Will I make it?
Any timeline? 5 years would be ideal... after that I might give up Are you aware that Bitcoin is just 6 years old? In this perspective 5 years seems like a really long time. |
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Soweit ich andere Dienste kenne, sind bei bei Diensten, die Lastschrift erlauben, die Gebühren wesentlich höher. Das ist der Grund warum ich bei Kraken bleibe, selbst wenn es mich auch sehr stört, dass eine Überweisung meistens 2 Werktage dauert.
Als Deutscher hat man zumindest die Möglichkeit ein Fidor-Konto zu eröffnen, dann sind die Überweisungen an Kraken sehr schnell(Ich glaube, weniger als eine Stunde), aber ich bin Österreicher.
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WTF you're asking?
This is not depends on gender.
(Never seen an unmatured person like this -_- )
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Österreich != Deutschland. Klar ist vieles ähnlich, wie was genau besteuert wird sollte man aber nicht unbedingt mit internationalen Vergleichen "belegen".
Das ist aber besser, als es mit gar nichts zu belegen. Coinimal und Coinfinity berufen sich da auch nur auf ein Gutachten eines Wiener Rechtsanwalts. http://www.jan-sramek-verlag.at/Buchdetails.407.0.html?buchID=176&cHash=2142788396 da solltest du was dazu finden. Anyhow, Österreich != Deutschland... Mal am Rande, wohin hast du denn die Bitcoins verkauft? Wurde beim Kauf USt ausgewiesen? Kann ich mir nicht vorstellen... Wennst also die USt vom Kauf nicht absetzen kannst koennen die ja kaum die volle Maut auf die Verkaeufe verlangen. Frag vielleicht mal bei bitcoin.de an, ob die nicht irgendein Gutachten an der Hand haben auf das du dich berufen kannst. Wie kommst du darauf, dass sie sich auf dieses Buch berufen? Oder das das Gutachten vom selben Anwalt stammt? Ich weiß nicht, ob es so ist. Mir hat aber jemand der (am Rande) in Bitcoinbon involviert ist, unabhängig von Coinimal, dass selbe gesagt: USt. fällt auf die Gebühren an. Derjenige ist jetzt nicht so sehr an Bitcoin interessiert, hat definitiv das Buch nicht gelesen und betreibt seit einigen Jahren eine eigene Firma und meinte auch, dass diese USt. auf die Gebühren auch bei anderen Dinge so gehandhabt wird. Es bleibt dabei, dass ich keinen Beleg dafür sehe, dass es anders sein sollte. Solltest du eine andere Quelle dazu haben, bin ich natürlich interessiert. Sollte man Bitcoin bei Coinimal für geschäftliche Zwecke kaufen und somit berechtigt sein, die USt. abzusetzen, bin ich mir sicher, dass einem die Betreiber von Coinimal eine Rechnung mit ausgewiesener Ust. geben werden. Ob das nicht ohnehin der Fall ist, weiß ich nicht, weil ich bei Coinimal nie gekauft habe. Die USt. wird aber an das Finanzamt abgeführt, wie es sich für ein seriöses Unternehmen gehört. Sie müssen den Betrag also wissen. |
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The first one is definitely a problem. Poor people can't rely on BitCoin.
Depends on the country. There are people from countries with high inflation, who benefited a lot from storing their wealth in Bitcoin, even if it is volatile. People really need to learn, that there are other countries in the world than the USA. nah this doesn't seem right. if anything, people from countries with high inflation can store their wealth in things that do not have price swings as big as bitcoin. like Dollar, Euro, any other currency, gold and other things that keep the value of their wealth. i doubt if someone converts their money into bitcoin when he sees this: http://www.coindesk.com/price/#2014-03-02,2015-03-02,close,bpi,USDor worse than that, this: http://www.coindesk.com/price/#2013-11-16,2015-03-02,close,bpi,USDIt is not that easy to get those things in poor countries. Seriously, how ignorant are you guys? |
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Eine interessante Beobachtung von mir ist, dass viele Menschen die tatsächlich recht wenig haben und auch kein grosses Einkommen haben, eben gerade nicht neidisch sind.
Geld allein macht halt auch nicht Glücklich. Ich wurde kürzlich wieder mal gefragt, wie viel ich verdiene, von einem guten Freund. Ich hatte kein Problem die Info weiterzugeben. Ich finde diese ganze Neid-Debatte sehr lächerlich. Das Argument hört man so oft in Österreich. Als ob die Menschen mehr neidig wären, wenn sie genaue Zahlen wissen würden. Ob es einem finanziell gut oder schlecht geht, sieht man doch sowieso oder hat jemand von euch extra ein schäbiges Zweit-Auto mit dem er zur Familie fährt? Erzählt ihr niemanden, von eurem Urlaub? Geheimnisse schüren immer nur Spekulationen und dann beschwert man sich wieder, was nicht alles hinter dem eigenen Rücken geredet wird. Jeder ist für sein eigenes (Un-)Glück verantwortlich. |
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Government-controlled fiat is a bad idea, and shifting the centralization to private companies doesn't fix anything but merely compounds the problems. When will people learn?
Bitcoin isn't exactly immune from scammers either. Any new technology is going to be exploited or hacked by thieves looking for their paycheck. Both people, governments and corporations need to be one step ahead and keep themselves as secure as they can. Do make it simple: The kind of fraud, that is described in this article is not possible with Bitcoin. There is no central authority, that can give someone your private key, just because he knows the last digits of your SSN. Sure, people might be able to hack your phone or your computer to get your private key, but that is a whole other level of theft and you can but many layers of security over your private key, to make that as hard as possible. |
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The title should be renamed to: "the 3 problems with Bill Gates" 1: He's tampering with the vaccines, there's been loads of reports that his foundation have been going to third world countries vaccinating unsuspecting population with his poison, they often end up sterilized, paralysed or even dead, 2: He has patents on geo engineering, specificity atmospheric aerosol spraying technologies. I'm so tired of looking up at the sky and seeing the weather manipulation going on.  3: He is the chief shareholder of Monsanto and McDonalds, Monsanto are one of worst corporations in the history of the planet, and their objective is to completely genetically modify ALL our food chain. Also good old Bill has acquired the Epicyte gene, made rats sterile after 3 generations. So enjoy that Big Mac , mmmm I'm loving it! The list of crimes against humanity is long with Gates, I just choose the first three that came into my head. Please research this man and his agenda specificity with regards to population control. Should I take financial advice from this person? Fuck no!  |
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Österreich != Deutschland. Klar ist vieles ähnlich, wie was genau besteuert wird sollte man aber nicht unbedingt mit internationalen Vergleichen "belegen".
Das ist aber besser, als es mit gar nichts zu belegen. |
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The first one is definitely a problem. Poor people can't rely on BitCoin.
Depends on the country. There are people from countries with high inflation, who benefited a lot from storing their wealth in Bitcoin, even if it is volatile. People really need to learn, that there are other countries in the world than the USA. |
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@plogs Hab aus Interesse gefragt, weil es unwahrscheinlich ist wenn du Maurer bist, dass sie davon ausgehen das Bitcoins zu deinem unternehmerischen Rahmen gehören @Chefin Rat vom Fachmann ist immer gut. Jedoch hilft am Anfang auch ein kurzes Gespräch mim Finanzamt, ob die da was nicht verwechselt haben. Wenn die denken das er im Rahmen seiner Unternehmung, Bitcoins verkauft würden bei jedem Verkauf von Bitcoins die Umsatzsteuer fällig, d.h er müsste bei nem Verkauf von einem Bitcoin im Wert von 119 Euro, 19 Euro an das Finanzamt abführen und darauf wollen die Kerlchen vom FA raus. Daher auch der Verweis auf (9a) Einer sonstigen Leistung gegen Entgelt werden gleichgestellt
1. die Verwendung eines dem Unternehmen zugeordneten Gegenstands, der zum vollen oder teilweisen Vorsteuerabzug berechtigt hat, durch einen Unternehmer für Zwecke, die außerhalb des Unternehmens liegen, oder für den privaten Bedarf seines Personals, sofern keine Aufmerksamkeiten vorliegen; dies gilt nicht, wenn der Vorsteuerabzug nach § 15 Absatz 1b ausgeschlossen oder wenn eine Vorsteuerberichtigung nach § 15a Absatz 6a durchzuführen ist;
2. die unentgeltliche Erbringung einer anderen sonstigen Leistung durch den Unternehmer für Zwecke, die außerhalb des Unternehmens liegen, oder für den privaten Bedarf seines Personals, sofern keine Aufmerksamkeiten vorliegen.
Wenn die quasi auf ihrer Meinung beharren ist der Zeitpunkt gekommen einen Fachmann aufzusuchen. Wo hast du das denn her? Ich habe mit den Betreibern von https://www.coinimal.com/ gesprochen und die haben gesagt, dass man auf die Gebühren Umsatzsteuer zahlt und nicht auf den Gesamtbetrag. Die haben dafür ein anwaltliches Gutachten(bin mir nicht sicher, ob das der richtige Begriff ist). Das ist jetzt natürlich in Österreich, aber ich kann mir nicht vorstellen, dass es in Deutschland viel anders ist. |
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Well I use paper wallet but nowadays I develop that sense of insecurity of having the paper getting stolen and the private key revealed. And also since it is just a paper, there's a chance for the ink to fade off someday. Been looking into hardware wallet so more or less I have narrowed down to few options such as trezor or btchip.
Combining physical security and digital security is good option. Use acid free or Archival paper that is laminated with multisig. One concern is that with hardware wallets you ultimately still have to back it up and typically with 12 word mnemonic from a HD wallet which essentially makes it only as secure as a non-multisig paper wallet. You can split the words up between multiple locations but than if one of the shards of your 12 word mnemonic gets lost or stolen than you lose the ability to recover your wallet unlike with a m of n multisig which allows you to lose some of the keys. I personally like multisig wallets where 1 key is encrypted in a password manager, one key is laminated in a safe, and one key is in a off site time capsule. This ensures that I am both protected from viruses and trojans, thieves breaking into my house, accidents or forgetfulness, and still can move the funds fairly quickly to my cell phone if I am in a hurry. For this reason it may also be wise to split your savings between multiple paper wallets so you don't have to restore all of your savings from a paper wallet either and a smaller portion if you need some quick cash. Are there any better ways of generating paperwallets? (ideally not too complicated)
Kind of assumed that offline bitaddress was very secure.
Currently, the best way to generate secure paperwallets is to perform a fresh install of a linux distro combined with armory on a spare computer. The easiest and most secure way to generate multisig paperwallets will be the Mycelium Entropy once it is released. When I get mine I will audit and review it for everyone. Could you review the bitadress.org-code? I think, that is what most people use, nowadays. |
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Die Datenbank stammt meinen Aufzeichnungen zufolge aus der Nacht zwischen dem 20. und 21. Februar 2014 MEZ. Wenn die Balken auf Bitcoinwisdom halbwegs stimmen, müssten in der Zeit danach noch überschlagsweise gut 250.000 coins gehandelt worden sein. Da hat sich also noch einiges getan, z.B. bei mir. Vor allem verstehe ich den Sinn nicht. Was soll das beweisen?
Meiner Meinung nach geht es bei Hacks und deren Leaks, Defacements, etc. darum, zu zeigen, dass es derjenige kann. Vermutlich fehlt es diesen Leuten an Erfolgserlebnissen im richtigen Leben. Mit den Zensierungen wollen sie wiederum zeigen, wie ehrenhaft sie doch sind, wahre Helden eben  Die nicht mal aktuelle Datenbank hätten sie dafür allerdings nicht extra leaken zu brauchen. Dass auf MtGox ja scheinbar sämtliche Hacker ein und aus gingen und Zugriff auf sämtliche Datenbanken samt Email, Namen, Anschrift, mit Sicherheit auch noch Geburtsdatum und Ausweiskopie, hatten, ist ja nichts neues mehr. Meinen finalen Kontostand wusste ich z.B. schon aus dem Leak von vor einem Jahr Haben diejenigen, die sich nicht finden, nur ihren Namen oder nur ihre User-ID gesucht? Vielleicht ist beim Zensieren was untergegangen oder es handelt sich nur um eine Teildatenbank. Ich hab nach meiner E-Mail-Adresse gesucht. Da ist ja nur der Teil nach dem @ zensiert, soweit ich das gesehen habe. |
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Ich bin nicht drinnen. Sind vermutlich sehr alte Daten
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Well I use paper wallet but nowadays I develop that sense of insecurity of having the paper getting stolen and the private key revealed. And also since it is just a paper, there's a chance for the ink to fade off someday. Been looking into hardware wallet so more or less I have narrowed down to few options such as trezor or btchip.
I recently bought a laminator for that purpose. Haven't used it, yet ^^ |
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lol
Sorry, but this thread doesn't make much sense.
How was it ninja?
I mean, there wasn't a big announcement in the Newspaper, that Bitcoin are comming, but that is just because there is no big company behind it, which could afford that.
Are all the Kickstarter-projects also ninja launches?
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You really don't get it, do you?
There a two pretty obvious good things about merchants like Dell accepting Bitcoin:
1. A lot of people still think, Bitcoin is drug money. Have you heard about the Silk Road trial? That is how a lot of people see the use of Bitcoin.
So, even when you tell them all the good things about it, they still don't see any use for it, because they don't want to do illegal stuff, so they don't even look into it. That changes when a big player like Dell accepts it, so people think: "Oh, you can also do legal stuff with this Bitcoin, maybe I can use it for something"
2. It makes the market more fluid. I haven't meet anyone, who said, he pays with Bitcoin, but doesn't buy back the amount he used. So, yes, that is the pressure on the buying side.
Your example is just plain stupid: Would Joe see, that the merchant accepts Mastercard and go through all the hassle to get one? Same thing. No, he won't just for that one purchase, but after seeing it a couple of times, he might consider going through that hassle.
Okay i get what you're saying but what would you say about the effect of dumping by Dell  That is part of the market being fluid. Fluid means, that the price is more stable, since there is so much activity, that a single action wouldn't influence the market much. In theory for every dump of Dell, there is someone refilling his coins. So, there is the same raise at supply and demand, which, in theory, means, that the price isn't affected. I know, most people want the price to raise as quickly as possible, that is not going to happen, by the "using and refilling"-part, that happens by the "more people seeing BTC as a good/legal/usefull thing"-part. I still can't agree with you , let's just wait and see what impact does Dell have on it's value I don't think, you can tell, what impact Dell had on the market after some time, since Dell isn't the only player here. I am curious about, which part do you disagree with. |
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You really don't get it, do you?
There a two pretty obvious good things about merchants like Dell accepting Bitcoin:
1. A lot of people still think, Bitcoin is drug money. Have you heard about the Silk Road trial? That is how a lot of people see the use of Bitcoin.
So, even when you tell them all the good things about it, they still don't see any use for it, because they don't want to do illegal stuff, so they don't even look into it. That changes when a big player like Dell accepts it, so people think: "Oh, you can also do legal stuff with this Bitcoin, maybe I can use it for something"
2. It makes the market more fluid. I haven't meet anyone, who said, he pays with Bitcoin, but doesn't buy back the amount he used. So, yes, that is the pressure on the buying side.
Your example is just plain stupid: Would Joe see, that the merchant accepts Mastercard and go through all the hassle to get one? Same thing. No, he won't just for that one purchase, but after seeing it a couple of times, he might consider going through that hassle.
Okay i get what you're saying but what would you say about the effect of dumping by Dell That is part of the market being fluid. Fluid means, that the price is more stable, since there is so much activity, that a single action wouldn't influence the market much. In theory for every dump of Dell, there is someone refilling his coins. So, there is the same raise at supply and demand, which, in theory, means, that the price isn't affected. I know, most people want the price to raise as quickly as possible, that is not going to happen, by the "using and refilling"-part, that happens by the "more people seeing BTC as a good/legal/usefull thing"-part. |
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Good for adoption and acceptance, bad anytime someone makes a purchase, since Dell immediately dumps the coin for fiat. Double-edged sword, but I'll take it for the long run. How come you're sure that theyre going to dump it for fiat? Because they use Coinbase as a payment processor: https://www.coinbase.com/merchantsPayment processor in this context essentially means Bitcoin to Fiat immediately. Which means Bitcoin sold, which means price goes down as soon as a Bitcoin gets sold for fiat. The fact that bitcoins get sold right after dont mean price drop, since that very bitcoin had to be bought first, the price isnt affected in a negative way, it does have positive side because it means bigger adoption, possible new users etc.. If someone is to say that dell , or any other merchant acceptance is bad for bitcoin, theyre wrong, since thats the very point of bitcoin. cheers If you're looking at it with consideration that Dell will sell their bitcoins instantly in a bulk than it will effect the price , as that will be dumping and no matter the increase in number of people , it will decrease the bitcoin rate by little how can it affect the price when bitcoin had to be bought in the first place? at best it would just create more room between bid and ask price. i buy bitcoin, buy on dell site, they sell that bitcoin, the price evens out. its a different thing if you are spending bitcoin u has earlier. cheers Okay let us suppose , there is joe and he buys certain item from his neighbourhood shop , but then the shop owner says i accept cash ,CC and BTC . So will joe pay with cash or think NO i should pay via BTC with all the hassle of learning and doing shit AND then there are you , knowing about bitcoin and shit , you need something from that shop , you go and you have 3 choices , you choose whatever is fine and you pay. So Dell accepting bitcoin is more useful for people already using btc and won't put much effect on buying side You really don't get it, do you? There a two pretty obvious good things about merchants like Dell accepting Bitcoin: 1. A lot of people still think, Bitcoin is drug money. Have you heard about the Silk Road trial? That is how a lot of people see the use of Bitcoin. So, even when you tell them all the good things about it, they still don't see any use for it, because they don't want to do illegal stuff, so they don't even look into it. That changes when a big player like Dell accepts it, so people think: "Oh, you can also do legal stuff with this Bitcoin, maybe I can use it for something" 2. It makes the market more fluid. I haven't meet anyone, who said, he pays with Bitcoin, but doesn't buy back the amount he used. So, yes, that is the pressure on the buying side. Your example is just plain stupid: Would Joe see, that the merchant accepts Mastercard and go through all the hassle to get one? Same thing. No, he won't just for that one purchase, but after seeing it a couple of times, he might consider going through that hassle. |
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Guns were invented to protect us but now bad people are using it to kill innocent people. Planes & Ships were invented to reach the farthest corners of the world but now bad people are using it to transfer illegal materials all over the world. The list can a long way for the inventions that were made for good and are being used to do bad. Why blame bitcoin??
Bitcoin is just another good invention that's being used by some bad people also.
Yes ! I never saw a gun killing someone , it has always been the bad guys Have you missed the last episode of Breaking Bad? |
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