer has the previous power it used to have causing panic sells.

it also shows the strength of the buy support.

what do you think?
5295  Economy / Economics / Re: How much are you willing to pay in fees for a Bitcoin transaction? on: February 06, 2017, 04:23:43 PM
in my opinion paying higher fees at this point means paying miners extra money, more than they deserve. right now they are earning $12,875 for each block they mine and some of them mine quite a lot of them. they can easily increase the block size and get the same total fees they get now and even more but users will be more satisfied.

to answer your question i wouldn't be willing to pay fees higher than $0.1 (of course that is for regular size transactions not a big tx size).

maybe someday that block reward wasn't as high, and block size was big and miners really needed the fees i pay, i would be ok with paying higher fees.
5296  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Fixed income with BTC trading? on: February 06, 2017, 04:17:02 PM

I want to generate a constant monthly gain. Is it possible to do this by bitcoin trading? So, can I just do this by dealing with BTC trading?
Are there any people among us who can make a living by trading in BTC?

nothing about trading and the profit that you earn from it can be fixed. you can reach a point that always make profit each month or each week for example, but you can never count on the amount you can make.
some weeks it can be a huge profit and some weeks it can be a very small one. because mostly it depends on the market situation, the things you invest in and some amount of luck.
5297  Economy / Speculation / Re: will bitcoin reach 2000$ ? on: February 06, 2017, 04:09:37 PM
Bitcoin will not go close to $2000 with all the sabotage going on at the moment. You have the Blockstream developers holding Bitcoin back to pave the way for SegWit and the Lighting Network and you have a unknown entity spamming the Blockchain to motivate their agenda. 

The users are stuck in the middle and the whole experiment is in the balance, because of <Money> battles.

well sadly these stupid fights and everyone of them thinking about taking control and making money, will hold bitcoin back.
but in the end, traders aren't known to care about political stuff that much. and as we can see the price has been rising irregardless of all these fights.
5298  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What you think of Trump & Bitcoin? on: February 05, 2017, 05:37:13 PM
I think he's gonna crack down on Bitcoin once he settles down.

Polls are up:
https://twitter.com/PRVirtualCoin/status/828287000755130368

What makes you think this?  are you just a Trump basher?  Trump has appointed some very prominent bitcoin people to very important roles in his administration.  and he's a businessman.  Bitcoin is good for business  Grin

well, Bitcoin allows to avoid taxes, capital gain, underground economy etc, Uncle Sam will never like this.

avoid taxes : no
capital gain : yes and it can be taxed
underground economy : yes but not in the size that you think, it is so much smaller and also traceable.

ps. make the poll here, many of us do not have twitter and don't need it.
5299  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What is the amount of BTC required for a professional trade? on: February 05, 2017, 05:22:45 PM
I think it depends on what trading you are going to do. For btc-fiat trading, it needs bigger amount of btc if you want to get nice profit but for btc-altcoins trading may requires less btc IMO.
Of course professional trader is not only those who have bigger bankroll to trade but more about who can make decent profit regularly with low risk of investment.
Being professional trader is not hard but not easy as well, you need to learn many things before you can be professional trader.

True. You still can do btc/usd with the just the minimum but not worth doing. Its best to have more than 10 btc to take profit every times it surge and then buy back when it dip. I'm not lucky to have a lot of btc when i started trading and so I did it on altcoins which is a a long process and could end up losing as well. You could even be scammed because of the ICO that we're set up by crooks.

The disadvantage  when sticking to BTC over fiat is that you loss the chance of earning huge with just the minimum investment if an altcoin hits the moon.

how is it not worth trading bitcoin with small amounts if you are a beginner? you know everything is percentage right? fee, profit, change,... so in the end it doesn't matter if you do it with 10BTC or 0.01BTC you will pay 0.2% fee and make whatever percent you can make.

also the disadvantage of going to altcoin trading is losing a huge amount too. in altcoins there is the same chance of falling big time as there is a chance of rising big time, and usually people forget the falling (dump) part.
5300  Economy / Speculation / Re: it IS time for rise on: February 05, 2017, 05:16:28 PM
a new chart was born Cheesy
i combined the previous one (poor paint skills) with the current one.



i expect some ups and downs around $995-$1010 but mostly above $1000 and unless nothing unexpected happens, we will see $1100 in a week...
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