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5341  Economy / Reputation / Re: DT everyone? on: March 07, 2019, 11:18:06 PM
Huh. Look at that they aren't on DT2 any more. Amazing how that works.
I just excluded them both, that's why.

If you want to present a compelling argument as to why we should be keeping known scammers on DT, I'd be happy to revise my ratings. Perhaps you could also explain why you are including two inactive accounts whose only feedback left is a positive to yourself:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=179952
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=92735

Sure about that? They were on my trust lists for a long time and I was not aware of any of this so I removed them. Funny how you and Pharmie are aching for more conflict.
Speaking of that, interesting timing to exclude me isn't it The Pharmacist? I guess you just didn't find me untrustworthy until I was back on DT1. Amazing coincidence. I guess that is what I get for removing you from my exclusions.
5342  Economy / Reputation / Re: DT everyone? on: March 07, 2019, 10:27:45 PM
Huh. Look at that they aren't on DT2 any more. Amazing how that works.
5343  Economy / Reputation / Re: "Last of the V8s" is filing fake scam reports on: March 07, 2019, 09:55:31 PM
No, Lauda has not given CryptopreneurBrainboss a negative rating. She has given R0ach a negative rating. However, if you want to become a white knight for realr0ach, please go ahead. I'm popping the popcorn, now.The stuff he posts on this forum would have gotten him banned on the vast majority of social media platforms. Him being allowed to continue to post here is a testament to how liberal bitcointalk is when it comes to letting people express their views.

Did I say Lauda negative rated CryptopreneurBrainboss? I don't know R0ach from a hole in the ground, and I am not white knighting for anything other than principles. This is not a question about how liberal this forum is, it is a question of this negative rating being abusive. I don't think people should be able to negative rate people just because they don't like something that they said, as I have explained before I advocate for a standard of evidence of theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws to be the standard for negative rating. He may be a racist asshole, but that doesn't make it open season on him for trust system abuse.
5344  Other / Meta / Re: Theymos OUT OF CONTROL !!! on: March 07, 2019, 04:27:11 PM
You see this post gets 10 political merits from a proven trust abuser and it is actually net negative.
Don't worry, I sprinkled some apolitical merit on it to balance things out. Grin

How many months did it take for abuse of the merit system to become a joke? That has to be record time for a new feature. This is yet another example of Theymos wanting to have his cake and eat it too. You want to remove merits you think are invalid, but then you don't want to apply that rule universally, only for the people who are "more equal than others". I see him moving in the right direction, but I think he still doesn't quite get the dynamic at play here.
5345  Other / Meta / Re: This Is NOT A New Problem... A Walk Down Memory Lane on: March 07, 2019, 03:38:13 PM
Mr.TECSHARE,

I respect most of your thoughts about decentralization of the trust system and also honour your efforts in making Bitcointalk a better place to go around.

Today, I was just going through the trust system working history and I found it to be in action Mostly in the Marketplace section from 2013 IMO announced here.

And while going through it, I was shocked to see your name on the initial pages in 2013, and to guess what was you talking about, it's original quote stands here.

Quote from: TECSHARE link=topic=211858.msg2229639#msg2229639 date=May 22, 2013, 01:48:46
Is anyone else concerned that this system's may make it a lot easier for malicious parties to regulate, abuse, or target some of the most active members of the Bitcoin economy by turning it into an easy to use exportable database available to the public?

I was shocked to see you firm on your motive's from such a long time, I just don't remember what was I working on in 2013 by the way! Huh

I would just like to take this opportunity to honor your work of spreading ways to make the system work better.

Hats off to you!

I think this is the oldest trace I found about your "Walk Down Memory Lane" and would look good in the OP for sure.

I appreciate the effort and the kind words. Some people refer to me as a broken record. I prefer to refer to it as having principles. It still amazes me we are repeating all the same patterns around here with very little changed after all of these years.
5346  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Israel wants to extort 300,000,000,000 dollars from Poland on: March 07, 2019, 03:27:48 PM
I have a feeling this is being pushed in retaliation for this:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/germany-should-pay-poland-1-trillion-reparations-world-war-ii-government-a7929561.html

Also Poland is not submitting to being overrun with hoards of barbarians pushed by the EU, so they have even more reason to sandbag Poland.
5347  Economy / Reputation / Re: An obvious case of trust abuse (DT members welcome) on: March 07, 2019, 03:23:18 PM
You don't get it. Such things are destroying the trust system. Not that I'm quite happy with it at all (I made my point pretty clear about it long ago) but it was basically none of my business. Now it is

Funny how everyone stands on the sideline until it is their own ass isn't it?
5348  Economy / Reputation / Re: nutildah got red trust recent hours. Is the red trust fairly for him? on: March 07, 2019, 03:20:35 PM
For nutildah's situation, I'm reading the history of his feedback.
I waited for your final personal judgement on the case of nutildah as well as from others DT members.
Trust System is too complicated to me.
To be honest, I don't care too much about the Trust System, because I don't run services, and make deal with others here.
And, I only feel really trust someone when they have big amount of Trust points, above +30.
Too little positive or negative trust points might be abused, so should not be taken into consideration, seriously.

Despite of my limited understandings on Trust system, I still felt that current Red Trust on nutildah is a wrong one.
It's something like personal assasination.  Roll Eyes

Given that Nutilda actively supports this kind of trust rating for everyone else, I don't see any issues here. I would be happy to reconsider my position if Nutilda can explain why this rating is invalid though.
5349  Economy / Reputation / Re: "Last of the V8s" is filing fake scam reports on: March 07, 2019, 03:18:29 PM
I came to understand, feedbacks which aren't related to trade or scam like activities shouldn't be left with a positive or negative tag. The third option which is the neutral feedback should be used in a case if you feel the need lo leave a feedback.
Which is false. Stop spreading misinformation.

I was contemplating whether to act on this or not for a long time just like I did with bcash scammers. There you go.

I see, so some one disagrees with your burn them all attitude and they are automatically spreading misinformation and get a negative rating. You believe whatever serves you at any given moment. The tide is changing around here, and you aren't going to like the way you look, I guarantee it.

5350  Economy / Reputation / Re: Positive/Neutral Trust on: March 07, 2019, 03:06:43 PM
This is the big issue that separates me from Lauda I think as far as our idealism with trust ratings...  Giving out positive trust to those who don't deserve it is potentially much more damaging than not labeling a newbie as a scammer in my opinion.  
Unless I misunderstood your post, we are on the same page on this. I'm as conservative with positive ratings as it gets (percentage wise). I find green trust very dangerous, and we've had many cases of light/dark green users scamming others (this includes only the portion of threads that I have personally read, there are likely more).

I think that the lending section is the more obvious one for "buying" positive trust feedback, not the actual trading.

Collectibles is filled with members on DT, and I believe I'm the only somewhat active DT member in Lending. I don't think anyone uses Lending for 'buying' trust.
But there are lenders that provide loans to buy trust. Roll Eyes

You would think by now people like you would stop placing the blame on red and green numbers and instead admit the fact that ultimately it is all meaningless if the account changes hands. We should be teaching people to do due diligence, not setting the entire forest on fire to kill a few invasive weeds. You have fun with that flame thrower, that is until it is pointed the other direction. Then I am sure it will be a tragedy.
5351  Other / Meta / Re: Theymos OUT OF CONTROL !!! on: March 07, 2019, 02:50:25 PM
Quote
You’ve gone out of your way to criticise the guy who runs the forum, it’s not a good move buddy.

Seriously what have i to lose ?An account which got destroyed by some DT member abuse ?This account is dead for business with people i don't know.
Of course noone can show me a single scam accusation on my person or anybody claiming i cheated on him in the 6 years i'm on that forum but still i'm being marked as one of the worst scammer on that forum and why ?
Because i obey the forum rules and tried to buy an account which were allowed by the forum rules with no information that its being discouraged at that time and even had the permission of a forum mod to do so.
When complaining about the negative trust being called a scammer (because i checked rules and asked for mods permission via PM before trying to buy an account) i got flooded with negative trust from the abusers group who intentianly destroyed my account and defamed me.
So tell me what did i so bad that i as a longterm forum member deserve such a treatment and being marked as the worst scammer on that forum ?

This is the result of having unwritten rules and no standards for rating. People want to follow the rules (usually) but if they aren't actually written down then how exactly are they supposed to follow them? This is a well known precedent in law, that in order to convict some one of a law it has to be available to the public for review, for this exact reason. Since the rules are not written what we have instead is a patchwork of OCD vigilantes looking to increase their own profiles by throwing a few hundred people under the bus whether they deserved it or not. They are free to interpret the unwritten rules as widely as possible.

They don't have any standards, no proof needed, it is just a matter of convincing enough people to not be called out on it. Even if some one wanted to call them out on it they would simply be dismissed, much like everyone is doing here. Then of course the user gets increasingly frustrated and more vocal as anyone accused of a crime they did not commit would. You poo poo the annoyance of all the threads while never legitimately addressing any of these people then wonder why they never shut up. Because you are fueling them by being dismissive retards.

I too find these posts annoying, I find it annoying to have to post them myself some times, but just because you find it annoying doesn't mean it does not serve a purpose. Theymos thinks having no official rules is helpful some how. He is wrong. I sympathize with his intent, but the result is worse than what he is trying to avoid by not having set rules. The presence of these kind of threads is continual proof of it.
5352  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Capitalism vs. Socialism - Make your argument here. on: March 07, 2019, 02:30:09 PM
There isn't a debate being had.  No one supports socialism as the capitalists are defining it but people in this thread continue to argue against that straw man.   No one supports a system where people have no freedom.  Advocates of socialism and capitialism both want a system with more freedom. 

Stop fighting wind Smiley

They won't open their eyes on the very simple fact that previous communist countries were dictatorships... That a dictatorship is communist, capitalist, religious or whatever it doesn't matter. It's a dictatorship.

Now could we implement communism without dictatorship? That would be an interesting question.

But don't argue just put those idiots on ignore. They're too stupid to discuss anything outside of their beliefs.

I never saw a communist refusing to admit capitalism has its pros.
I never saw a capitalist admitting communism has its pros.

It isn't difficult to see where is the open mind.

They didn't just become dictatorships magically. Socialism and Communism were the preferred methods of usurpation for many of these dictatorships. You simply lack the intelligence to understand this process of degradation and what causes it. You think you have the answer but all you have is the same old genocidal dictatorships with a new face and an Instagram page.

Communism at best is "successful" until it runs out of resources and a way to motivate its people to produce resources. Once the resources are gone and there is no work incentive, guess what? You are now all slaves and you go to forced work camps or else the country collapses. This is the guaranteed outcome EVERY. FUCKING. TIME.

Communism has its pros like cocaine has its pros. It feels awesome for like 20 minutes then you feel like shit and you want more. You get addicted to it, burn through all of your savings, and now you are blowing people on the street for crack rocks. That is Communism in a nutshell. So if by pros you mean you have a tiny moment of euphoria before a horrible grotesque world is imposed upon you then, sure it has pros.
5353  Other / Politics & Society / Re: De-monetization of basic life requirements and beyond. on: March 07, 2019, 02:21:58 PM
People destroy the land they own for the same reason they do anything in a capitalist system.  

People like me do not see intelligence as virtue.  That position correlates with conservatism. Signaling intelligence would be of no benefit to someone with my worldview.  For someone like me, none of this is personal, and at end of the day, is all about he greater good.   I am in fact, doing the opposite of being a "know it all".  I am here to show I am ignorant to how this demographic views the world and how you hold on to your opinions despite what I, and the overwhelming majority of people I interact with view as undeniable facts.   I want to learn how you guys think and unpack all of the stereotypes elites in academia hold against you. I'm simply here to learn through discussion.

For example, tecshare thinks all of psychology is illegitimate and I have no idea how someone could arrive at that line of thinking and so far, despite a ton of interactions with him, I lack the social intelligence to understand his thought processes. Most of the people I deal with on a daily would immediately dismiss anyone who denies science as not worth having a discussion with.  Coming on the internet is the rare time I get to interact with people who think the earth is flat, vaccines cause autism, and climate change isn't real.  I know they exist around me but they wouldn't dare admit it in the world of academia.

You know what really destroys lands? Communism. Take a walk around China and tell me what you see. In a place where the government runs everything, commonly owned wealth such as land is stripped of any value and abused maximally because that is literally one of the only opportunities they have to make their lives better. They see it and they take it. They waste it and abuse it because it is not their personal responsibility to maintain it. Much like a rental car you have it for a short time and people are free to beat on it and abuse it until it is returned. This is a well known pattern often referred to "the tragedy of the commons".

"People like me do not see intelligence as virtue."

We kind of figured that as much Captain Postmodern. It is just sad that you think logic and intelligence are only for conservatives, but who am I to argue. I never once said "All of psychology is illegitimate.", I said social sciences are BARELY within the realm of science, and Critical Theory is illegitimate being the lowest tier of this lowest form of "science", not actually being science at all but political ideology with a thin superficial veneer of science.

Academia can go fuck itself, they have shown themselves repeatedly to be infested with the enemies of the people and this nation. They will be lucky to be free and breathing in another 10 years once people realize what they have been doing to their children. No one would dare make any of those admissions in academia because they would instantly lose their careers and be blacklisted by the new brown shirts that call themselves academia. You live in an echo chamber. You poo poo at intelligence then proceed to claim to be on the side of science. You claim to want the betterment of the common good but you promote totalitarian policies. If a word challenges your world view, you invent a new definition for it. You don't need debate, you need a therapist.
5354  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Antivaccination propaganda here and there. on: March 07, 2019, 02:02:16 PM
I now know that I will find all naturalnews sources invalid. I don't blame people for misinterpreting, but knowingly misleading people is inexcusable.

Yeah, after all why would a doctor who runs his own lab know anything about medicine right? The mainstream media are reliable and trustworthy, and anyone who doesn't repeat what they say is misleading. The answer is right in your quote but you want it to not be true. Indistinguishable is a very choice word.
5355  Other / Politics & Society / Re: De-monetization of basic life requirements and beyond. on: March 07, 2019, 04:52:27 AM

Urban growth boundaries are imaginary boundaries meant to stop development but not stop people from moving through the planet.  They actually do the opposite.  Everyone and no one owns the rural land and anyone can walk wherever they please but cannot change the land.  The lack of such boundary allows people to "buy" the land and change it, hoard it, or destroy it completely. 

Why would anyone 'destroy completely' land which they own?  I don't destroy the rural land I own, and nobody else I know does either.  It makes no sense.

On the other hand, people use my land sometimes to access the river.  They overturn the rocks in the river looking for crayfish and leave trash all over the place.  I finally had enough of it and put up no-trespassing signs.  Since then the problems went away.

I do allow fishermen to access the river through my property.  Once in a while a fisherman will leave some trash, but the next fisherman will usually pick it up.



Completely unrelated to this entire thread, but #WallsWork?

Tvbcof, I'd ignore coins4commies if you want to try to keep some of your brain cells. There's no way that this person isn't just spewing shit that they know little to nothing about in an attempt to get people to think that he's intelligence -- though it's not working in the least.



Even better. Every word he speaks is a brick in his own ideological tomb. Some times it is not about convincing your debate partner but rather every one else reading.
5356  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MMT: The US government does NOT have to add taxes to add spending on: March 07, 2019, 03:19:12 AM
No one ever said nor implied the government could "print money forever".  That is why you need to learn MMT.  You just made it clear that you have a fundamental lack of understanding of what it implies.  No it did not exist in 1913.  We didn't even have fiat until 1971.  Please watch that video at the very least because MMT is probably part of the economics you have forgotten.

Explain to me what about the words inflation and money printing do not describe MMT. We have had fractional reserve fiat since 1913. The ability to claim gold and silver was only phased out completely in 1971 making it 100% fiat.
5357  Other / Politics & Society / Re: 2020 Democrats on: March 07, 2019, 02:42:57 AM
Andrew Yang is interesting on many levels, his Joe Rogan interview was my introduction to him and he has done quite a few more podcast type of interviews since then.
UBI isn't going to be relatable unfortunately calling it a "freedom dividend" will.

Implementing a time valued crypto currency for exchanging volunteer work is something that hooked me in relation to the non-profit I'm working on---not sure I want as part of our government.

His interview on The Coin Chat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qo0_6zOPSOs

UBI is just re-branded Communism. It will create a feedback loop of dependence and voting for more handouts until production is completely destroyed, then the totalitarian elements erupt like puss from a big commie boil.
you state this against all evidence but ok. stick to your previously held misconceptions. 

https://economics.mit.edu/files/12488

What evidence? Your shitty meta-study about welfare which doesn't once mention universal basic income within it? This is totally irrelevant as these programs are not equivalent to UBI. Furthermore they are small subsets within a market economy that would be no where near reflective of the true results of a national or global scale UBI system. In summary "all evidence" is no evidence.
5358  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Capitalism vs. Socialism - Make your argument here. on: March 07, 2019, 02:33:33 AM
There isn't a debate being had.  No one supports socialism as the capitalists are defining it but people in this thread continue to argue against that straw man.   No one supports a system where people have no freedom.  Advocates of socialism and capitialism both want a system with more freedom. 

So is your argument that all the other times Socialism and Communism failed they all sat around and said "Hey you know what would be great, if we had a Communist totalitarian dictatorship!". No. They all thought they were making an improvement just like you, and they all lacked basic understanding of economics and human nature that tell them this system ALWAYS leads to this result. What you want is irrelevant. The outcomes of your attempts to attain your goals are relevant, and history has filled entire libraries with the documentation of the failures of your ideology.
5359  Other / Politics & Society / Re: MMT: The US government does NOT have to add taxes to add spending on: March 07, 2019, 02:25:23 AM
^Learn MMT
https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/03/01/stephanie-kelton-explains-modern-monetary-theory.html

I'm glad MSM is starting to give MMT some exposure.  Most people understand "basic economics" which actually makes them misunderstand the economics of a government with sovereign debt.  Venezuela's debt was not sovereign and was owed in currencies they do not control.  Venezuela does not apply.

There is nothing to learn. "MMT" is just a re-branding of the same broken system we have been using since 1913. Suggesting we keep doing the thing which is already breaking the economy is showing down right mongoloid levels of comprehension of economics. The government can print money forever, but it can not maintain a usable fiat note or functional economy while doing so perpetually. Eventually supply and demand become more powerful than your idiotic top down centralized control command economy as hyperinflation takes hold.
5360  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Bernie or Bust 2020 on: March 07, 2019, 02:20:42 AM
the poll is bullshit because they didn't define "socialist".   Wouldn't expect better from MSNBC Its a good thing that bullshit poll doesn't work anything like the way people get to know candidates in an election.  Look at this
http://origin.lcv.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Five-Early-State-Climate-Survey.pdf

They didn't have to define "Socialist", because Socialism has a firm definition for anyone... except for Socialists who define it as anything great that has nothing to do with actual Socialism.
Its ok because you think all of the things socialists want are captialism so you might as well call us capitalists but you'd rather have an endless dance around semantics than get anywhere productive.  You have no concept of a mixed economy and only deal in absolutes.

Nice false equivalency and projection combo. You have a lot of nerve talking about semantics Captain Postmodern. I have forgotten more about economics than you will ever know.
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