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8301  Other / Meta / Re: P&S moderator? on: June 05, 2021, 06:52:50 AM
can we all make a vote here.
no conspiracy nonsense should be an added rule of the P&S pined post
that way it makes life easier to challenge certain low IQ trolls in their silly PR campaigns.
it might even make them take a few seconds before posting to up their IQ a few levels before posting

i dont mean the anti-political mindset. i mean the obvious looney bin conspiracy nonsense that doesnt even have any logic in a conversation
8302  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Taproot proposal on: June 05, 2021, 02:39:13 AM
for the point about pools.
il use one example.
slushpool has 3 servers for btc. and another 3 for zcash
thats 6 different instances separated by physical space so no butting heads.
they may seem like its a single pc becasue of brandname "slushpool" not being plural.
but i guarantee you they have separate machines

talking about solo mining is 2012 era stuff
as for saying mining is 2 parts being the asic and the pc connected to a bitcoind or a pool.. thats 2013 era stuff

solomining aint a thing anymore and asics these days dont connect via a PC they just have a network cable direct to a router.

seems your knitpicking for knitpicks sake.
shame its based on 8+year old scenarios

as for the bit about 'why would pools not pre-broadcast their private tx before block..
i said most pools do broadcast.. but alas nothing is forcing them.
thus its an exploit that could be used.
previously.. much much more recently than 8+ years ago i have seen pools do just that.
and yes the amount of times nodes have had to request tx's because they are not in their mempools has been a factor in the confirmation process.
it is good practice to broadcast tx's before block has propagated. but its a known thing that it is not a 100% case that good practices are followed


anyway..
all my points in this post and posts prior of this topic are just to show that while some are worried about chainsplits/orphans and even spv issues to the network(facepalm) solomining issues(double facepam) if/when taproot activates. those risks are not even 1% risk.. not even 0.1 nor 0.01% risk. so relax
8303  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Taproot proposal on: June 04, 2021, 05:58:06 PM
we both know the network layout

its in tiers like:
pools
Fibre network/ merchants
user fullnodes/lite wallet servers/aws servers
spv wallets/phone apps

no top line fullnode in the first 3 categories/tiers will waste one of its peer slots on a small SPV user
they want to be well connected to secure nodes with static IP and have full blockchains.

so by the time blocks have propagated hop by hop down the layers of nodes and reached an SPV. most of the duff blocks have already been rejected by the nodes up the layers and so spv wallets wont even get to see them

spv wallets are for the bottom tier of the network that come and go off/online sporadically even more so than user fullnodes.

its like torrents(analogy)
pools are the seeders.. spv are the leachers
pools wont want leachers attached to them direct.
heck even merchants dont want leachers

SPV leachers rely on the many tiers to have been the buffer of removing unwanted junk.
much like torrent leachers wait until there are many seeds before downloading because they want their seeders before them to have weeded out the files that contain trojans/viruses.

again there would be a risk if a spv was direct peer to a intentional malicious pool. but the way the network has self regulated and chosen its peers with white listing and ban hammers over time.
a SPV wont be found connected to a pool direct. and a merchant wont then be connected to a spv(as spv dont retain block data to pass along)

so there is no pool->spv wallet->merchant scenario
a merchant will never leach from a spv for obvious reasons.
8304  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why revolutions and movements fail at their desired outcome on: June 04, 2021, 05:48:38 PM
Your original post was about getting change locally by paper aggrement but such kind of change isn't given on paper but struggle. All society that have been divided didn't do that solely without struggle. At most the struggle can lead into aggrement but to relax and wait for paper agreement, change won't be achieved.

local placards and peaceful protest are the 'relax and wait for' strategy
because placards and peaceful protests are not actually binding politicians to any agreement.

no signature no pledge no commitments occur due to placards/peaceful protests.

but actually being smarter and more organised(strategic plan) work better then organised(membership of community coffee morning group)
8305  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will energy consumption be Bitcoins downfall ? on: June 04, 2021, 08:25:21 AM
Mining is just incredibly inefficient. That's a simple fact. Every other industry makes use of its exhaust heat. Miner create millions of watt of exhaust heat unused. That's pretty ridiculous in my opinion if you have a technology these days that is viewed as cutting edge.  

exhaust is like 1%

if it was efficient to use heat to create electric from the heat of that same electric device.
then that would be perpetual energy..
however you wont be able to power a kettle perpetually with its own steam.
and thats even when 100% energy is going towards heat production

so when a kettle can use 3.25kw to boil water to 100o
but an asic that uses 3.25kw to mine only emits a 1o of heat
it would require over 100 asics to boil a kettle.

i hope you start to see your error in assumption.. if not continue reading
and then the loss of energy in the steam->turbine->electric wire transfer means it would require even more then 100 asics just to power 1 asic

thus the under 1% 'inefficiency' by not using its own heat..

as for millions of watts. aka 1MW.
well asics if all combined in one area is about say 4gwh spent electric(38tw/y). so if all that heat emission was to be re-utilised would create ~20mwh

in short. 1.3mill asics heat emission. if utilised. would only power about 6k asics
0.46%
(i even ignored many factors of conversion to try giving you a over assumed number in your favour. real number is much lower)
8306  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 12 Years of Bitcoin Development in 1 Minute on: June 04, 2021, 07:51:12 AM
its a visualisation of every developers edit of the code. where code files are represented by each leg(circle).. and each movement/spin  is an edit to the file
its just a visual way of showing how the code has expanded and changed in a pretty display format
8307  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Taproot proposal on: June 04, 2021, 07:38:20 AM
just to clarify many above posts

pools= servers that collate the transactions and make blocktemplates and thus the hash to give asics
miners=asics that never see a tx. they only see a hash(+nonce range +difficulty) and send back a new hashsolution meeting a difficulty threshold.

pools arnt miners. miners arnt pools
pools which manage multiple coin use different servers per coin. thus upgrades of one coin dont affect/delay other coin upgrades. (different men in different office.. not banging heads together)

miners(asics) dont send every attempt back to a pool. an asic is provided with hash, nonce range and difficulty target. if they run out of nonce range allocated to them. they just request another nonce range
they wont send a hash back unless it meets the threshold

..
anyways
(although most tx are prevalidated during tx relay prior. some blocks include new tx not pre relayed thus requiring nodes to request the tx during the block checks.. its actually this tx request delay that extends block validation delay alot of the time(exploitable))

when a blockX is propagated headers first.
the <2min timespan of propagation, analysis difficulty of solved hash, see tx list, see which tx are missing. fetch missing tx, valid fetched tx.. sha the block, make sure it matches the hashs announced earlier.confirm a block.
(i dumbed down the entire process. dont knitpick)

pools have 3 options during this <2min window from header first to confirm/reject result of blockX:
1.([ethically] start a empty block)
   it takes miliseconds to add previous hash, sha template, send hash to asics with nonce range and diff
   hoping that theeir workers can get a block solve in 2minutes or less while pool validates blockX.
   once blockX has been analysed.
   a. if faulty.
       i. return back to their own blockX at last nonce range and finish off their own blockX hash race
       ii. start new blockX from 0nonce again
       iii. if another pool propagated a blockX in that interval start a empty blockY on the other blockX until analysed
   b. if valid
       i. continue with empty blockY
         (usually empty blocks only spotted on network <2mins after previous block)
         (only roughly 280blocks of 58k are empty(2020stats). so its not that often<0.5%)
       ii. start a new blockY including unspent tx *

2.([ethically] continue blockX)
   this is where a pools sees the header but needs time to fetch&analyse tx list and other checks
   so they continue their own blockX
   once propagated blockX has been analysed
   a. if faulty
       i. no fuss. they just continue on with their own blockX effort.(rejecting the propagated blockx)
   b. if valid.
       i. they create new blockY with unspents included*

*(block template takes a few seconds to collate new unspent list, to hash it,send hash to asics with nonce range)
(this is usually the case in 99.5% of pool strategies)
(some pools have a template ready with transactions in. and just remove spents (half filled blocks))
(some pools wait until all spents of prev block are discounted, then make block from scratch(full block))

3. ([intent or ignorant] build on first propagated blockX no matter what)
    this is where a pool sees the header and just builds on it no matter the content validity
    this case in regards to TR activation is (after activation) the 5% pools not fully validating
    a. if faulty.
       i. they build on faulty block X with their blockY.
         if they solve blockY first. the 95% of pools would orphan blockY because they already rejected blockX
         (orphan because child is rejected by society because parent is lost)
       ii. continue with a blockZ even though 95% already orphaned blockY = pool created its own altcoin
          which 95% pools will keep orphaning off until ban hammering nodes propagating such blocks
    b. if valid
        i. pool is part of the network for now. but just doesnt know what is fully in the blockX

..
the chance of a orphan heavy scenario due to 3.a.i&ii is not just under 5%. but also under 0.5% of that 5%
the only way to up that 0.0025% chance is if the pool in question has more then 5% hashpower.. and on top of that they are intentionally making faulty blocks. and ontop of they willing to build on those blocks
.. but over all its like a 0.0025% risk generally
so dont be too worried about orphan drama.

but as i said the only real risk is merchants accepting payment with 0-low confirms from single blockchain source peer. as its the block source from multiple peers that is the extra mitigating factor that avoids following the wrong blocks for too long
8308  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Dealing with environmental impact on: June 03, 2021, 06:44:16 PM
once you realise this is jsut a new psychological pump and dump cycles. intented to bring bitcoins price back to a corrected price from its $60k ATH bubble. you soon realise. this months low. is just the oppertunity to buy bitcoin while its at a discount.

dont cry that its not sustaining at $60k plus.. it was never going to sustain at $60k plus spring-summer 2021
but its at a new low of $30k for 2021. higher than 2020's <$10k

so take the oppertunity of buying bitcoin at $30k-$40k .. because in january alot of people seeing the $60k said they wish they bought in when it was 50% cheaper.. well that time is now

all other social media drama is empty of solid evidence.
mining farms are 99% done in renewable regions. and it might take a few month for the big mouths to shout about their revelation of the fact to start up a social pump... but eventually when they have bought more coin up and emptied their fiat stash in doing so. they will be ready to pump it again

8309  Other / Politics & Society / Re: why revolutions and movements fail at their desired outcome on: June 03, 2021, 06:17:21 PM
Franky1,
it kinda sounds like you want people to make change "the proper way"----quite establishmentarian of you  Grin

and what if i told you . the "establishment" want people to be anti-establishment and not use the establishment, but instead just fight on the streets like rats over rotton pizza, that can be ignored in the legal system

..
i thought i made it obvious by now.
telling people to wear maga hats and rainbow shirts doesnt make physical change movement. it makes a buzzword that sounds like its doing something. but reality is the only movement is arm waving.

selling shirts and hats and bumper stickers is just profit making. and alot of suckers think that handing their money over change things. .. reality is it just makes the buzzword founder richer..

I'm believing you are writing on majorly in a sane society. Maybe in a more democratic system and of course not in Africa. A little brief of the African continent would tell you that change doesn't just come by mere contract in a paper. Even in South Africa that seem a more democratic system, change didn't come by mere paper work. Mandela fought for the structural revolution until it came, he stayed in prison for 27 years which was not a little struggle not given in papers.

thats what media is saying.
but do you know that africa suffers from (if you read a real brief) things involving contracts.
international investors buying up land from government without the local landowners consent.
yep the land owner just finds out one day their land has been purchased and they have to vacate the land
this has caused 2 things. alot of displacement and battles of farmers remaining trying to hold onto land thats no longer legally theirs.

they can try killing as many international visitors as they like but thats not going to win their land back.
neither is trying criminal acts to get money to try to buy land back. due to AML restrictions
both jsut end up in death or prison

so just screaming shouting killing and fighting and protesting wont solve their problem
70 years of trying and the africans are still displaced and fighting.

when you learn that these legal land purchase agreements have been done. and that unicef/oxfam are just he 'compensation' schemes for the displaced. you start to really see the reality.
yes big-agri buy the land and western citizens end up donating money to pay the african compensation for big-agra's shameful but legal acts

its time to change the tune and realise why after 70 years of protests... protests have not done anything.
and for those things that have changed. look at the real reasons for the change that have been falsely advertised as happening purely due to 'protests'. because the fact is. legal stuff happened behind the scenes. and 'protests' are just the curtain to hide it all behind

so forget the consumerism way. forget the media protest way. look at what actually creates laws. and use them for your advantage.

take UK womans sufferage
media show women waving placards..
but read actual history and you will see that MP's were lobbied to advocate for change. women went to court. and that stuff pushed MP's into voting new acts into established law
8310  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Dealing with environmental impact on: June 03, 2021, 05:51:43 PM
The "save the environment" nutjobs whining about BTC is nothing more than people spreading misinformation, I don't think it's anything to be worried about. Elon Musk just brought it to the mainstream discussion because apparently he didn't understand that BTC mining requires electricity before Tesla's massive purchase of Bitcoin (or of course, he knew and he lied about it like a slime ball).

give him time.
right now he is at the stage where he is talking to doge nutjobs which are telling him that mining farms in BTC are fossil fuel consumers. even though its actually the doge nutjobs hobby mining with residential electric that are high% fossil fuel consumers.
next he will go through the obvious PoS phase of trying to talk every PoW algo into changing. then he will realise that its the PoW farming that is investing more money into renewables thus allowing them to upgrade faster, thus helping the transition to renewables.

i give him a 6 month span for those stages.. maybe a year. but he has to go through them the hard way

...
yep bitcoin mining gives renewable powerplants excess funds they wouldnt usually get.
doge just consumes regular electric from area's that are not facilitating hydro

..
give it a further 10 years and the whole eco- debate will switch from coal->hydro->desalinated sea water
where by sea water is cleaned and desalted to refill reservoirs and refill aquifers and just pushed through sprinkler s to re-wet the land and get the water cycle apted up
8311  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Whether electronic technology has stopped progressing, Apple's mobile phone desi on: June 03, 2021, 05:30:54 PM
a desktop PC had like 25 years+ as CRT screens
                                20 years+ as LCD
even today desktop computers are usually still over 1foot tall

cellphones however have changed alot.
13 years ago. people laughed when i had a HP ipaq touchscreen with a phone feature.
now its the norm to have touchscreen cellphone
so they still have ~7 years before touchscreen phones are out of date and wearables are common

...
i can imagine a fitbit/smart watch being the main processor and main function device. and people have a roll of  e-paper with a wifisync to use as a large screen for times of need of a larger screen for mobile gaming/viewing things. but hey thats 7+ years from now
8312  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: JP Morgan Likens "BITCOIN to FOOLS-GOLD" Say's $20k todays value on: June 03, 2021, 02:04:35 PM
price today is 3.7X price this time last year
thats 270% interest if bought this time last year

far better than you would have got on any other one year hold investment
8313  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: This is why centralised services are "bad"™... on: June 03, 2021, 06:09:02 AM
AML-KYC in 3 categories.
usually if you have been flagged for doing something naughty. the service has to allow the transaction to continue and inform authorities but say nothing about it. and only freeze account without explanation if the authorities have sent a court order to freeze and seize funds

a service can have its own internal policy to just not want to service a customer they do not like. but this requires allowing a method for the customer to redeem their funds personally. even while not being allowed to use the service to pass it forward.(close account withdrawal while banned from making payments)

however, if the service is not really a well know regulated service/institution. it could be the service is scamming the user if there is no redeem option.

..
so with that said. if its froze. by a known regulated service(paypal) but not offering a redeem/withdrawal option. then its froze due to authority request to freeze.. meaning mega naughty boy.
8314  Economy / Speculation / Re: Whales selling and retail buying on: June 01, 2021, 09:37:43 PM
or what you really see is its lots of minnows selling and buying. but what happens on an exchange is not what happens on the blockchain

exchanges are the hoarders not whales.
what people think are whales are actually exchange cold stores

and yes they have to break their cold stores to make payments.
so when you see large amounts move. its not a whale. its an exchange breaking its cold store

those whales(non exchanges) that hold more then 100btc. are hoarding still
majority of coin movements onchain of 100+ are exchanges simply re-organising their coldstores

Quote
with 10-100K Bitcoins have reduced their holdings by 157,545 BTC.

in short.. exchanges have broke their 10k+ coldstores and paid out into smaller 'warm' wallets of <1k coin to then pay out to users. or reaccumilate later back into >1k+ cold stores later
8315  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Taproot proposal on: June 01, 2021, 06:56:50 PM
i know its gonna get deleted but oh well..
once activated... pools can still fill blocks with native transactions.
all that happens is a pool not analysing every byte in a block may end up accepting a block that other pools reject.
EG if a malicious pool X:
(1)makes a broken taproot tx
(2)puts it into a block
(3)manages to be first to broadcast the solved block...
the pool Y not analysing all the data would just blindly accept it because they dont know the new taproot rules. and as such. would fork themselves as they would then be building on the wrong chain. as the other95% of pools would have rejected a block instantly as they have upgraded and seen its a broke tx and not include it.
the pool Y not analysing all the bytes might build on that block to create their own chain. or they orphan it off a few blocks later once they see other nodes orphaned that block

a pool cannot just push in a block with a duff transaction and think it will last. unless all the other pools dont know the ruleset.
hense needing solid majority to have upgraded. before even allowing a new tx format

the only risk is if a merchant/service/exchange is relying on the unupgraded pool Y as a chain source where by the merchant sees the temporary block and think its valid. and if a user that done (1) may have a oppertunity to double spend.
which is another reason why merchants should not accept 0-2confirms

though i have no use for taproot atleast this time its a fair voting system with no backdoors to force it in. so if it activates. it activates

8316  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin's addressable market on: June 01, 2021, 06:43:03 PM
no 'serious bitcoiner' wants bitcoin to replace an asset/currency.
its always meant to be an alternative. an escape. a second choice.

if bitcoin was to become the worlds single reserve currency. then what will people escape to if there is nothing else.

being a open option/choice is more powerful then trying to take over existing options
there is no need to 'convert them' instead you just leave the door open and let them invite themselves
8317  Other / Politics & Society / Re: "UFO sightings spark concern from more than just conspiracy theorists" on: June 01, 2021, 08:07:46 AM
they are not looking for space aliens

they are looking for
illegal immigrants on unchartered flights.
soviet/korean/chines new flying tech
stealth planes, drones, rockets

think about it. when a registered passenger plane 'goes missing' this is proof that governments do not have good surveilance gear. they rely on plans transmitting its position. rather than having any long distance radar to detect position.
that being said. if they have a hard time locating missing planes for months. then missiles and drones can slip through easily... and thats the fear
8318  Other / Politics & Society / Re: German Study Shows 14% More Vegetation Over the Past 100 years from added CO2 on: June 01, 2021, 08:02:17 AM
Get 5 glass bottles of Coca-Cola with twist-off caps.
...

If you are trying to tell us that the university study is flawed, and that we can prove it to ourselves... lol Grin

if badecker puts glass bottles into freezer regularly then he is just admitting he has no common sense
heck he even knows what will happen but still thinks the home experiment should be one with glass which doubles his stupidity


as for trying to use a comparison of 100year old study vs today study. badecker loses the grasp of common sense of selective breeding and efficient farming that can account for the 'upto 15%' thus making using a 100 year old study not great resource to back up the claim
heck even studying the diffrence of fertiliser formulae over time can account for upto 15%
heck even studying the difference of herbicide/pesticide over time can account for upto 15%
heck even the study of crop rotation over time can account for upto 15%
heck even he study of timed water saturation can account for upto 15%

but putting all that aside. the carbon cycle is not about causing global warming. the secret is that its the water cycle that should be studied more.

but hey. fossil fuel miners are running out of resources. and so a shift to renewables is needed anyway. but mentioning carbon issues gets them nice money grants to pivot and still profit

meanwhile. with less clouds means more sun. .. common sense. warmer days
with less rain = more droughts = common sense.
with less rain soaking into widespread land= less evaporation to cause new clouds

if carbon was the main factor. people would be complaining about black snow. but the real complaint is less snow. and what is snow actually made of.. water

when water is not circulating on the land and instead pushed through pipes and sewers whereby the amount of water reaching farmland and landscapes is minimised to whatever sprinklers are allowed to release. you start to learn that the water cycle has been more of a disruption to the balance. due to man..
and carbon is another issues with separate priorities to man

yes climate change is caused by man. but the reasons are not as clear as promoted. there are far deeper man made impacts than just pointing a carbon
8319  Economy / Speculation / Re: why the price of Bitcoin dumping? on: May 31, 2021, 09:36:34 AM
its not 'dumping'
its correcting to pre spring levels

$60k was not the sustainable norm.$60k was the hyped exception
we are now seeing more of what a sustainable norm price looks like

lastly.
its not a dump. its a good value purchase area. so buy in before the next rise or you will be crying about 'why did it rise so much again' wishing it would go down to buy in
8320  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do Covid vaccines contain GMO “Magneto” protein capable of remotely controlling on: May 31, 2021, 09:30:05 AM
but as said.. the amount of iron oxide needed subdermally (underskin) to attract a magnet dermally is just basic maths that says a magnet wont do that with the covid jab.
firstly the vaccine volume cant support the amount of iron oxide needed.
secondly the vaccine in inermuscular meaning even more iron than a subdermal deposit is needed
thirdly its not on the ingredient list of covid vaccine.

its already also been debunked by the people making the viral videos. that they admit to licking a magnet. which is the same trick as sticking a coin to your head


you can pull out a billion random articles about other trials other vaccines... but atleast try to read the covid vaccine if you wish to discuss the topic of covid vaccine.

its very surprising you put soo much effort into things unrelated to covid vaccine by quoting lots of other vaccines. but you spend such little time on covid vaccine
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