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601  Economy / Speculation / Re: Don't get your asses handed to you BTC n00bs! This is a Bear. on: December 28, 2015, 12:57:12 AM
If you're waiting for a crash from here, glwt.
602  Economy / Speculation / Re: Who will be selling at 450 range (today) on: December 25, 2015, 01:47:35 AM
It's funny how everybody says when they sold but nobody talks about when they buy.

That's because nobody wants to admit buying back higher than they sold. No matter how much they made in profit when they sold, the bottom line is they fucked up.
603  Economy / Speculation / Re: Hold onto your balls gentlemen , the halvening is coming! ;) on: December 23, 2015, 01:19:25 PM
Do we really need a 10 page news article to tell us what we've known for 6 years about halving?

Do we really need your snotty know-it-all condescending posts cluttering up so many threads?
604  Economy / Speculation / Re: Be sure, this will drop hard soon... and here is why... on: December 22, 2015, 06:48:04 PM
I still think the crash is coming soon.

Based on what you predict the crash and at what price will the BTC crash?Currently the price is around 440$,on Bitstamp 437$.Do you think it will go below 400$ before the end of the year?

Yea, I think about something like this...

January around $320.... February about $250 and then a slow bleed to $180 or so.

Yeah, that's it - slow bleeding sub $200 all the way to halving.
Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

Nope, but you will drop on your head when reality hits you... Meanwhile, those who are not deluded will drive profit on you.
I can't count anymore how much flashcrashes I did profit from... but since we both look at different chards, I am sure
we both can stop to discuss with each other.

Yeah, your predictions have been so accurate in this thread. Gee, maybe I'll start taking Frost's advice! or, maybe not.
605  Economy / Speculation / Re: Be sure, this will drop hard soon... and here is why... on: December 22, 2015, 06:27:20 PM
I still think the crash is coming soon.

Based on what you predict the crash and at what price will the BTC crash?Currently the price is around 440$,on Bitstamp 437$.Do you think it will go below 400$ before the end of the year?

Yea, I think about something like this...

January around $320.... February about $250 and then a slow bleed to $180 or so.

Yeah, that's it - slow bleeding sub $200 all the way to halving.
Were you dropped on your head as a baby?
606  Economy / Speculation / Re: Low Volume ? on: December 22, 2015, 03:58:33 AM
This is interesting moment now. If price will goes up to reach level of past days, about $460 or if it goes down, then some people will start selling to cover losses and we will see drop.

On 25th Dec 2015, 3 Month Futures Contracts on OKCoin expire (huge market btw).

Word has it, that 'they' have a vested interest in holding Bitcoin in and around this range until this date, at which point 'they' cash in, cash out, and then short Bitcoin. Until then, expect BTC to be full of nasty choppiness, with all manner of misleading signals and market structure to sucker punch n00b traders but ultimately the experienced and shrewd trader (and that certainly isn't me) is expecting a correction at least down to the 30 ema and/or the 38.2% retracement for the whole rally (so around $400). Whatever happens, bound to be a bounce around here, but if it doesn't hold, then it will be the $360 zone down at the 61.8% retracement, which just so happens to be what Smart Money would refer to has the 'wholesale' reload zone. Right now, we are in the 'retail' zone. This is where Smart Money sells 'overvalued' BTC to n00bs....and like I say, much shrewder punters than me reckon we will hang around here until the 3 Month Future contracts turnover (in 3 days time), and then after that.....DOWN!

I am long term bullish on Bitcoin, but Bitcoin has changed. We now have margin trading, ability to short, and a large and liquid BTC futures market on top of that, with yet more leveraged trading. Unlike in the days of Gox and Willy bot, when Bitcoin whales still largely consisted of 'dumb money' (i.e. tech nerds holding all the BTC as opposed to pro traders), I think in the next bull rise, we can expect to see a shit ton more up and down volatility as the pro trader whales take market down into their wholesale reload zones, before ramping it up into their retail cash out zones. This is how Smart Money takes money from the market. 'They' aint going to just let this rise and rise unabated (with the odd panic flash sell off) like in previous bull runs.

Go long now at your own peril. Even attempt to trade swings now at your own peril. Since I returned here, I have noticed that the one member of this site who seems to be well on the money (without ever providing any TA for his projections and forecasts) is Morecoin Freeman. He turned bear after $420 (yeah, BTC went up to $470, but so what). He said, 'see ya all in 2016'. Perhaps he is mindful of this pending 3 Months Future contract turnover and the overstretched nature of the market?

You heard it here first guys, HOLD.
No offense Matt, you seem like a great guy and all, but your continuing failed attempts to get a handle on this thing called bitcoin is just getting embarrassing.
607  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Any chance for alts to come back? on: December 13, 2015, 10:58:49 AM
There were some very exciting times, very amusing and entertaining threads, and the potential for a hell of a lot of money to be made. In order to gain bitcoin now you have to use money instead of making it trading alts. I for one think this sucks.
608  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Any chance for alts to come back? on: December 13, 2015, 04:16:56 AM
After being gone from this scene for a few months, I come back to crickets. The newest coin on Bittrex is 2 weeks old. Are we done here or will they come back I wonder?
609  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 13, 2015, 03:56:16 AM
i would wish to go short for now, $400. i am not sure it will be.
let's see what happen if it did.
Yeah, probably should have done that last night.
610  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 13, 2015, 03:20:21 AM
A dump near the $500 was expected. Traders painting a double top. Also, some people are expected to cash out before years end for tax reassons.

I was a little worried we where climbing very fast in the last few days, so dumps like these give me confidence we are not going to crash hard in the next leg up.
we should head back down to 395 fast and start another slowly climb immediately




- Knock knock.
- Who's there?
- Correction.
- How can I help you?
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Nice.

Let's see the best meme of all time just once more tonight.
611  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do you trade based off emotions? on: December 13, 2015, 03:13:45 AM
Yes, all the time. I trust myself more than anyone else.

So, you sell when the price is high and looking strong and buy when it's dumping hard based off emotions? what sort of emotions are you feeling in these moments? because normal human reaction is to do the opposite.
612  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 13, 2015, 12:27:03 AM

Bitcoin moves across borders relatively frictionlessly and speedily (10 mins to hours not days). This creates lots of seemingly bizarre global arbitrage opportunities ... the same 9k btc can be sold on a western exchange and back being bid up in china within an hour. Large cross-border fiat settlements take 3-5 business days at best.

Chinese BTC is getting sold on Western exchanges? Shouldn't we be seeing a bit more (as in 'corresponding') volume if that's the case?


.... guess you missed the friday night dump in your razor-sharp focus there? 29k in 3 mins, probably some room for chinese btc in that flood.

So what you're telling me is bitcoin's blinding 10-minute transaction speed is instrumental in getting BTC super fast on western exchanges, where it is made to sit for days, until there's enough of it to crash the price if sold in one gigantic lump? The trick's to lose as much money as possible?
That's how arbitrage works? Help me out here.

It isn't arbitrage this way round - i think he's saying that the Chinese are prepared to take a hit just in order to acquire USD.

And we also are taking a hit in order for them to do so. Unless you know the timings of course, which, as Jorge says, is best known by the exchanges themselves.

Why don't the Chinese just keep the money in BTC, which, according to Marcus_Ridiculous is the best store of value? Bonus: Reduced supply of BTC would drive price up. Why cash out to fiat toilet paper in the dumbest way possible?
And how does 'Bitcoin moves across borders relatively frictionlessly and speedily (10 mins to hours not days)' play into this?
And why wait & sell it as one huge chunk, are these people new to all this?

Because bitcoin can drop 20% of it's value in a day. Because bitcoin can't buy shit in the real world, really. Because bitcoin's value isn't guaranteed or protected by the government. Because bitcoin etc etc etc.
Bitcoin does one thing well, it transfers fiat - which is how it's being used.
Next question, hopefully more difficult to answer?
613  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 13, 2015, 12:15:36 AM
A dump near the $500 was expected. Traders painting a double top. Also, some people are expected to cash out before years end for tax reassons.

I was a little worried we where climbing very fast in the last few days, so dumps like these give me confidence we are not going to crash hard in the next leg up.
we should head back down to 395 fast and start another slowly climb immediately




- Knock knock.
- Who's there?
- Correction.
- How can I help you?
- I'm here to inform you that the train is leaving soon. Destination: Unknown



Nice.
614  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2015, 06:07:29 PM
I have an immensely important question I want to ask since I was just told something, why does the price move the way it does?it goes up by 10-20$s then completely stops. And how much does it take to make it to 10$s plus?

Looking at the daily price and volume at Huobi, OKCoin, and other exchanges, I can see

(1) A gradual "exponential" increase in volume and price from about 2015-09-20 to the peak (~3350 CNY) on 11-04;
(2) A tumbling price and volume drop between 11-04 and 11-24 (down to ~2050 CNY);
(3) A very sharp increase in volume to a record high value on 11-24, that persisted until now; and a corresponding rally in price, by a rapid steady rise broken by several large jumps (to ~3150 CNY).

There was a partial crash today, to ~2800 CNY, but it is not clear yet how it will end.

There seems to be no certain explanation for these moves.  (And it seems that no one wants to find out...)

My best candidate explanation for (1) is still the bitcoin-based MMM ponzi and copycats, mostly in China; amplified by day-trader speculation.  The dates seem to match, the ponzi can easily move that amount of money, and the gradual "exponential" growth is consistent with the demand for bitcoins spreading among a new population of  by "infection".

The crash (2) would then be the speculators dumping their coins when they realized that the primary demand had leveled off.   Perhaps the ponzi saturated by 11-04, or participants ("lucky victims" and organizers) started to sell the bitcoins that they received.  

The new rally (3) could be due to the same cause as (1); however, considering the much higher volume and the way it grew (suddenly rather than gradually), the cause is probably different.

Rally (3) may have been due to the crackdown by the Chinese government on the use of the Chinese state credit/debit card (UnionPay) to export cash for gambling and other purposes.  The abuse seemed to be pervasive in Macau, the Las Vegas of China, which has a somewhat independent economy (like Hong Kong). Reports say that Mainland gamblers would go to Macau, pretend to buy merchandise at local pawn shops with the card, then pretend to return it for a cash refund (minus the shop's commission).  That way they could bypass the card's limit on cash withdrawal.  If that loophole was suddenly closed, it seems possible that the gamblers switched en masse to bitcoin.  

A sudden jump in the price must be due to single person buying or selling a large amount of bitcoin in a short time interval.  If the above explanation is correct, those may be exceptionally wealthy people trying to move their money out, or perhaps clandestine money transmitters providing that service for many smaller clients.  Either way, the jumps seem to indicate that the price is determined by a relatively small number of players.

Your putting too much thought into this. People had a whole year to accumulate bitcoins in the $2xx range, whenever the price is in the mid $400s they can sell and double their money, and for every coin they sell they end up with a free one. It's gonna be a rough road to get past $500 because of this, but I think it will happen.
615  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2015, 01:20:17 AM
Why torture yourself with following the market and trading if you're going to just use 2%? I only trade(d) to strike it rich and make significant increases in my btc, and I still hate it.

Maybe he just isn't a brilliant gifted guru like yourself. You come off like a pompous ass. 1st world problems, being glued to a computer screen, such torture. Some people actually work for a living.
616  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2015, 12:33:51 AM
I don't see what's so special about today.  An 8% up day within a wave of a consolidation period doesn't "male history".

This is a big fucking deal. 2 years of nothing but blah, and here we are proving the run to $500 wasn't just a pump/dump.
I thought that was already established given the volume and indicators over the entire past month.  Especially the break from 320 and 370 were the final confirmations needed.  This rally to 460 is just a technicality about exactly what the shape of this consolidation will be like. So TODAY is not a big deal.  Maybe 2 weeks ago was a big deal.

So where do you see the price going from here to halving?
617  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 12, 2015, 12:24:30 AM
I don't see what's so special about today.  An 8% up day within a wave of a consolidation period doesn't "male history".

This is a big fucking deal. 2 years of nothing but blah, and here we are proving the run to $500 wasn't just a pump/dump.
618  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2015, 11:56:18 PM
I think Huobi will smash through 3k soon, it just touched it.
619  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2015, 11:34:35 PM
Huobi moving fast 2992 already
I wish I had bought a lot more this summer oh well, this is a lot of fun to watch even if I only have a few coins. Beats the shit out of watching tv.
620  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 11, 2015, 11:31:05 PM
Wiping the the floor with shorters like



For sure - shorters getting slaughtered.
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