This looks like a terrible idea. Easier to just buy a real heater? Or did I do some maths wrong?
Yes it is definitely easier to buy a real heater. The calculation is also wrong, because GPU produce heat only as a (conceptually unwanted) by-product, while the heater produces heat as its main product. So GPU heat production per Watt is not comparable at all to a heater. Using mining hardware for heating makes only sense if their mining rate is nearly profitable. So the heat is some "added value" of the mining operation and not vice versa. ya.ya.yo! A watt-hour consumed at the wall and converted to heat is the same no matter what device does the conversion. |
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No. It matters if I am there sometime between 15:00 and 15:10. Nothing else matters.
If I am there from 14:30 to 14:59 I am not allowed to leave because of a no show. If they are there at 15:05 they are not allowed to complain of a no show before 15:11. We disagree on everything and always ProfMac, it's incredible. I remember me criticising you on creating webpages in c++... But anyway... I was having similar thoughts. LOL. |
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@ProfMac: it matters since that the appointment is a very difficult exam you have to study for.
No. It matters if I am there sometime between 15:00 and 15:10. Nothing else matters. If I am there from 14:30 to 14:59 I am not allowed to leave because of a no show. If they are there at 15:05 they are not allowed to complain of a no show before 15:11. |
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This was known "traffic arbitrage". Not the founder. Yes, and the bios highlight the best company names also, not necessarily the most recent, that is typical of a bio.
If you can dig up dirt on Uniquify or TSMC as not being capable of designing this chip and producing and packaging this chip, then I am interested.
Do not much care that the head of sales may not know that much about shipping physical products as long as Ciarra does.
I've yet to see a single picture of anything, let it be a fan, a screw, something. They would have delivered this week, right? So, where is everything? When I have an appointment to meet someone between 15:00 ... 15:10, it does not matter where I am at 14:30. |
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with mini avalon if you want better performance update with firmware 20130821. for me less HW
There is an alternate version of the firmware that is in use for the Batch #1, #2, & #3 Avalons. It auto-adjusts the frequency to a constant hardware error rate of about 1.6%. I use it instead of the official Avalon version. On my unit, the hash rose from about 65 GH/s to about 80 GH/s. Beginning about July 3 or so, the community experience is widely reported in this thread. As always, let someone else try it first on exactly the same configuration machine as you have, and back up your configuration first. the file names for the various firmware versions are the same?
Yes it's always openwrt-ar71xx-generic-tl-wr703n-v1-squashfs-factory.bin Pick the last date from http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/avalon/ just download and flash? nothing more needed?
Yes, and if you have a very old setup, it's best not to keep your settings and reconfigure your machine from scratch how old is old? mine;s 20130703 |
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Hey all,
My apologies for the delay - my restore of a secure operating system took longer than I expected, and am back for good now.
And no, I'm not stalling - I am desperate as you guys are to send out this refund for once and for all as I am absolutely gaining nothing (except angry PM's and the added risk) for holding the coins here. I am comparing the lists (RaginAzn Avalon Group Buy #1 Refund (Responses)and RagingAzn628 Group Buy) bigbeninlondon had kindly set up here, and have loaded the funds up to be sent ASAP.
Cheers,
John
I would like any insight you are willing to share about "secure operating systems" |
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Ok, So i opened the box today and they are missing the power cables, and the little wifi aerial thingy that sticks out the back end of the rig. Need to pop out now and see if i can pick a cable up quickly to make sure the unit itself actually works. I only bought two and the other i shipped out ASAP to a friend so can't confirm if this is the case for everyone or not. It is possible that the cables and wifi aerials were in the second box? You don't actually need the wifi aerial, it should still be able to pick up signal...there is just a little gold screw where you could fix one onto the rig. Other people confirm if these things are missing as you get yours in too please... WIFI AERIAL + POWER CABLE Dimensions of box 20 in x 14 in x 17 in Actual weight of 1 box 11.2 kg Dimensions of rig 16 x 9 x 6 Packaging was good with double ply boxes used. and lots of padding. The units themselves are black and have an industrial look and feel. A lot heavier than the Butterfly lab 60 gh units. I hear these Avalon ones can be overclocked to 85 gh/s so i am going to do that tonight. No instructions or manual included in the box.... Instructions to use: Connect your laptop to the eithernet port of the Avalon Setup your laptop IP address 192.168.0.101 Open http://192.168.0.100Make sure WR703N can access Internet, Configure WiFi: Network -> WIFI -> Scan(select your WIFI network) -> Join Network -> WPA passphrase -> Submit -> Save & Apply for connect to WIFI Internet setup your mining worker: Status -> Cgminer Configuration. Restart the cgminer service: System -> Startup, Check your avalon status: Status -> Cgminer Status Setup password/using ssh https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Avalon#User_GuideStarting with batch #2, the WiFi antenna and the power cable are customer supplied items. |
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Mines held up at LAX customs for an undisclosed delay.
What is at LAX, 55 nm chips? |
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Avalon changed their store pricing and added the mini to the store as well@6BTC, guess they didn't like the auction pricing and decided to sell the rest themselves.
It definitely seems like Avalon didn't like the price they got from the auctions. I wonder if after the first unsuccessful auction TradeHill suggested they start the next auction low to possibly create some "frenzy" and actually get much higher than the original ask, this seems to be one tactic live auction house's sometimes use (sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't!). I emailed Avalon and suggested that they start the auction at 0 with a smaller number of units to start some buzz. I also referred to my block chain auction as evidence that I had done the same thing last March. They lowered the price from 6 to 2 the next day. Of course, I have no way to know if they even saw my message. I wish we knew how an auction would have gone with 100 units with no minimum bid. |
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What is a fair price for 2 Avalons?
A properly run auction discovers this price. TradeHill recently had an auction of 2 module, new construction avalons, in hand, clocked at about 60 GH/s. Bids ran from about 2.21 BTC to about 3.00 BTC. With this information in hand, Avalon is offering 2 module units at 6 BTC each. |
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Bought 4th module, carefully connect it, and it does'nt hash anything.. Still see 24 miner / 10 asic .. no more hash power ! Any ideas ? I've verified twice each connection.. Is the 850w powersupply is enough for a 4 module box ?
EDIT : the avalon hash as before, like nothing was added.. the fourth module's heatsink stay cool.. I did'nt found any doc/info about this problem when adding a fourth module !
Did you change the miner count? You have added 8 miners, it should change 24 --> 32. |
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Yeah that could be an option at the discretion of the seller. If I was selling a house I would want 144 blocks (24 hours).
Or 144 blocks with time minimum. Something like 32 block extension if 144+extension*(blocks per extension) blocks are hit before 24 hours have passed. A detail but you get the idea  Good luck to itod/profMac and/or whoever else gets into this. Would be nice to see.  Sorry for the offtopic also. While I think it is on topic, I have started another thread to support a needs analysis for blockchain auctions. |
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This is a continuation from an Avalon auction thread.This thread will start out discussing software to support blockchain auctions. The view is to develop an idea of the community's needs that the software will solve. Probably anything related to auctions is on topic. (<--- words I already regret)
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Also, in many auctions there is no "end time". The auction continues until nobody is willing to beat the highest bid (aka "going once going twice SOLD!!!"). Perhaps another option would be to end the auction after X blocks have passed since the last highest bid?
This is a nice idea. For instance: Auction lasts as long there are blocks with higher bids than the previous high. This may also solve "bids to close to the wire to be included" problem. In your opinion, should the system show the bids from the current (Edit: unsolved) block or publish them after the block is found? I would say only bids included in solved blocks to avoid shenanigans. I do prefer shenanigan free auctions. What sort of shenanigan can you envision if non-confirmed bids are presented in the dashboard? |
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I did not try to snipe. I was consistently ahead of several hundred bidders and my bid seemed safe. I monitored the auction on an ongoing basis. Their site failed to respond with several minutes remaining. I did not find a mechanism to increase my bid, only to cancel and re-open.
I was not able to express my intent to bid on their auction site. I am sure that this was true of others as well. Not only that, the site does not show the bidding results anymore, they were taken down when the auction was over. I think that an essential aspect of an auction is transparency, and the final results are not transparent.
I think there is a wide open field for anyone else to compete at auctioneering.
And Furthermore ... Some of you may remember that I held an auction on the blockchain. It was a multi winner auction, and it ended at a certain block number. All bids included in or before that block were valid. I have had an interest in auctions for a very long time. It was trivial to increase a bid. It was less trivial to see standings during the auction, but that is an opportunity for someone to develop software to interpret a known auction address on the blockchain. What is missing from my auction, and from this auction, is a mechanism similar to eBay where a maximum bid can be entered and the little bump bids are made automatically. That is also a feature that an auction companion could implement on the individual bitcoiner's machine. In contrast to this auction, my auction results are still visible, as the bids and refunds are in the blockchain. The entirety of "approvals" to move payments within the TradeHill system seems to be a pointless labor cost to me. I need help to see the motivation or utility of it. I have also considered developing such a service, had a very similar idea like yours, but there are two problems I don't know how to solve: 1) block finding times can oscillate for serious amount of minutes, so there can not be fixed ending time of auction, feature people like and may be essential for successful auction 2) some bids may fail to be included in the current block because: a) it depends on which nodes broadcasted individual transaction (bid), b) it is discretionary to the mining pool which finds the block if it will include any individual transaction or not, especially the ones close to the actual block finding time. If you have any ideas how to solve these two issues I would very much like to hear them. 1. I saw disagreements in many auctions over the exact ending time. The use of block inclusion does not reduce the uncertainty of when to bid, but it does make after the fact auditing completely transparent. I also had an extension mechanism, when a valid bid transaction was confirmed, the auction was auto-extended 10 more blocks past that block. I think any software would want to let this be an auctioneer decided option. 2. My instructions to bidders was to bid early, or pay a premium miner's fee. Many of my rules are a philosophically antagonistic toward sniping. In the event that many people bid at the last minute, the bid extension also helps mitigate any odd behavior from the miners. I think that a good auction client would pay attention to any unconfirmed transactions paid to the auction's bid address. This would give notice of bids that could be included in the blocks. It should be possible for the auction client to pre-fill the auction amount to a winning value plus a safety amount, and the bidder could either click "Bid" or edit the value. |
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Now a new problem, how to run 8600W of Avalons... thank goodness its winter!
Long, long time ago I used 6000W electric heater to successfully heat 3-room apartment in continental climate. Good luck with cooling all that equipment. Easy, crack a window  It's not just what to do with all the heat, though, right? The typical standard for US single family homes is 100 amp service, and less for apartments. With those machines running 24/7, it should leave around 25 amps for all the rest of the appliances and environmental uses in the house. My plan in Minnesota was to distribute them to the nearby apartments of students and elderly, and pay for the increased electricity. |
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I did not try to snipe. I was consistently ahead of several hundred bidders and my bid seemed safe. I monitored the auction on an ongoing basis. Their site failed to respond with several minutes remaining. I did not find a mechanism to increase my bid, only to cancel and re-open.
I was not able to express my intent to bid on their auction site. I am sure that this was true of others as well. Not only that, the site does not show the bidding results anymore, they were taken down when the auction was over. I think that an essential aspect of an auction is transparency, and the final results are not transparent.
I think there is a wide open field for anyone else to compete at auctioneering.
Yeah unfortunately you could not increase a bid. You had to cancel your existing bid and make a new one. What browser where you using because in Chrome the page dynamically updated for me (no need to refresh) which was nice. Right up to the end I saw the minimum price creeping up towards my bid amount and I believe it ended at 2.21BTC. Their site does leave much to be desired but I'd still give it a B+. There is supposed to be some additional benefit for bidders following the auction. I don't really understand the announcement, but if I am locked out of that because I had to cancel then re-bid, I will view it as a source of frustration. I feel a growing enthusiasm about working on auction software... (I was using Chrome. I should have made some screenshots) |
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I did not try to snipe. I was consistently ahead of several hundred bidders and my bid seemed safe. I monitored the auction on an ongoing basis. Their site failed to respond with several minutes remaining. I did not find a mechanism to increase my bid, only to cancel and re-open.
I was not able to express my intent to bid on their auction site. I am sure that this was true of others as well. Not only that, the site does not show the bidding results anymore, they were taken down when the auction was over. I think that an essential aspect of an auction is transparency, and the final results are not transparent.
I think there is a wide open field for anyone else to compete at auctioneering.
And Furthermore ... Some of you may remember that I held an auction on the blockchain. It was a multi winner auction, and it ended at a certain block number. All bids included in or before that block were valid. I have had an interest in auctions for a very long time. It was trivial to increase a bid. It was less trivial to see standings during the auction, but that is an opportunity for someone to develop software to interpret a known auction address on the blockchain. What is missing from my auction, and from this auction, is a mechanism similar to eBay where a maximum bid can be entered and the little bump bids are made automatically. That is also a feature that an auction companion could implement on the individual bitcoiner's machine. In contrast to this auction, my auction results are still visible, as the bids and refunds are in the blockchain. The entirety of "approvals" to move payments within the TradeHill system seems to be a pointless labor cost to me. I need help to see the motivation or utility of it. |
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I was outbit but I still haven't see the 2BTC's either return to my Tradehill account or to my wallet. Is there something that I am missing?
Their withdrawal page states: Transfers from Tradehill will require one business day to process. so maybe the same is true with failed bid refunds as well. Lagged out in the final minutes, couldn't even rebid. Very frustrating.
That's the risk you take when you try to snipe. Since I had a feeling their site wouldn't handle the last minute sniping I put up my max bid 30 minutes before end of auction to be safe and got 3 units for 2.29BTC ea. Curious if Yufi is happy with the results considering the previous minimum bid was 6BTC... I did not try to snipe. I was consistently ahead of several hundred bidders and my bid seemed safe. I monitored the auction on an ongoing basis. Their site failed to respond with several minutes remaining. I did not find a mechanism to increase my bid, only to cancel and re-open. I was not able to express my intent to bid on their auction site. I am sure that this was true of others as well. Not only that, the site does not show the bidding results anymore, they were taken down when the auction was over. I think that an essential aspect of an auction is transparency, and the final results are not transparent. I think there is a wide open field for anyone else to compete at auctioneering. |
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Auction OVER!
Tradehill lagged at the end. Almost was unable to re-bid. But got a few for cheap!
I got outbid, and lagged out. |
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