wait till russians start becoming capitalists and are trying to install a central bank in every worlds community the find, like the americans did, world will get new epicenter of earthquakes comming from russia.
americans raised russians not to be communists, russians, took that lession serious, now they can imagine what they have created.
If a central bank is so capitalist, why is it one of the 10 planks of Communism? |
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The federal reserve is supposed to serve the public but the reality is that it's a semi-autonomous bank and most of the regional chapters are all headed by bankers and none of the leaders are elected.
I think this is a key point in my opinion, the Federal Reserve needs to act in the best interests of helping the economy rather than private interests. well it does that, and constantly american money is flowing abroad, the neverending foreign trade deficit is visible in accounting, usd becomes weak, puting himself once said, that the americans are bloodsuckers in the world economy due to their foreign trade deficit. You operate under the delusion that The Federal Reserve serves the USA, and that it has not been sucking our blood too. |
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Trust me, Macron is shitting himself, and if he isn't he is pretty dumb. Just because these people don't want to fight cops doesn't mean they won't string his ass up, and if they chose to the police wouldn't be able to stop them anyway.
Oh ok then I should trust you. I mean you're clearly more aware than me of what's happening in France and Paris than myself. What do I know? I'm just living here  I know plenty of people who live here who don't know a God damned thing about the internal social dynamics of our nation. There is no reason you could not be ignorant of some aspects of your nation. That is a cute bit of sophistry though. If this: You also seem to think violence is required for change, which is very telling about you personally.
Isn't ad hominem then we don't have the same definition. Macron doesn't give a shit and has no reason to do so. Number of persons involved in the movement is decreasing every week, movement support is decreasing every week, violence and damages are decreasing every week... Please tell me how this is an "opinion"? Facts are just pointing out that the movement is dying so why should he care? It is not, and we do. You don't know the definition unfortunately, which is why I included a pretty graphic so you would maybe learn that definition, but to no avail. "So you're saying nothing in fact. At least nothing interesting useful or logical." That is the opinion I referred to. Not seeing any facts there... just a lazy way of [see chart] criticizing the tone without addressing the substance of the argument. |
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If I touch you with a magic wand and give you a brain disease, does that now make atheism equally as invalid as your mind degenerates?
I would like to rephrase this question. If a mentally ill atheist does evil acts based on her Godless beliefs, would that mean that atheism is evil? Surely not. So if a mentally ill theist did evil acts based on her God beliefs, would that mean that religion is evil? Regarding the Abraham story, Abraham did not kill his child, the woman did. To me, that is the key difference. Both of you guys missed the boat. The Abraham story was in the FUCKING BIBLE. Let me re-phrase the question, was God clinically insane? So you believe in God now? |
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Out of all the US historical figures, in my opinion Abraham Lincoln least deserves admiration. He was known for not being particularly intelligent, had a grade school level education, and was in reality quite a tyrant. He locked up many journalists and politicians who disagreed with his policies. He also almost single handedly delivered this nation into banker servitude, nearly destroying it in the process. His father was very abusive and neglectful, so it would not shock me to see some of that trauma or genetic inclination to have manifest in him.
Genesis 22 Merry Isaac Newton Day!!! Sorry, I thought I saw Lincoln in there for some reason... lol. I read the article. That is horrifying. I think the real question is here, how many times have people done equally horrifying things reenacting stories in movies or books of any kind. The court ruled she is mentally ill. I don't know if any of you have any experience with mentally ill people, but I do, and they tend to latch on to various things in their environment and integrate it into their delusions. Honestly it just sounds to me like one evangelical belief system criticizing another, using an argument that is not particularly logic based at that. If I touch you with a magic wand and give you a brain disease, does that now make atheism equally as invalid as your mind degenerates? Step up your game atheists, if you are going to claim to be the voice of reason and logic, at least bring some to the table. |
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If trump wins his war with the federal reserve,
we will see:
1.Trust and Confidence in usdollar outside of us crashing
2. usa becomming a communist country.
3. rest of world starts to immitate trumps attack on central banks
4. conflicts between governments population and central banks globally,
5. trust loss of banking cartels.
6. rise of communism globally.
regards
How exactly does this topic relate with Communism in your opinion? americans will become communists, what else? why should world continue to accept their neverending foreign trade deficit? the chinese are getting tired of that the russians are getting tired of that. etc Oh I see. The USA is the only one with debts... lol. Most Americans would rather leave this nation a pile of rubble than let it become Communist. You have fun with your fantasy though. |
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If trump wins his war with the federal reserve,
we will see:
1.Trust and Confidence in usdollar outside of us crashing
2. usa becomming a communist country.
3. rest of world starts to immitate trumps attack on central banks
4. conflicts between governments population and central banks globally,
5. trust loss of banking cartels.
6. rise of communism globally.
regards
How exactly does this topic relate with Communism in your opinion? |
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In the spirit of Christmas, can we on bitcointalk.org try to find some political consensus? Can Flying Hellfish and TECSHARE agree on anything?
Some points which might find general agreement:
- The freedom of individuals is important.
- The prevailing banking/fiat system is on the whole bad.
- In most places, the people would be far better off if major changes were made to their respective governments.
- As long as scarcity exists, the existence of some form of trade is good.
- Technology is good.
- Humanity should dominate the universe.
Any others? Do you disagree with even those broad statements?
I am of the opinion consensus is overvalued. Everyone standing around agreeing with each other never accomplishes anything. However the slaughterhouse that is the marketplace of ideas is a perpetual source of bringing the most valuable ideas to the forefront, while cutting free those that are not. While it may seem brutal at times, it is easy to forget that it is through debate we focus this energy and disagreement on words, as opposed to trying to silence it, inevitably resulting these issues boiling over into violence. “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy P.S. I have it on record Flying Hellfish has actually agreed with me before. |
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The evidence is clear that most people in Britain are not in support of Brexit. Anytime, you watch news on TV or read articles on Brexit, people are always protesting. I think if Brexit should happen, it would be the selfish interest of the leaders in Britain but not the will of the majority of the citizens.
Obvious bot is obvious. Yeah I guess that first vote wasn't the "will of the people" it is only truly the will of the people after you have had enough time to try to brainwash them into compliance using the media right? |
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You seem to think the TV is a lot more important than it really is. You also seem to think violence is required for change, which is very telling about you personally. In spite of this movement rising from your home country, you seem to be totally ignorant of the ideals of your own countrymen. Even if what you say is true, this is bigger than France now and is indicative of a larger movement world wide. You keep telling me about TV I don't even watch if you like though.
You say "Macron is learningnow". I answer "The people aren't even near ready to shake the power. Macron is laughing right now and movement is already nearly dead." Your answer to this is just telling me "it's bigger than France now" "don't talk about TV so much" (while I just refered to it once in a post) and some adhominem attacks concerning my supposed personality. So you're saying nothing in fact. At least nothing interesting useful or logical. You should try reciting some of these posts to yourself into a mirror some time. You might find it helpful... I really don't much care for your opinion anyway, and the fact you think my direct response is not "interesting or logical" is itself not even a retort, just some sad impotent personal opinion of your own dressed up as one. You give me a handful of personal anecdotes and then accuse me of having no logic and nothing interesting to say. Trust me, Macron is shitting himself, and if he isn't he is pretty dumb. Just because these people don't want to fight cops doesn't mean they won't string his ass up, and if they chose to the police wouldn't be able to stop them anyway. P.S. Learn how to use the definition of ad hominem properly, because there was none. You taking offense to a statement does not constitute a personal attack. Until you step up your game this is going to continue happening. Or you know, keep picking your nose as usual...  |
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Ok, so you aren't here to make an argument, but you in fact made one, a poor one at that, which was quickly refuted. What you are describing is a textbook example of a logical fallacy called a "false choice" where two extremes are presented as the only solutions. The solution doesn't have to be perfect to produce positive results.
Wall will be costly and innefficient. Accept illegal migrants or shoot them. Wall can't stop people determined enough. People are travelling thousands of kilometers by foot in places you would never go to reach Europe. Why would they turn away for a simple wall in Mexico? Makes no sense.
Did I say it wouldn't produce any result? I said innefficient. You made a poor argument, and people pointed it out. You want some one to kiss your boo boo and tell you its ok your ideas are dumb because you tried? You demand to be treated like an intellectual equal but you bring nothing to the table. You are like a child demanding to sit with the adults, but you still insist on eating your boogers in front of everyone at that table. Then you cry about the food that some one else hunted, cleaned, and prepared for you, and demand to be served a rare albino lobster instead as you pound your fists on the table throwing a fit.
I ask you to read words, all the words not just the ones you chose. Innefficient. Not "will produce no effect". Saying the extreme solutions should be the ones considered because they're the most effective is NOT a false choice fallacy. But again you don't read. Oh and your whole metaphor is not really sharp as, again, I just came here to congratulate the man quoted in the OP. So I came at the adult table to cheer on someone, saying he had the right method if not the best goal, and got immediately caught by the rest of the "adults" because criticizing the goal is not something allowed here. You're a special snowflake don't worry <3 "I said it and I'll say it again, you want no illegal immegration there are only two solutions: -Shoot anyone trying to pass -Accept everyone trying to pass" Hmmm looks different than "inefficient" to me. Looks exactly like that false choice fallacy I mentioned where you claim it either works or it doesn't. If you had come to the adult table as an adult we wouldn't be having this particular conversation. Snowflake, that's... original. You ALMOST had a thought of your own for a moment there. It almost made sense too! You were so close! Keep trying. |
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There is the possibility that she (at her advanced age, and I am not advocating this or gloating about it, it's just reality) could go comatose or otherwise completely incapable of functioning on the court, but not resign. She has to actually die or resign. I have a feeling this is what is going to happen, even if the dems have to keep her head around in a glass jar. |
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My prediction is this yellow vest movement is going to be spreading to the UK, and May has some balls thinking she can deny the mandate of the people and let a EU dictatorship take their sovereignty. There will be repercussions, just like Macron is now learning.
Learning what? Nothing is happening. I'm in Paris and media are just focusing on the few dozens guys having some actual balls. I was in the protests, most of the people there yell "Police is not our ennemiex" "Don't provoke violence" "Get the violent people in prison we're peaceful here" The people aren't even near ready to shake the power. Macron is laughing right now and movement is already nearly dead. Sadly, nothing is happening, don't believe your TV on this :/ You seem to think the TV is a lot more important than it really is. You also seem to think violence is required for change, which is very telling about you personally. In spite of this movement rising from your home country, you seem to be totally ignorant of the ideals of your own countrymen. Even if what you say is true, this is bigger than France now and is indicative of a larger movement world wide. You keep telling me about TV I don't even watch if you like though. |
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Yes, I am sure all the past interactions I have had with you are not indicative enough of your ideology, and you were just about to introduce a reason based, logical debate to defend your position before you were so rudely interrupted. Get over yourself, or at least actually present the argument instead of crying about how we aren't interested in a debate (as you conveniently avoid one yourself).
As usual you don't read or don't think or both. I wasn't here to make an argument, I was here to congratulate the initiative presented by OP. You're the ones forcing a debate and all yelling at the fact that someone might slightly disagree with you. It's incredible how you're in fact exact copy-paste of the "offended left" you're all crying about. Argument was presented already: Said what I had to say. Thinking the wall will prevent illegal chaotic immigration is really a lack of imagination. They'll climb it, they'll dig under, they'll go by sea, they'll fly over... Wall is a high cost low efficiency mean.
There is no logical error in my post. I said it and I'll say it again, you want no illegal immegration there are only two solutions:
-Shoot anyone trying to pass
-Accept everyone trying to pass
Anything in between won't work. Try it if you want, but it won't work.
Wall will be costly and innefficient. Accept illegal migrants or shoot them. Wall can't stop people determined enough. People are travelling thousands of kilometers by foot in places you would never go to reach Europe. Why would they turn away for a simple wall in Mexico? Makes no sense. Ok, so you aren't here to make an argument, but you in fact made one, a poor one at that, which was quickly refuted. What you are describing is a textbook example of a logical fallacy called a "false choice" where two extremes are presented as the only solutions. The solution doesn't have to be perfect to produce positive results. You made a poor argument, and people pointed it out. You want some one to kiss your boo boo and tell you its ok your ideas are dumb because you tried? You demand to be treated like an intellectual equal but you bring nothing to the table. You are like a child demanding to sit with the adults, but you still insist on eating your boogers in front of everyone at that table. Then you cry about the food that some one else hunted, cleaned, and prepared for you, and demand to be served a rare albino lobster instead as you pound your fists on the table throwing a fit. |
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You people are incredibly blinded. I've never seen this in my life. You're in fact not able to have a discussion, you're just plain bots. You're talking and answering me exactly as if I said that I want the wall to not be built, that I want open borders, that I want to do nothing. While my VERY FIRST POST is a post of congratulations to this popular initiative, saying that even if I don't think the wall is a good idea, the fact that the people are pushing it this way and actually paying for it is and example of democracy and how things should be. Yet you're all simply seeing I disagree with the wall idea, hence putting me in the "he wants more refugees" table. This is incredible, you're not only blinded, you're complete binary. This is the reason why you're called fucking nazis, not because of your immegration concerns, not because of your dubious ideals, but because you have only 2 points of view: -Someone agrees with everything you say or believe -> he's a gentleman and an intelligent being -Someone slightly disagrees with the solution you propose but salutes you for the method and says if you do it this way you have the right to do it and government shouldn't oppose it -> he's a traitor, an idiot and just wants more rapes and crimes You simply proved you're not able or not willing to have any kind of discussion. Ahahahahahah This is awesome xDHonestly: the wall idea is stupid as fuck and Trump and his supporters aren't anyway better than Clinton and her supporters. But to see part of the population actually tying a project together, directly raise the funds and trying to enforce this on the Nation, that's awesome! That's how democracy should be! Bottom-up not the other way around!Respect to the man and the people trying to pull all of this! I disagree with pretty much everything he says and thought but at least he's seriously trying to do something he believes is right rather than just crying while doing nothing! 
(or waiting for the gvt to do it or him)However, you are not alone with your opinion. You stand with the "cultural elite of Washington" who share your scorn and disdain for the wishes of the actual people. After the total chaos and the thousands of rapes and murders resulting from the recent "migrant caravans" into Europe, you guys really should have learned.
Hey, want more TRUMP-like people voted in? Just keep it up.
However believing that letting millions of impoverished people in to the country will solve poverty is a perfectly acceptable conclusion.
Yes, I am sure all the past interactions I have had with you are not indicative enough of your ideology, and you were just about to introduce a reason based, logical debate to defend your position before you were so rudely interrupted. Get over yourself, or at least actually present the argument instead of crying about how we aren't interested in a debate (as you conveniently avoid one yourself). |
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~ it's stupid to believe any kind of wall will solve the problem. It is stupid to believe the wall will solve the problem, and it's just as stupid to believe it won't help. In the real world, there is neither the straw man argument or any need for the rebuttal to it. You know damn well the solutions has dozens of parts and policies and one essential part is that fucking wall! However believing that letting millions of impoverished people in to the country will solve poverty is a perfectly acceptable conclusion. |
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It has come to a point of making everything family friendly for all ages. Nowdays you can't even swear without trouble of being banned or censored. On example I remember week ago there was a history movie about ww2. and guess who was censored? Swastika was edited to just be a cross. It came to the point where you are not allowed to show the history the way it was. I am aware of laws in Germany, you can get arrested there just for mentioning ww2.
In Europe if you engage in some political speech agains government there is a chance you will get visited by police I won't even talk about lower rank countrys where is high corruption.
I just feel that we should have more alternatives which would not be so highly monitored and censored.
Yes that is the reality. Government has been censoring history and has been doing that to preveng conflicts in that case that is really unfair when we do talk about our freedom of speech. But in my place people now always has a say about politics and were never arrested maybe because we might be influenced by the US culture and has been practicing democracy This is the key here. This is why everyone is so keen on tearing apart the US, censoring it, and removing our rights here. In the modern world our freedoms here will forever serve as a reminder of the oppression so many people suffer in their own countries with no freedom of speech, right to bear arms, or other unique constitutional rights we have here in the US. Since censorship will be a temporary patch at most for these more totalitarian countries to cover up their oppressive acts, the most effective method is to actually manipulate the US into removing rights of its people to more closely fall in line with totalitarian practices. Conversely, even though the USA has in many ways been quite a source of problems for the world for a while, still should be protected because it remains to serve as that example of (relative) freedom, at least in principle and law if not in practice. If the USA falls, the world is going to lose a critical culture of rare freedoms, possibly forever. This may seem a bit grandiose, but if you look at it in historical context, such freedoms are almost unheard of, especially on this scale. |
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Who wants to take bets on how many rape accusers come forward for her?
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I am a realist, maybe even a bit of a cynic, especially when it comes to politics, but I think people are going to be pleasantly surprised with Trump's legacy. This, if he actually pulls it off, is another YUGE confirmation he is putting the brakes on that staus quo, and not just giving lip service.
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...you are operating under the assumption that socialism must be achieved by forcing others to do something and not by a group of individuals all voluntarily buying into a set of principles. It is not an assumption, it is a fact. Socialism can not exist without either being parasitic on the previous work of others under capitalism, or by having high taxes which are collected by force at the point of the gun to fund these programs. There is NO OTHER WAY for your fantasies to operate in reality. You can claim Socialists aren't affected by gravity as much as you want, but you are still going to drop like an exceptionally dumb rock when you jump from a high place. Your fantasies do not change the nature of reality. |
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