Thanks dean. Congrats to all other winners.

Again great value (free money) this week, so hope more players join us

Correct terms would be "hopefully fair" and "result calculation by TX ID" (with no correlation between the two)

Overall, it's just that the bitcoin community loves the "Don't trust, verify" mentality with bitcoin itself, but also with gambling sites. RGBKey was merely trying to say that your solution isn't provably fair (at all) especially after you said "it's the best provably fair option" lol. Obviously if it's not provably fair, you can't promote it as such either.

Anyway, I don't think you had/have any bad intentions or that you are trying to cheat anyone. It is just that it is really not provably fair (and TBH you were a bit ignorant about it in this thread - RGBKey made some of the first verifiers back in JD times lol, he isn't some random shill.) But sounds good that you will improve the system I think a nonce-method where you give a hash before the first bet and ask the player to give their client seed would be perfect with this Telegam setup.

Nice, that seems like some huge value. Any bitcoin poker player should have a look at that

Why would someone (especially a new guy) saying hi in chat be against the rules lol. "Short messages" would probably be saying "lol" every minute




(I am not hanging out on crypto-games much, so I don't know any further details or about your mute.)

Well bustabit isn't really a dice site. On new version of my site I made a filter so you can still show it, but unfortunately I didn't work on it for over a year. One day.. lol.

Bustadice was relatively new. I only add popular sites that have been around for a while (even though trusted Ryan is auditor on there.) However in less than 2 weeks bustadice will be 6 months old, so I just added it to frontpage





PS, on an unrelated note, there was an issue with the bitsler verifier for the game "multicolor" where I calculated the correct roll result but incorrect color/payout multiplier for specific rolls (it seems mostly roll 8-11.5); this is fixed now.

PS2, I noticed SafeDice hired a support guy, so that is great to see I will just observe for a bit more and then re-add them if it looks like their support is really improved.

Electrum 3.1.1 was just released with updated Trezor T support: https://electrum.org/#download (3.1.0 also had support, but there indeed were some issues - so maybe this fixes it for you too.)

Looks like some fun tourneys

Too bad not in my timezone so I can't actually play them, but I hope they are a success so there will be more in the future

They do, like I said before. Read their FAQ if you are unable to understand how the client seed affects the result: https://help.bitkong.com/english/provably-fair-game/how-to-check-positions

They do this after you get the new serverseed hash in your own browser (client-side.) This is done in the JS function "generateClientSeed".

That is exactly how they should do it. If they keep the same clientseed for every game, that would be bad.

They cannot change/generate results because you get the hash before the bet and you generate a random clientseed in your browser after getting the hash - which directly affects each result.

There can be indeed some mistakes or possible improvements in a provably fair implementation. For example, if they would generate the client seed serverside or if they send it before the player gets the hash, etc. I have verified many sites on these (small) technical details and found possible improvements for several sites, including Crypto-Games, BetterBets, Rollin, etc. (and they normally improve it quickly.)

After your posts I verified BitKong for the technical details of their provably fair implementation too and my conclusion is that their implementation looks fine.

Site back online.


Yes, it does update the chart during the day, the last day just gets increases slowly during the day. So at "7 Mar" it was showing 0 bets earlier, which means 0 bets since 7 Mar 00:00 EST/NY time and indeed proof the site was down (or no players lol.) Right now it shows 470 bets since site is back online. (That being said, one day I hope to have hourly chart options which would make this easier )

I made a "bitcoin flights" overview, pretty sure these are all of them. Disclaimer: no idea about the reputation of them, use on own risk, etc.

Flights
Site	Remarks	Processor	Bitcointalk topic	Other cryptocurrencies
destinia.com	-	GoCoin
cheapair.com	-	BTCPay		LTC/Dash/Bcash
abitsky.com	has 20 local domains too, like flysiesta.co.uk, hotflug.de, etc.	Mistertango (adds 1%)
travelbybit.com	-	own		LTC/BNB
btctrip.com (broken?)	-	?	topic	LTC/DOGE (GoCoin)
sky-tours.com (not anymore?)	not sure if they still accept it	?
fluege.com	english page	Bitpay/Ypsilon
nurflug.de	english page	Bitpay/Ypsilon
future.travel	almost no references to it, be careful	?
agenciadeviajesvirtual.com	have to select 'e-wallet', check their topic	?	topic	LTC, DOGE, ..
xceltrip.com	from some ICO, be careful	?
Airlines/Local
airbaltic.com	Latvian Airline	Bitpay
flypeach.com	Japanese Airline	bitpoint.co.jp
flybit.in (down?)	Indian flights	?	topic
fat.com.tw	Taiwanese Airline	?
cebupacificair.com	Filipino Airline - needs verified coins.ph account	coins.ph
Gift cards
Gyft
aa.com	American Airlines	Bitpay
delta.com	Delta Air Lines	Bitpay
southwest.com	Southwest Airlines	Bitpay
eGifter
aa.com	American Airlines	Bitpay
delta.com	Delta Air Lines	Bitpay
southwest.com	Southwest Airlines	Bitpay
giftoff
Virgin	virginholidays.co.uk, virgin-atlantic.com, etc	Bitpay		Shapeshift
lastminute.com	Only for flights and/or hotels	Bitpay		Shapeshift
jet2holidays.com		Bitpay		Shapeshift
FlightGiftCard
flightgiftcard.com	FlightGiftCard	-		LTC, bcash and soon ETH
Bitrefill.com
flightgiftcard.com	FlightGiftCard	-		BTC/LTC Lightning, LTC, ETH, Dash, Doge
aa.com	American Airlines	-		BTC/LTC Lightning, LTC, ETH, Dash, Doge
southwest.com	Southwest Airlines	-		BTC/LTC Lightning, LTC, ETH, Dash, Doge
delta.com	Delta Air Lines	-		BTC/LTC Lightning, LTC, ETH, Dash, Doge
coincards.ca
aircanada.com	Air Canada
flightcentre.ca	Flight Centre
westjet.com	WestJet
Bidali
aircanada.com	Air Canada	-		lot of altcoins
aa.com	American Airlines	-		lot of altcoins
delta.com	Delta Air Lines	-		lot of altcoins
Special
surfair.com	All you can fly membership	Coinbase		ETH
cheapbizclass.com	Business/First class - no search	?
ionlyflyfirstclass.com	Business/First class - no search	?	topic
tripwitz.com	Travel agency - no search	?
luxurytraveldiary.com	Personalized booking service - no search	?
airtreks.com	"Around the world" tickets	Bitpay
thebigcoin.io	"Order anything" service, so order any flight, but 7-12% fee	Own processor	topic	ETH, LTC, Dash, XMR
corptraveller.co.uk	business travel management - no search	Bitpay
Private jets
privatefly.com	Private jets	Bitpay
tapjets.com	Private jets	?
private-jet-charter-flight.com	Private jets	?
jettly.com	Private jets	?
premiumjet.eu	Private jets	?
m2jets.com	Private jets	?		LTC
monarchairgroup.com	Private jets	?
vegasexpressjet.com	Private jets	?
priorityonejets.com	Private jets	?
simplecharters.com	Private jets	?
navair.com.au	Private jets	?
flyzuum.com	Private jets	?
avionejet.com	Private jets	?
privatejethiredirect.com	Private jets	?

If you know any other (local) ones or if you have experiences with some of these, please share it here



PS, it seems like flybit.in disappeared overnight. This is a good example of how any of these sites could be a scam. Do your own research in finding the reputation of these companies!

I did all this effort to verify if they generate the client seed correctly (specifically after your previous posts) and then you just ignore me (:

Thanks for reporting. Right now https://bustadice.com says:


So I am curious whether it's me or them

There has been provably fair lotteries before and one of the few ways to do it properly is indeed using a future blockhash. One example would be PevPot (doesn't run anymore though - but cached provably fair page and open-source code.)

Make sure that all the tickets are public and known to everyone. Otherwise you can just claim to have the winning ticket yourself. PevPot did this by using 1 public address, use TXs confirmed between blocks x and y, sort them by TX ID and make every satoshi worth 1 ticket. This way, everyone with access to the bitcoin blockchain can make the list of tickets themselves - without even visiting the site.

There are other ways to do that though, but publicizing the ticket list (and making sure people have it before the result) is a crucial part of it.

You can just assign a number for each ticket entry, generate a number based on this seed (serverseed + blockhash) and compare the two. PevPot used some modulo way. But MT (with own seed input) could work too.

There is still a chance that you and the miner are colluding, withholding a block just because you don't like the winning result (and have a second chance with next block.) This probably only makes sense if the potential loss is bigger than the miner reward. So as long as the total prize is less than 12.5 BTC, you should be fine. But for this reason, PevPot added a slow calculation that took hours before we could get the result.

I was surprised about the link with "revcback", because that really seems to be a 15yo dude from Singapore (see his TEDx talk.) I actually frequently upvoted his posts on bitcoinmarkets



With a bit of searching, it seems like "favours" is actually (serial) scammer "Light" on the site mpgh.net.

This banned user "Light" has multiple scam accusations:

https://www.mpgh.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1129149
https://www.mpgh.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1113369
https://www.mpgh.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1106394
https://www.mpgh.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1125442
etc.

In the last one, Skype logs are given: https://imgur.com/a/VuxQI it shows the address "15YWc15M7Ht49rMohYrwNh3RggtgAjcMEp" which is wallet 02d8d4de4563bb08 on walletexplorer. This user repeatedly made deposits to Poloniex, specifically to deposit address "1FtzkMkeggTPq7xVn3vTdbU7cDp9NZJoNc".


Now back to bitcointalk:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1914003.msg18986684#msg18986684

1PsfsGbooKzMohG9SshFbNUaHRTZUQeu4S had 1 TX, sent to Poloniex deposit address "1FtzkMkeggTPq7xVn3vTdbU7cDp9NZJoNc". Other addresses from user "favours" make deposits to the same Poloniex deposit address.





Interesting enough, mpgh.net already made that link between "revcback" and scammer "Light" without this blockchain evidence to his TEDx talk: https://www.mpgh.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1317391 I don't use mpgh.net so if anyone has more context, that would be interesting.



Additionally there is another banned mpgh.net account linked to "favours" (skype name: "alexcaze1234"):
- User "AlexCaze" who "has given a TEDx talk" and has skype name "alexcaze1234", looking for a verified chaturbate account and asking how to scam a macbook by refunding it.
- This same skype name "alexcaze1234" was used to add "Alia Armelle" to GGB too.
- BTW, "favours" already previously offered "hot girl cam" service too.




So overall, it seems like revcback = alexcaze = light = favours = alia = 15yo scamming dude. Obviously there is at least some girl involved as some people confirm the cam service to be real. So either 15yo dude is the pimp middleman and/or they actively work together. I guess in theory it could be even the sister, although that would be proper disgusting. Either way, confirmed scammer.

They don't have a "total wagered" statistic so I can't add them. Besides that, they had a bit of scammy bonus so that could be another reason for me to not add them (but I didn't read all details.)



However, all of that has nothing to do with provably fair. I guess you might just be talking about a provably fair verifier? They could be still perfectly provably fair (I didn't check yet.) On quick look they do use a nonce-implementation and that generally is really provably fair. Just make sure to verify your bets, their third-party verifier seems fine: https://codepen.io/anon/pen/bwJLjj

Yes, I always report these altcoin gambling sites and I believe they get moved to: Service Announcements (Altcoins) and some to: Marketplace (Altcoins). Obviously if there are many of them, you guys could ask for a specific Gambling sub-forum within that altcoin forum. But either way, this Gambling forum is supposed to be for bitcoin.

Irrelevant.

Imagine a 10-sided dice. The odds of throwing exactly 7 is 1/10 = 10%. If you throw a 5 first, the odds of throwing a 7 next is still 10%. If you throw a 7, the odds of throwing a 7 after that is still 10%. The throws are independent from each other. That seems pretty obvious, right?

Now, the odds of throwing two times 7 after each other are indeed 1/10*1/10 = 1%. But this still does not affect the probability of the throw after the first 7. This logic, where you think there are "patterns", is the classic gambler's fallacy. Your strategy is clearly based on this fallacy, just like most strategies like martingale are based on that.


You are hoping to make BTC34.65 in total with selling this losing strategy. Acting as if you are just helping others seems ridiculous.



PS, initially this reply was removed - which IMO warranted negative trust as warning for potential buyers. I believe potential buyers should have all information available and then they can decide for themselves if they want to buy this or not. OP and I agreed to keep it in this thread instead of on the trust page.

There is no such thing as "more fairness".

Each round is 100% independent from each other. What you are describing is the classic gambler's fallacy.

At least you agree it's still EV-, players are still expected to lose money. (And therefor one must be very stupid to buy this.)

1. Are you saying your script can predict the future outcomes to a certain level?

2. Would this also work on the new Bab v2? (since you mention "crash games")

3. Also, just for the record, are you claiming that players have a positive expected return based on these methods? Or do you agree they are just gambling and likely to lose money?


4. So if you start with 1 BTC. You will have 1*1.06^365 = 1,724,411,147 BTC after 1 year. And that is the worst-case scenario, 10% is even a lot more. Why sell if you can make almost 2 billion BTC from only a single BTC in 1 year?