Proverbs 9:10
"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom" The fear of God is necessary to maximize cooperation over defection. It is not cost free so individuals who fear God must form a community of like minded individuals to maximize the benefits of cooperation. Ultimately there is no current or future functional mechanism more optimized for maximizing cooperation then a universal and genuine the fear of the LORD. This is why religion will grow and ultimately out compete lesser more inefficient strategies. For a deeper analysis we must enter the realm of religious texts. Bible is filled with many words. It is filled with many concepts. Each of these concepts is often difficult to consider in the light of all the rest of the concepts. So... Get yourself a set of Bible CDs in a language that is common to you,  Bit bias here. Why you not encouraging him to get some Quran etc... CD's as well, so he can get a nice balanced view? |
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Personally I think those trying to obtain scientific proof of the existence of god are approaching this from the wrong perspective, you believe in god proof or not proof.
+1 Spot on. It's called faith, a belief that is not based on proof. Science can never proof God, not now and never will, because science can only use empirical data. Anybody claiming or trying to obtain scientfic proof of God is: 1) Lying or plain ignorant of science. 2) Too much spare time on their hands. 3) Having some sort of faith breakdown. Ask yourself, why would somebody of faith need (or even seek) scientfic proof of God? Surely that's the whole point of faith? Seems to me, if someone does, they are in the middle of some sort of God faith crisis in their life. Pretending they have scientfic proof of God, is just a cry for help. |
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ask him why he is such an evil bastard
He isn't. You are simply mistaking the devil for God. And that is the thing the devil wants you to do. There's only one thing more evil than the devil..... it's infinitely more evil creator. No, the thing that is more evil than the devil is a creature that bites the hand of its Creator while being fed by Him. Of course I forgot, if you accepted the truth, then you'd be forced to admit your guilt of worshipping evil. It's in your best interests to disagree with me. If I happen to worship evil a little, the sacrifice of Jesus has covered me so that my guilt is taken away as though it had not been. Why? Because I accept and believe in the sacrifice of Jesus for me. But your guilt and sin remain with you. Why? Because you won't even accept the existence of God, to say nothing about the sacrifice of Jesus, His Son. You are in deep dodo, buddy. Change while you still have time. Nice get-outta jail free card you've awarded yourself. So you can now do what the hell you like and it doesn't matter. A great amount of the worlds problems are caused by this sort of poisionous thinking. Where your thinking (or should I say, others doing the thinking for you) implodes of course, is all this nonsense is based on the assumption that your god is good and will keep his word. But as we just discovered, your god isn't good, but evil. So because your god is evil, he won't think nothing of going back on his word, or screwing you over, because he's evil. In a nutshell, your god is completely untrustworthy, even though you'll keep pretending to yourself he is. It wasn't God's idea that anybody go to jail. The jail of Hell isn't a jail that anyone can get out of on his own. So, God took matters into His own hands, and sent His Son Jesus to get us all out of jail. If you won't accept Jesus salvation for yourself, it is you who is evil. You are even worse when you cause others to reject Jesus salvation. Just listen to yourself. You are saying that billions of people in the world are evil because they don't believe in the Christian mythology of Jesus salvation. Think you need to sit in a quiet room and have a chat with yourself where you went so wrong in life. |
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ask him why he is such an evil bastard
He isn't. You are simply mistaking the devil for God. And that is the thing the devil wants you to do. There's only one thing more evil than the devil..... it's infinitely more evil creator. No, the thing that is more evil than the devil is a creature that bites the hand of its Creator while being fed by Him. Of course I forgot, if you accepted the truth, then you'd be forced to admit your guilt of worshipping evil. It's in your best interests to disagree with me. If I happen to worship evil a little, the sacrifice of Jesus has covered me so that my guilt is taken away as though it had not been. Why? Because I accept and believe in the sacrifice of Jesus for me. But your guilt and sin remain with you. Why? Because you won't even accept the existence of God, to say nothing about the sacrifice of Jesus, His Son. You are in deep dodo, buddy. Change while you still have time. Nice get-outta jail free card you've awarded yourself. So you can now do what the hell you like and it doesn't matter. A great amount of the worlds problems are caused by this sort of poisionous thinking. Where your thinking (or should I say, others doing the thinking for you) implodes of course, is all this nonsense is based on the assumption that your god is good and will keep his word. But as we just discovered, your god isn't good, but evil. So because your god is evil, he won't think nothing of going back on his word, or screwing you over, because he's evil. In a nutshell, your god is completely untrustworthy, even though you'll keep pretending to yourself he is. It wasn't God's idea that anybody go to jail. The jail of Hell isn't a jail that anyone can get out of on his own. So, God took matters into His own hands, and sent His Son Jesus to get us all out of jail. If you won't accept Jesus salvation for yourself, it is you who is evil. You are even worse when you cause others to reject Jesus salvation. Not as evil as your god though. I couldn't even touch that level. So don't get any funny ideas about worshipping me, I'm not evil enough for you. |
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Are the biblical years different from real years. You guys seem to have methaphores for everything. 6 days were not really 6 days. Maybe one biblical year is really 750,000 years.
4.54 × 10 9 years / 6 days = 7.56 × 10 87.56 × 10 8 / 6 = 1.261 × 10 8Make one biblical day equal 1.261 × 10 8 our years then it works. |
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ask him why he is such an evil bastard
He isn't. You are simply mistaking the devil for God. And that is the thing the devil wants you to do. There's only one thing more evil than the devil..... it's infinitely more evil creator. No, the thing that is more evil than the devil is a creature that bites the hand of its Creator while being fed by Him. Of course I forgot, if you accepted the truth, then you'd be forced to admit your guilt of worshipping evil. It's in your best interests to disagree with me. If I happen to worship evil a little, the sacrifice of Jesus has covered me so that my guilt is taken away as though it had not been. Why? Because I accept and believe in the sacrifice of Jesus for me. But your guilt and sin remain with you. Why? Because you won't even accept the existence of God, to say nothing about the sacrifice of Jesus, His Son. You are in deep dodo, buddy. Change while you still have time. Nice get-outta jail free card you've awarded yourself. So you can now do what the hell you like and it doesn't matter. A great amount of the worlds problems are caused by this sort of poisionous thinking. Where your thinking (or should I say, others doing the thinking for you) implodes of course, is all this nonsense is based on the assumption that your god is good and will keep his word. But as we just discovered, your god isn't good, but evil. So because your god is evil, he won't think nothing of going back on his word, or screwing you over, because he's evil. In a nutshell, your god is completely untrustworthy, even though you'll keep pretending to yourself he is. |
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Very insteresting theoryBut were the Jews really so important mighty Rome would have to create a religion in order to pacify them? If so, why would there be so many banishments and murders of Christians up to 313 AC It is more than a theory. There is an actual physical evidence that it is true. Titus Flavius Josephus was a real person, a first century Jewish historian. Wrote a nice story, got a Roman citizenship, the rest is history :-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUYRoYl7i6U https://i.imgsafe.org/bddc7023a5.pngNote how many times the guy in the video pushes his glasses back on his nose. Much of the time they didn't even need it. Is he shy and nervous? Can't he find a good optician? Doesn't he know how to adjust his own glasses by bending them a little? Maybe he would see history in a whole different light if he could just get his glasses settled onto his face. Nervous I expect. Someone like you might try to execute him. |
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I want to ask two questions to the atheist followers:
1. If you are frustrated and very severe emotional in your life, what you think and do to soothe your soul back?
-Many cases in Japan and Korea, which states that many atheists who committed suicide because they could no longer control its spiritual side.
2. When you know that you are going to die (such as illness or death penalty). Are you not worried that after death you will be a zero point that will not bounce back?
-In many religious teachings that explains the process after death. But not with atheists.
Everyone is sad when he realizes there is no God Were you not sad when you realized there was no Santa? I got afterlife taken away from me I was sad for a long time But I lived on, because I live in reality, not in fairytales If I wanted to, I could believe when I die 600 big boobed virgins will fuck me throughout a year But what's the purpose of it if I know it's not going to happen? I accepted my life ends with my death, and that's what makes it all the more special  Many scientists are sad when they realize that science has become a religion. The proof that God exists has been around for hundreds of years in the basic science laws, and forever in the evidence of nature: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380. If you believe in science theory, and that God doesn't exist when science law shows that He does exist, you believe in the biggest fairy tale of all. Science is guesswork. |
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But when scientists guess about things, they have a theory. See this is what I was talking about, this nonsense is just delibrate misinformation. Trying to hide something by any chance old BADlogic? Trying to keep a wall up by any chance?  There are two separate meanings of the word theory: in common usage, the word theory means just a hunch, but in science, a theory is a powerful explanation for a broad set of observations. To be accepted by the scientific community, a theory (in the scientific sense of the word) must be strongly supported by many different lines of evidence. Anybody that claims scientfic theories are just "guesses" is trying to hide something and should be red flagged. |
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The largest of the formal religions base their beliefs on research of their holy books. Lately, because science has become a religion because scientists believe science theory, formal religions have taken on researching science, as well. Starting with the preconceived, presupposed, blind guess that their holy book is correct (a fallacy of course), and then trying (and failing) to hammer that square peg into science's round hole is NOT researching science, because that isn't science. Formal religions have long and rich history of trying to conceal the truth, (usually involving some form of violence), to keep the gears of their lie machine turning. You're just doing the same thing your forefather before you did and their forefathers before them etc......, on and on and on. You're just another brick in the wall stopping humanity from seeing the truth. But look out BADlogic, that old lime mortar in that wall of yours is starting get a bit crumbly. Better do something quick....  The truth always comes out in the end BADlogic, always does, however much you try to stop it. |
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ask him why he is such an evil bastard
He isn't. You are simply mistaking the devil for God. And that is the thing the devil wants you to do. There's only one thing more evil than the devil..... it's infinitely more evil creator. No, the thing that is more evil than the devil is a creature that bites the hand of its Creator while being fed by Him. Of course I forgot, if you accepted the truth, then you'd be forced to admit your guilt of worshipping evil. It's in your best interests to disagree with me. |
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The Old Testament in Hebrew has been copied, and re-copied, over and over, many times for the many years. The Dead Sea Scrolls show that the book of Isaiah in the O.T. was almost exactly the same as it is today. This is because at the time the printing press was developed, it had not changed in about 2,000 years. Two points about this: 1. It is a miracle that this could have been done; 2. The rest of the O.T. was done the same way. Further. The nation of Israel is still around and powerful, after it was destroyed many times. Why? Two reasons: 1. The O.T. is so powerful that Israel is still strong in it; 2. the people of Israel are dedicated, which means that they wouldn't have written what they have written as they have if it were a lie. Further. We are finding N.T. scraps from the first century A.D. that show the New Testament to be the same as well. This doesn't happen by accident, with a very powerful nation (the USA) being possibly the greatest "pusher" of the Bible. It isn't a natural thing that this happens like this. If you had just happen to be born in a Islamic environment, chances are you would on here now telling us all the great "proof" Islam is the one true religion. If you had just happen to be born in a Catholic environment, chances are you would on here now telling us all the great "proof" Catholicism is the one true religion. If you had just happen to be born in a Jewish environment, chances are you would on here now telling us all the great "proof" Judaism is the one true religion. Once you understand this, the penny drops why your "proof" is nothing but empty hot air. Meaningless drivel. And since you have adopted the atheism religion for yourself, let's go back to the proof, and see who has the known-to-be-factual science law on his side, and who has the not-known-to-be-factual science theory on his side. Nice strawman argument. |
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The Old Testament in Hebrew has been copied, and re-copied, over and over, many times for the many years. The Dead Sea Scrolls show that the book of Isaiah in the O.T. was almost exactly the same as it is today. This is because at the time the printing press was developed, it had not changed in about 2,000 years. Two points about this: 1. It is a miracle that this could have been done; 2. The rest of the O.T. was done the same way. Further. The nation of Israel is still around and powerful, after it was destroyed many times. Why? Two reasons: 1. The O.T. is so powerful that Israel is still strong in it; 2. the people of Israel are dedicated, which means that they wouldn't have written what they have written as they have if it were a lie. Further. We are finding N.T. scraps from the first century A.D. that show the New Testament to be the same as well. This doesn't happen by accident, with a very powerful nation (the USA) being possibly the greatest "pusher" of the Bible. It isn't a natural thing that this happens like this. If you had just happen to be born in a Islamic environment, chances are you would on here now telling us all the great "proof" Islam is the one true religion. If you had just happen to be born in a Catholic environment, chances are you would on here now telling us all the great "proof" Catholicism is the one true religion. If you had just happen to be born in a Jewish environment, chances are you would on here now telling us all the great "proof" Judaism is the one true religion. Once you understand this, the penny drops why your "proof" is nothing but empty hot air. Meaningless drivel. |
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ask him why he is such an evil bastard
He isn't. You are simply mistaking the devil for God. And that is the thing the devil wants you to do. There's only one thing more evil than the devil..... it's infinitely more evil creator. |
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I believe 100% that there is God. There are something very powerful out there that create all this things in the universe. There should be an explanation why we exists.
Throwing God into the equation still doesn't explain why we exist. In fact, all it does is generate more unanswerable questions. |
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..And the mighty God looked down on the humans and they where bad, so he came up with a plan.
"let's send the kid down so they can torture him and everythig will be forgiven.
so the sick dictator in the sky sendt his son to the horrible humans to be tortured to death so he could forgive himself.
And God saw it and it and smelled the blood, and it was good.
(Nothing turns our lord on like the smell of blood, right?)
And the heavens rejoiced, because the bastdard borned out of marrage was dead"
Not much of a role model for us humans this bible god thingy. Little wonder there's so many problems about. |
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Then I came along in this forum and showed the proof that God exists: <debunked pseudoscience proof stuff>...... Then along came people that know what they are talking about and blew it out of the water. "The Joint" was the best I think. He absolutely smashed it to pieces and all you could do was put your fingers in your ears and go "la la la". And the funniest thing of all............ "The Joint" is a theist. You continually say there is rebuttal. But you never show any of it. By not showing any of it, you rebut yourself. Just use the search facility using "The Joint" as the search subject user. You'll soon figure it out. The Joint and I never discussed it that much. 1) Yes I know. He found it very little effort to shoot it down so very quickly, which you never recovered from. 2) All the easier for you to find it. (Not that you want to find it of course.) I don't know why he stopped posting. But he stopped. Can't have a discussion when someone stops discussing. You said all that you had to say back then. Why would he waste time debunking it again anyway? Once is enough. Once is all we need. Case closed. As you can see, I am still here talking about it. There's lots of flat earth people still talking as well. As they say; talk is cheap. |
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Then I came along in this forum and showed the proof that God exists: <debunked pseudoscience proof stuff>...... Then along came people that know what they are talking about and blew it out of the water. "The Joint" was the best I think. He absolutely smashed it to pieces and all you could do was put your fingers in your ears and go "la la la". And the funniest thing of all............ "The Joint" is a theist. You continually say there is rebuttal. But you never show any of it. By not showing any of it, you rebut yourself. Just use the search facility using "The Joint" as the search subject user. You'll soon figure it out. The Joint and I never discussed it that much. 1) Yes I know. He found it very little effort to shoot it down so very quickly, which you never recovered from. 2) All the easier for you to find it. (Not that you want to find it of course.) I don't know why he stopped posting. But he stopped. Can't have a discussion when someone stops discussing. You said all that you had to say back then. Why would he waste time debunking it again anyway? Once is enough. Once is all we need. Case closed. |
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It is really heart breaking whenever I heard or see people that don't believe in God,
You have to remember that you yourself don't believe in thousands of other Gods, bar your own of course. You heartbreaker you. Are you trying to be a false god? Nope, I've never once tried to be Jesus. |
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