replicates faster in the lungs.. not spreads to 70x more people!!!!
also not 70x more virus..
as there are only so many cells in the lungs. and only so much damage that can be done.

read the link you referenced
it replicates in the cell 70 more virus per cycle, but each cycle is 10x longer

EG if delta was a 2x per hour
2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048 in 10 hours
omicron is 140(x2x70) in 10 hours
2                                                140   in 10 hours

as you can see at the 10th hour there is less virus in a omicron infected lung
which is why its less damaging to people.

more virus per cycle, but slower cycle. .. its math. try it

the reason for the "spread" is more about people not isolating when infected because they are not getting symptoms to realise they need to isolate

meaning.
if someone with delta is not going to get symptoms for say 3-5 days, he may hang around with a couple people a day for the days(day 4 and 5) where there is incubation enough to exhale enough virus to cross-transfer before symptoms start.
where as the omicron people wont get symptoms for a longer period. so they may not get symptoms for 10 days. but be at the cross-transfer risk for days 8,9,10 meaning 3 days of risk to other without realising it instead of 2

thus instead of infecting 3-4 under delta.. its risking infecting 3-6 under omicron(depending on social distance compliance)

this is why you are not seeing covid positive cases increase by 70x .. because its not spreading at 70x.
UK had 100 daily cases of omicron 5 weeks ago
if your 70x spread number had any merit.  it would be
100   7,000   490,000   34,300,000   2,401,000,000   168,070,000,000

sorry but its more like
100   360      1,296         4,666            16,796            60,466

because the stats are saying that this week the daily numbers are that ~60% of the 100k cases are omicron (~60k)
yep 60k after 5 weeks not millions or billions like you wish YOUR math has assumed

because the altnet LN does not confirm transactions(THEY ARE UNRELAYED/OFFCHAIN). its the same risk as accepting a zero confirm transaction on bitcoin.. so why wait if all you are selling is coffee.

if you acept a zero-confirm risk when using LN you might as well do the same on bitcoin.

infact. if your co-partner to a hub owned by a coffee shop, whereby your just trading balance in the offchain contract. you might aswell buy a large giftcard of a coffee shop using bitcoin and then trade the giftcard balance with the retailer. its the same thing in the end.

many people including LN devs have lost value when using LN. so its not 'just noob/operator error'. its actual flaws in how LN functions.

LN has many payment fail issues. many loss of funds issues. many ways a co-partner can screw over each other. LN does not have the same elegance as bitcoin.

i personally if i want coffee would just buy a starbucks giftcard for say a months worth of coffee value using bitcoin.
thus not have the hassle worry or concern of altnet problems of liquidity stopping payment successes, or having bad expensive routes or having to have several 'pots' of funds locked up with different people just to try and get a better success rate of a payment.

people want a payment system that is a no fuss straight forward system that works every time. thats why bitcoin is so elegant and beautiful in its invention. these other non-blockchain offerings have more flaws and issues and require more effort than simpler methods.

its funny how LN supporters think people to lock up 5 'accounts' just to make a payment. its funny how LN supporters want to blame users if payments fail rather then admit the flaws in LN's design.

the issue i have is bitcoin devs are trying more and more to restrict what bitcoin can do and trying to push people away from using bitcoin, by means of pretending bitcoin has problems and these other networks dont. when in actual fact bitcoin doesnt have problems technically. but has been purposefully restricted in its expansion to cause issues just to advertise other networks as solutions.

but hey. if people were atleast honest to admit the flaws instead of saying 'if you just want to buy small things like coffee just use LN', where by making it sound like its the same/just as easy as using bitcoin. also without actually highlighting the issues that need addressing to guarantee 100% payment every time. then that is not an honest depiction of a solution to bitcoin.

especially when the "solution to bitcoin" is a work around to a problem only caused by devs personally refusing to allow bitcoin expansion on the bitcoin network. (thus not a real problem bitcoin cant solve. but a purposefully created restriction on bitcoin to cause problems), done to advertise other networks as a thing people should use instead of bitcoin.

using doomads ice/steam analogy. he does not want bitcoin to be a steam engine. he wants bitcoin to be an ice hoarding cargo ship. where it keeps h2o locked up as ice and not used for months for any purpose. where people dont need to audit the ship for months.. and then transported to another vessel to be melted into steam to then use on steam engines. requiring middle men to co-manage the evaporation and freezing process at port entry and exits.

i personally prefer the 2009-2016 utility of steam powered boats(bitcoin). where they store the ice and allow it to be broken down and melted into small vapour molecules by the owner of the ice alone, his full control.. on the same ship where every litre/gallon is accounted for. where it doesnt need different vessels or middle men or having to have several ships per pair of users to ensure delivery of steam. via passing steam through several boats along a stream hoping none is lost on the way or hoping there are available boats in the stream to allow passage. where you cannot 100% guarantee delivery is confirmed and settled for weeks/months

LN's payment method is not the same as bitcoins payment method. in LN even if you think a 'payment' is successful, the co-partner can still screw you over with how the final settlement is done. so its no better then just accepting a zero-confirm on the bitcoin network. atleast you only have to wait for like 10 minutes on bitcoin, and not left waiting days-months hoping the co partner doesnt screw you over while you wait out the lock for a settlement.

many people have totally forgot or purposefully ignored the benefit of why bitcoin was invented.

just remember. if its not a confirmed transaction on the blockchain. its not yet your funds. LN payments are just as much at risk as zero confirm bitcoin transactions. LN payments wont even get a chance to confirm within 10mins-hour. as they are usually locked for weeks/months, before getting a chance to unlock and confirm. plus ofcourse the co-signer can mess with the potential settlement contract which adds more risks to confirm chances.

but hey people will still say LN is "bitcoins solution" without explaining the issues

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P2PKH P2SH benefit features on the bitcoin network.
P2WPKH P2TR benefit gateway transactions /locks which other networks want as their 'pegs'

using real logic. if LN was bitcoin layer 2, something worthy of being called a bitcoin feature.
it would be something only bitcoin can have and use. something unique to bitcoin.

also LN would be the code that would change to fit bitcoin.. where LN would have to fit bitcoin because its part of bitcoin.
but thats not the case.

LN is its own network for multi crypto. its not a bitcoin layer two (hinting that its unique/solely part of bitcoin, for only the benefit of bitcoin)

EG
visacard is not 'dollar' .. visa is a multi currency payment system
visacard is not 'L2Dollar'.. visa is completely different then the dollar payment network.

yes you can settle your visa balance at an ATM by requesting and getting authorisation of a 'cash advance' but thats more about the ATM and the bank authorisation, not a simple "plastic card is a bank note" misrepresentation

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yawn...

the thing is its YOU that says that LN IS bitcoin. sorry but bitcoin does not accept millisats. plain and simple.

if we go with your steam/water analogy. you think that a steam engine works on ICE. nope steam works on vapour not solid. there is a difference. to work in a steam engine for fast transport. the ICE needs to be converted from solid to vapour.

if you want to pretend that what goes in, through and out of a steam engine is ICE. then you are deluded.

as for your other insults of calling me a sociopath. you are just showing your anger and frustration that i am highlighting the flaws you dont wish to be popularised. and dont worry i get it i understand it. you love to hype up your other network. and you like to steal the fame of the bitcoin network to try off-ramping people to other networks by suggesting that other networks are bitcoin.

yes in some places you may hint that there are different levels of security. but others you keep saying that it IS bitcoin. which people take as to mean its the same security.

much like this topic. your not calling it a multi-crypto network for offchain payments of different coins. instead you say its bitcoin layer 2. again suggesting that it has everything that bitcoin does and is made for bitcoin and unique feature of only bitcoin.

i have a hoard since 2012 meaning my gains from ~$6/coin are like 10,000x.
what you learn is hoarders that actually hold long term dont get excited about daily prices. they stop checking after a while as they have no intension to sell any time soon so they dont care about the immediate price.

im in profit no matter what happens to the price. so the excitement of daily/monthly prices is not there anymore.

its like pension pots. people dont check the balance of their pension holdings daily. weekly.

its the short term investors hoping and praying to get out soon that get emotional, always talking about how they want the price to double within a few weeks or months.

when you spot people shouting out how they want to see the price attain XXX by spring 2022 what they are actually saying is "i hope to exit and escape bitcoin in spring 2022 and to get back to fiat holding lots of profit"

they are not interested in hoarding or holding. they just want quick profits. they care more about getting FIAT to then be rich in FIAT.

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when i know the price has attained say $65k+ before. and the current price is $30k-$50k. im not thinking i hope it gets above $65k again. instead i KNOW eventually it will attain more then $65k again. so for now i just see the $30k-$50k as good investment discount time to buy more while its below a future value. so i can add more for my future retirement hoard knowing it will reap its rewards by the time i decide its time to retire(not any time soon)

not a good financial system if it needs donations.
usually a financial system self rewards developers. using its own currency. without needing alternate currency to fund development.

if you need alternate currency.. you already failed proving your financial system works.

2000 years ago there were many civil wars. italy pretty much created the romans to fight against the many religions in neighbouring lands(egypt, africa, europe, middle east). the emperors and their scholars(later named priests and bishops) began making new laws. that lawbook became 'christian bible' by telling a different camp fire story about how the middle easts laws should be taught in story form at camp fires.

before christianity. rome was a republic, with a senate and a leader..  and even they had laws about what people should wear, though most of the laws were word of mouth not written scripture.
but when finally written down, even in christianity. they had female dress code too


christianity had 2 factions. the 'god fearing' and the 'peaceful god' groups. the god fearing were the extremists that would punish shave womens hair if they didnt cover it. it took hundreds of years to calm those extremists. many civil wars. and lots of fighting.

so christianity has had its extremists too. even today in modern times there are still sexist idiots using the bible to popularise that men are better then woman, thinking a christian womans place is in the kitchen

we all truly equal?.. is a grammar paradox

..we are all unique, just like everyone else..


we all truly equal?.. is a grammar paradox

..we are all unique, just like everyone else..


lets take amazon servers. if they were all networked together in one warehouse, in only america. and only connected to one ISP. where that ISP was servant to US government regulations.. then that would be centralised.

blockchains work, as-is. by not being in one country, under 1 ISP, under one government.

blockchains do not work within just one central point. thats the point of blockchains. the issues/paranoia you have on the subject is actually fixed and a non-issue from the very beginning. its the whole point of blockchains existence and creation

people that bought at say $50k-$65k want 2 things.

1. to get the price up (more bull) to $100k-$130k so they can profit and exit
2. to get the price down (a bear) to $25k-$32k so they can buy more at 50% discount than initial purchase

you might want to check on your assumptions.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5369431.msg58357392#msg58357392
rath is a dev for the altnet known as LN. even he has 70% fail rate in 2021.
(success:fail  143:389)
oh and his payment fails. were all of amounts under 9000000000millisat (rounded/converted under 0.09btc)

yes its an altnet. its a different network. its literally highlighted in the name. N part of LN. the handshaking and communication format agreement of messages between LN peers is different then the handshake connection of bitcoin full nodes.

its not a network "built ontop of bitcoin" .. its a separate network build separetly. that only connects to blockchains if the blockchain has had a fork or txformat upgrade to be able to lock coins in a special way to fit LN.

bitcoin had to change to fit LN's settlements(filtered/rounded close session contracts) . LN was not built to be 100% bitcoin else bitcoin would not need to have been changed to be 'compatible' because in a bitcoin centric altnet, everything in the altnet wouold meet bitcoins standard format.
the funnier thing as already highlighted but worth emphasising yet again is LN doesnt have a consensus mechanism so extremely easy to have designed LN to be 100% compatible without editing bitcoin to fit. but because LN is a separate thing doing its own methods and protocols, it decided it does not want to be bitcoin centric.. LN is its own network that wants to be something else. hense why bitcoin had to change to fit rather than the altnet being fully bitcoin centric in all of its formats

if people were honest about why its not bitcoin, then other people could spin that as the advantages of why to use it instead of bitcoin. after all if its just suggested that LN is bitcoin. then there is no difference, thus no need to use it.
so explaining the differences can be made into a positive, for those wanting to advertise altnernate networks

as for others using the swimming pool/hose analogy. the filter connecting the 2 separate vessels of separate fluid is a filter separate smart contract that converts piss to water. (rounds up/down millisats to sats)

the LN 'payments' (invoice and secret reveal)(aka hose) is a separate contract than the settlement contract(sat denominated bitcoin format)filter

the hose is not part of the pool that only works for that pool. it needs the specific filter for a bitcoin pool and uses a different filter for other pools.

inside the hose is invoice payments and htlc secrets that open up milisat payments(piss not water).
the hose of piss, is not bitcoin.

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as for Doomad wanting me to die by fire.. a bit harsh, why so emotional..
.. oh, because he is mad that he has not realised that LN does not have the same security as bitcoin. nor the features of bitcoin.. doesnt make payments in the same units as bitcoin, he has not realised the differences. he has failed to understand they are separate networks that do different things. offering different features. even when the name of the altnet literally says it in its name..
.. he may also be mad that its someone that doesnt like other networks, doesnt want to use other networks, that has highlighting the differences and even suggesting that these differences could, if honest about them be used as positive PR spin for why people could use another networks.. but instead Doomad wants to stick with lies and deception to pretend it is bitcoin and fool people  into thinking its just as secure and safe and guaranteed as bitcoin.. hiding the flaws, fooling other people just to get them to stop using bitcoin by his deceptions. rather then acquiring new users with fair honest advice about risks and limitations of using other networks whilst explaining what other networks can do.

more people would be happy to use another network when getting honest advice about the risk/advantage and they weighed up the pro's and cons and decided they thought its acceptable under honest advice about what they are getting themselves into.. rather than being deceived into using an altnet and finding out the flaws the hard way.
you dont built up a loyal fan base via deception.

.. oh and bitcoin does not accept millisats.
. maybe he should take more time reading code and not playing with being an angry arsonist that wants to offramp bitcoin users to other networks because he doesnt believe bitcoin should be used by everyone.

i know Doomad is not a dev and so doesnt understand anything beneath the GUI. but he does try too hard to make LN sound like its bitcoin, when it has no consensus mechanism, no blockchain to audit the LN network of 'instant payments' no PoW security of the "instant payments" where all instant payments need co-signers and need the other people to be online.

totally not what bitcoin is about

get out of SCI-FI
there is no forcefield bubble shield in pill form. nor will there be.

the only way to stop getting infected is to not breathe the same unfiltered air as someone who is infected. which is to socially distance and wear a mask.

vaccines, being infected by the non first time(immunity building).. and medication is to reduce the harm when infected.

funny part is maxwell is pleading ignorance to the prince andrew thing.
but a photo has HER with prince andrew and the 17yo where she took the girl from america to the UK.

it wasnt a pic of epstein, P.andrew and the girl. so its not like it was epstein introducing P.andrew to the girl

then alpha's 50k a day would be omicrom 7million cases a day..

i laugh if you think those numbers compute in your brain.
sorry but 1 person infecting 504 people...(3.6x140)... (facepalm)

do you really think that 1 person even hangs around with 504people within 2 metres for half an hour each in a 3 day period.
there are not even enough hours in a day for someone to socialise that much.

just try it. sit next to someone shoulder to shoulder and breath on them. for 30 minutes. then repeat 504 times. and see how many people you can get through in 3 days.

yes technically if you dont sleep and you have a conveyor belt of people lined up to speed date style do this game you can reach 140. maybe if you had 3-4 people sitting around you in a close circle per 30minute round. you might achieve 504
 but reality is most people only actually speak to and converse for 30 minutes with, about 5-10 people every few days

covid does not really infect people you just walk by for 2 seconds. (pre-empting the obvious naive rebuttal)

its not 140x/70x.. its 140%70%.

alpha was for every infectee it would spread ~3.6 other people(between 3 or 4). .. omicron is not infecting 420 people per infectee
its infecting 5 people.

part of the reason why it appears as if omicron is infecting 6-8 people(double alpha) as oppose to 5 is more to do with the social differences between 2020 and 2021.. march-april 2020 onwards had lockdowns. that cut down the number of infectees per day. and distanced people apart more to avoid numbers being more the 3-4 per transmission.. in 2021 there is more relaxed movement of people and less social distancing happening. which is why statistically its more like 6-8. but frmo a virulent strength it is more like a 5. . so the relaxed social dynamic of being nearer to people in 2021 skews the numbers to appear as omicron is even more spreadable. when the real reason is more people are standing closer to pass it around


yes in alpha the most cases per day in the UK was ~ 50k a day (350k a week)which is about 0.5% a week. meaning to get everyone to have had covid and it become 'common' would take 200weeks, or 4 years. best case if the peak number was the average. but its not. so the numbers were more like 10years

omicron is getting about 100k cases a day or 700k a week right now. so 1% a week. meaning it can go through the whole population in 2 years. again best case if the peak number was an average. but its not. so expect longer

so to all those thinking that covid has already infected everyone and become common due to alpha.. sorry but the numbers show that not everyone has had it yet. to all those that think omicron will make covid 'common' in just a couple months and everything will be normal by spring.. sorry but covid as a risk to peoples health due to still being 'novel' is something people need to plan on for a few more years

as for the severity..
although omicron is less severe. because the case numbers are double, even a less sever strain can result in same hospital numbers as the more sever strain.

EG if alpha was 6% hospitalisation. and lets say omicron was 3% hospitalisation.
if 50k infected by alpha and 100k infected by omicron
there would be 3k hospital beds due to alpha in 2020 and 3k hospital beds due to omicron in 2021

meaning hospitals would fill up just as fast due to twice as many people getting infected.


oh and one last thing.
'sniffles' is only a symptom if you have already gained immunity before hand and your body is able to recognise and handle and attack the virus due to it being common.

for those never having covid yet or a vaccine. when you get covid. you will not get the 'sniffles' as its new to your system and your body doesnt know how to react. so your first defense at the entryway(nose) is not activated yet to fight. so dont expect sniffles. expect a heavy dry cough.. sniffles come later once everyone has had a few battles with the virus or been vaxxed to activate the immune system ready for battle.

sniffles is not yet a common symptom because covid is not common. so dont even try to pretend peoples first covid infection will be 'sniffles'

the way the big guys do it. they break the area into regions and have a representative for each region that control the region.. the question then becomes. does this representative represent the communities wishes. or the leaders wishes.

the corruption is when the representatives represent the leader not the populous, to over control the community to the point of corruption. or when the representatives represent the populous too lax that they look away from law breaking and despirado's

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so its not a matter of how big a community is. but about its representation/leader.. is the representation too controlling or too lax

if your married for more then 7 years, its the day your wife actually wants to make love to you.
if your married under 7 years, its xxxmas many times a week
if your single. your probably just watching porn

exchanges have most custody of PoS coins. no need to buy/pre-mine them. just offer a custody service for free and get free coin deposited to you.

you dont need to work to get social security. so in your mind, a life on social security is a better life then working for a living?

PoW is not a weapon of environmentalists.
the big farms have since 2014 been using renewables.
its actually a weapon of the small minded racists.

ill explain briefly
alot of media portrays china as evil enemies of the west. saying that china wastes fossil fuel and produces more emissions..

but here is some stats.
american population 320mill - emissions 5gtonne
chinese population 1400mill - emissions 10gtonne

do the math. gtonne / 100m population
america: 1.56gtonne
china: 0.71gtonne

china produce under HALF as much emissions per populous

next lets look at the Gwatts produced by country
      Total(GWh)    Total RE(GWh)    RE % of total    
USA:  4,322,038       637,076       14.7%
china: 7,142,200       1,739,400    24.35%    

translate to 100m populous
      Total(GWh)    Total RE(GWh)    RE % of total    
USA:  1,350,636       199,086       14.7%
china: 510,157          124,242    24.35%    

and again china use less electricity in general per populous but more of it is renewable.
and this is even with china being the mega manufacturer of most electronic goods for the world.
think about all them factories. and industry. yet america wastes more electric and more of that electric is not renewable

so when media exaggerate that china is killing the planet. china is producing too much carbon, china is not using renewable.. thats MEDIA. not reality

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when there are two people.. one using 13 non efficient lightbulbs in his house. and another guy using just 5 efficient lightbulbs. and its the 13bulb guy trying to tell the 5 bulb guy that the 5 bulb guy need to use less lights... sorry but thats not logic. and its definitely not a "environmental" argument. its just a way to be racist to the 5 bulb guy to try getting him to play to the whims of the 13 bulb guys naive ignorant mindset.

much like the 13 bulb guy wants to pay for his electricity using his social security cheque because he does not believe in working for his earnings, whilst the 5 bulb guys works for a living

X is also a cross.. hmm.. and what shape was the thing that jesus was pinned to...... ooo yea a cross

so yea even a cross is actually 'on theme' for the season of celebration

LN plays with millisats.. not btc
when your pissing in the hose. you have to realise there is a filter at the ends of the hose to stop the piss getting into the pool.
piss and pool water dont mix.
the filters being the 'settlement contracts' . the piss being the millisat payment. the pool water being the LOCKED btc.
(millsat contracts dont enter the bitcoin network!!)

the pool is a different shape/store of water then what a hose is/uses. they hold the data differently and move the fluid differently.

the hose is not created to only fit the btc pool. its not a btc hose. its just a universal hose thats not made specifically for the btc pool.

infact the hose manufacturer has forced the btc pool to design a filter(tx format) to fit the universal hose.
this does not then make it a btc hose. its still a universal hose, with a filter
the universal hose has many filters for different pools.

but hey if you want to pretend that a hose is a pool and people can swim in a hose as free as they can a pool.. you keep playing that delusion.. there is a liquidity and flow rate issue with the hose that does not offer the same flow as a pool

but yea if you cant tell the difference between a pool and a hose. then anything IT related must be extremely hard for you to understand

infact. the hose is not a single hose allowing 1-to-1 transfer of piss from one end to another. its actually a spiders web of thousands of hoses. where each connector needs to accept a certain amount of piss to pass through it. where some connectors have limits on how much piss can pass.. where your piss can get blocked if you try sending too much in one go.

bitcoins pool does not have connectors that resist the waves of water molecules. it just flows around. there is no "your water molecule is more then my connector can handle so i wont let you passed". nodes dont stop transactions based on having too large a value. thats why bitcoin works. if someone has $1billion in btc, he can send it and nodes wont stop it due to them not having $1billion to pass the parcel along.
bitcoin does not have this value pass the parcel flaw

i dare anyone to try today to lock up 100btc and make a LN payment to a destination(not their co-channel partner). see how well LN works. or more precisely doesnt work.

a solution to a payment system is not a system that has for example 90% fail rate of pizza amounts in 2018. and 70% fail rates of under 0.09btc in2021.

in bitcoin. i can send $10 amount or $1billion+ and know its going to get confirmed. no ifs or buts or maybe or praying that there are people around to accept/pass the parcel.

yes you have just said what i said about mutually agreed communication. but failed to realise that each country has more then one ISP. and each ISP has its own policies.

EG a russian ISP has different policies than a US ISP
russian government cant tell a russian ISP to "take down" a US ISP or the US government access to the internet. if they could, they would.

what you have to realise with each IP access/webpage visit, there is a handshake protocol. where parties agree on the communication method. yes in most cases they all agree on the same language format of data, but thats not centralisation. thats communication. consent/agreement at each interaction.

being centralised is a single point of control/failure. where everything has to go through one single point. and one entity has full control or can collapse it all. but thats not how the internet works

i know you are trying to imagine the internet as a polygomists house. where all the women in the house is married together with one man and where the man of the house then 'owns' all his wives to do as he pleases by his naive thought that being married means control.

but thats not how marriage works.
just because they speak the same language and have a mutual agreement. does not mean the man can rape his wife anytime he wants. he needs their consent with each interaction/event. women have a mind of their own, their own independance and their own choice to just say no. or more often "not tonight i have a headache".

just because there is a russian polygomist in one house on a street does not mean he controls the whole street of woman. yes he can TRY to lock his wives up to not be able to talk to neighbours. but he cant lock all the houses up to stop other families from talking to each other. and sooner or later even his own wives will find a way to get out and talk to the neighbours.

yes russia can get its russian ISP to shut down. but this only affects russian customers. not the internet. russian customers can then just use satalite or cellular to access other international internet access servers.

when you learn about handshaking and data formats and protocols you start to see the internet is about consent, not control.

no government can just say 'tomorrow the internet shall only speak in digital russian'.. all countries, all isps and all servers have to agree to a protocol for it to then happen. and that does not happen very easily if at all. russia cannot just change/stop the internet.