I see, so blackface is acceptable, but smirking while wearing a MAGA hat in public is deserving of death threats and harassment of children is it?

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What you are advocating for can never be done because, see the rules, the rules are how it is done, the rules say it therefore the rules must stay that way and can never be changed. End of discussion, everyone please move along nothing to see here.

Things you should be looking for include wash trading, low volume high velocity price increases, orders that disappear when attempting to fill them (fake walls), and other conditions such as limited exchange availability or maintenance modes which limit arbitrage. These are among the most common manipulation techniques (not counting various forms of leveraging, margin calls, and fractional reserves).

I responded to your claim. Just because you choose not to accept my explanation does not magically make it nonexistent. There are some more on topic points here and here you can avoid addressing as well if you can keep thinking of other stuff you would rather talk about.

OoooOOooo scary. Preserving death threat for posterity.

You aren't really responding to my point, which is that some people might value an environment where there aren't dozens of people digging into their business and posting about it for no other reason than they suspect a forum account has been compromised, or the hundreds of other excuses people use to justify negative ratings. It is indeed a fact that just using crypto is a threat to the freedom and safety of certain individuals no matter how much you deny it.

This community used to be about freedom to do what you like as long as you aren't harming others. Now it is just a bunch of roaming cliques of outrage mobs looking for their next vessel to focus their hatred upon. This isn't stopping scammers it is actively providing cover for them regardless of what intent this may be done with. It is amazing how fast people demand the old broken corrupted systems they just escaped from any time a new disruptive technology is created. It is a shame, this place could be so much more.

So it isn't a fact that some people are in countries that will imprison them simply for using crypto, or that people are robbed and kidnapped over it, and thus a system of endless inquisition is a threat to some people in this way? No what is important is your semantics and condemnation. You don't argue any of the very logical points I made and instead go for semantics and more accusations. I have brought substance to the table. Now you try.

I see, so my points are only valid if they are your points. Good talk.

Does this count?

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=kidnapped+bitcoin

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=prison+for+bitcoin

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=bitcoin+stolen






I really have a hard time believing all of you avoiding the topic at hand are incapable of understanding the difference between what you suspect and what you can prove. I have explained here why this arbitrary use of trust ratings is counter productive here and here. You are using circular logic, saying it is what you have done in the past, therefore it is what you should do in the future. What are the consequences of him not signing the message? Why couldn't he be tagged neutral for others to reference if they care to? There is a clear punitive retaliatory element to this instigated as soon as this user started raising issues. This is the standard operating procedure here any time some one comes looking for some kind of recompense or restoration of their account. There is no accountability for this system of arbitrary inquisition and it is wide open to abuse. Without a standard of evidence of theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws negative ratings should not be left.

It is almost like this is the forum and thread for discussing the issues with the trust system and you keep wanting to make it about this person's imagined crimes instead of the topic of the counterproductive nature of the current administration of it.

Is is absurd or irrelevant? Why is it the position consistently needs to be shifted away from this poor standard of evidence and the negative results back to the suspicion on this person demanding him to confirm his account for no particular reason other than to satiate the desires of people with nothing better to do? You know what is absurd is you arguing against a standard of evidence with that signature tag on.

Again bravo for demonstrating once again several people here are struggling with every tool they have to put everyone who questions them on the defensive by hook or crook, and the topic itself is only secondary.

Why should anyone care that this kind of behavior can get people thrown in prison, robbed, or killed in their home nations for no other reason than some people here have nothing better to do than play private investigator?

The problem with these exclusive forums is that there is not enough critical mass for discussion. Quality discussion takes times and energy people could be devoting toward other goals therefore essentially relies on people's boredom to produce content. If you wanted a smaller more select group like this to work I would say you should offer some kind of monetary version of merits like we here here. I loathe to compare it to the "R" word because it is such a dumpster fire, but a system like that could give incentive for people to provide more active and more quality content.

Interesting how it is always a joke when it goes the other way but the sky will fall if your own accusations are unheeded.

Does anyone else see the hypocrisy of making a joke of the guy defending himself from mere accusations of suspicion, but the accusations themselves are of utmost importance apparently. I am sure it is just a total coincidence these accusations escalated to negative ratings shortly after this user started raising issues of abuse in meta.

Funny how this serious discussion is suddenly so boring. So hey lets liven it up a bit with some more drama, so all the arguments can be dismissed and the topic slid to some other side issue right? You cry about drama but you simultaniously make a joke out of serious discussion. You add nothing.

Can everyone see how this constant default position of inquisition is not only not a desirable user experience, but can literally be dangerous to the physical safety and freedom of users?

That is the issue. The trust system is supposed to be a simple guide for noobs right? Unfortunately though no system is free from exploitation. We should be encouraging users to use the green and red numbers as a QUICK REFERENCE, then to do their own due diligence before trading. By overly applying the ratings we are just creating signal noise and confusion allowing this kind of manufactured crime of suspicion creating complete ambiguity as to who is actually a scammer and who is not. The net is too wide so you catch too many innocents, or for very petty reasons, people notice, then the whole system becomes useless for its intended purpose.

We need a standard of theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws for leaving a negative rating, otherwise it can never be a useful quick reference as explained above. Even if it WAS a good quick reference, teaching noobs to just use those numbers and not do due diligence is feeding them into a wood chipper of fraud by teaching them to trust a system that can be manipulated. Furthermore these trust police feed into this feeling by giving the perception that they actively stop scams.

I am sorry but this whole thing that has arisen here is what we call a clusterfuck and it needs to stop. I can't even imagine how much more we could have accomplished if all of this energy was redirected towards constructive things rather than playing cops and robbers and ripping apart the foundation of the cohesiveness of the culture of the forum itself.

Yeah, after 8 years of being around here I know how it works, thank you for the patronizing explanation though.

You are missing the point completely. It is irrelevant if he can't prove it is his account, because first of all there is no victim making a claim. Now if some one he had harmed came forward, ok sure I wouldn't have any issue whatsoever.

However in this case he is simply SUSPECTED of not being the owner. While he can't prove he is, why should he have to? Oh right, because the forum police have decided that you are guilty until proven innocent. This is exactly why I advocate for a standard of evidence of theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws before rating.

I am sure that it is absolutely coincidence all these people decided now would be a good time to negative tag him. I am sure this inquisition has nothing to do with the fact that he is critical of the very same behavior these people who rated him perpetrate on a daily basis. This is the plausible deniability of harassment, inquisition, and dog piling these people use to justify their behavior by systematically discrediting anyone who criticizes them.

Is this where you damage control and limp wristedly condemn these people because you were forced to by being exposed so you don't look hypocritical?

I will just leave this here:



https://www.philanthropyroundtable.org/almanac/statistics/u.s.-generosity

Very interesting. What a shocker. Another person who has critical things to say punished with their own personal inquisition. I reviewed the case, and all I see is suspicion. There is no evidence of wrongdoing, just demands by the forum overlords for the user to prove their identity, and punishment for not doing so. I am sure it is just a complete coincidence this inquisition was rebirthed directly after them being critical of the trust police right? It is almost like they try to find anything they can to discredit and punish anyone who criticizes their inquisition type Barney Fife OCD forum cop behavior.

No one has been able to explain to me why these kids should be under any scrutiny whatsoever. So far all I see are a bunch of bigoted and biased opinions based on some anecdotal experiences that are probably long past the norm anyway. Anything you can use to distract from the fact that the left is a mobile mob of two minutes of hate ready to lynch anyone who their corporate overlords and social media masters signal to them to attack with a few clicks of a button. This event exposed the regressive left for what they actually are a mob desperately seeking a vessel for their hatred at all costs, and never taking any accountability for the results.

If the roles had been reversed here in polar political opposites the whaling and the gnashing of teeth would never end. Facts have no relevance to these people any more, as long as they have a target to unleash their indiscriminate rage upon. This is not going to stop until people start standing up to them instead of just trying to avoid them or letting them take you hostage by being louder or more extreme in lieu of facts and logic. If not they will continue escalating until people start eventually give up turning the other cheek and start defending themselves. Then the media will cry how the conservatives perpetrated it and the mob will lap it all up and go looking for retribution, creating a feedback loop of violence. Does no one else see what is going on here? This is not a new script.