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621  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: July 04, 2015, 05:20:08 PM
You are correct that hate is not a religious item. Person is bad his/her religion is not bad so don't blame his religion by his personal actions or bad deeds.

So what happens if Islam influences a person to do a good deed? Obviously it works the other way as well, and Islam must deny any connection to this good deed.
622  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: July 03, 2015, 08:43:47 PM
Demons trying to get people to sin and worship false gods.

Can your compile us a list of all these false Gods please? I want to be sure to avoid them.
Please answer in your own words and directly as possible. Thanks.

Anyone or anything that is not the true God of the bible /Jesus should not be worshiped or placed in higher respect than God/Jesus.

How have you come to that conclusion? Give me an example; let's say the Islamic God Allah. How have you concluded this one is false?


Because I believe Jesus Christ is the savior.

Yeah see you didn't really answer the question, you just gave us your opinion. Just because xyz is comforting, doesn't imply xyz is true.
To be fair I knew you would never answer it because I asked an impossible question. Nobody can possible know if that particular God is false or not.
Good reason why I steer clear of the whole mess.

No. I answered the question completely. You just want proof.

I'm sure atheists will love this answer, but I have proof. Those with hardened hearts will never see proof enough to believe in God though. Christians are not supposed to bother trying to explain or prove His existence to someone who will never believe. Atheists will say they will, but it will never happen. You'll say that's convenient.

Well, it's not, it would be easier to just lay it all out and have you believe. But it's not the way God set up the world. And my proof is my proof, and subjective, nothing you can't say was just a figment of my imagination and easily explainable. But I know it's true.

It's all rather "school yard" all this. I mean why make a big fanfare announcement claiming proof, then when asked to show it (which you wanted people to do anyway, or else why announce it?), reply "not telling".

What you gonna do next, throw my school bag on the roof for not subscribing to your God club?




I don't want to speak for someone else, but I have a few questions and thoughts:

1)  What kind of proof are you looking for?

He mentioned his proof is subjective.  If it's 110 degrees outside and I tell you that it's cold outside because I happen to feel cold, how can I prove this to you?  A thermometer won't cut it except saying that 110 degree is cooler than, say, a paper fire.  Do you allow any room for experiential proof?  It would certainly be valid to say that my feeling and knowledge of being cold is experiential proof despite my inability to prove this to you or anyone else.

2) Do you generally believe proof must be empirical proof?

3a) If so, what place do you think logical or mathematical proofs have in rational discourse?

3b) Also, if so, by what means could one falsify the belief, or prove to the contrary, that empirical proof is not the only kind that matters?


1)
Objective evidence/proof as she made a claim that required objective evidence/proof.  I asked why she thinks her religion of Christianity was true and Islam was false, which is what she implied by saying only the bible God should be worshipped. I think she got confused with the question and thought I just asked for proof of God, which I didn't.
Claiming Islam is incorrect with just subjective proof is silly, because Islam claims their religion is correct with objective evidence. (They also believe subjectively as well of course.) No need to go into detail but it goes along the lines of the Quran says this that and the other and the bible says this so the Quran must be only correct one, and so forth. This is objective, you agree? And surely objective proof/evidence must always trump subjective proof/evidence.
She failed to put any objective evidence/proof on the table, thus failed to answer my question.

I'm sure your going to tell me I've got it all wrong now. I know my limits, I'm not arguing with you, you'll blow me out of the water. LOL.


2)
Believe it or not I regularly go back over your post history to read what you've written, even on threads I've never posted in. In fact, your in my top 5 of posters I like reading.
I admit some of your stuff is too heavy for me and goes way over my head, but I do try.

Anyway I am paying attention to what you say, so yes there is logical proof as well.





623  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: July 02, 2015, 08:02:41 PM
Demons trying to get people to sin and worship false gods.

Can your compile us a list of all these false Gods please? I want to be sure to avoid them.
Please answer in your own words and directly as possible. Thanks.

Anyone or anything that is not the true God of the bible /Jesus should not be worshiped or placed in higher respect than God/Jesus.

How have you come to that conclusion? Give me an example; let's say the Islamic God Allah. How have you concluded this one is false?


Because I believe Jesus Christ is the savior.

Yeah see you didn't really answer the question, you just gave us your opinion. Just because xyz is comforting, doesn't imply xyz is true.
To be fair I knew you would never answer it because I asked an impossible question. Nobody can possible know if that particular God is false or not.
Good reason why I steer clear of the whole mess.

No. I answered the question completely. You just want proof.

I'm sure atheists will love this answer, but I have proof. Those with hardened hearts will never see proof enough to believe in God though. Christians are not supposed to bother trying to explain or prove His existence to someone who will never believe. Atheists will say they will, but it will never happen. You'll say that's convenient.

Well, it's not, it would be easier to just lay it all out and have you believe. But it's not the way God set up the world. And my proof is my proof, and subjective, nothing you can't say was just a figment of my imagination and easily explainable. But I know it's true.

It's all rather "school yard" all this. I mean why make a big fanfare announcement claiming proof, then when asked to show it (which you wanted people to do anyway, or else why announce it?), reply "not telling".

What you gonna do next, throw my school bag on the roof for not subscribing to your God club?


624  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: July 02, 2015, 06:47:09 AM
Demons trying to get people to sin and worship false gods.

Can your compile us a list of all these false Gods please? I want to be sure to avoid them.
Please answer in your own words and directly as possible. Thanks.

Anyone or anything that is not the true God of the bible /Jesus should not be worshiped or placed in higher respect than God/Jesus.

How have you come to that conclusion? Give me an example; let's say the Islamic God Allah. How have you concluded this one is false?


Because I believe Jesus Christ is the savior.

Yeah see you didn't really answer the question, you just gave us your opinion. Just because xyz is comforting, doesn't imply xyz is true.
To be fair I knew you would never answer it because I asked an impossible question. Nobody can possible know if that particular God is false or not.
Good reason why I steer clear of the whole mess.


625  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: July 01, 2015, 09:45:14 AM
No, I'm not interested in considering I'm wrong.

That's terrible. The church has sealed your eyes, ears and mind tightly shut.
I don't see any good will become of that.
626  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: July 01, 2015, 06:42:25 AM
Demons trying to get people to sin and worship false gods.

Can your compile us a list of all these false Gods please? I want to be sure to avoid them.
Please answer in your own words and directly as possible. Thanks.

Anyone or anything that is not the true God of the bible /Jesus should not be worshipped or placed in higher respect than God/Jesus.

How have you come to that conclusion? Give me an example; let's say the Islamic God Allah. How have you concluded this one is false?
627  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: July 01, 2015, 06:25:40 AM
Demons trying to get people to sin and worship false gods.

Can your compile us a list of all these false Gods please? I want to be sure to avoid them.
Please answer in your own words and directly as possible. Thanks.
628  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: June 30, 2015, 06:49:40 PM
It's impossible to prove whether God exists via empirical evidence, i.e. via observation.  It is not impossible via logical proof.  Logical proof is proof of a higher order.

Would logical proof be able to tell us "what God wants", such as rules, laws and stuff we should or shouldn't do?

629  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: June 30, 2015, 03:54:41 PM
Here's a question for anyone: Why are Christians supposed to follow those rules that God lays down?

God has never laid down any rules for Christians to follow, only man made the rules.
As explained before, "what God wants" is impossible, as this would prove Gods existence, which as we both know, is impossible.


630  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: June 30, 2015, 10:49:13 AM
Oh sure. If you look at the Islamic holy writings, you find plenty of directives to kill. It is the Muslims who are peaceful who are not following all the Islamic directives. You have to violent at times and peaceful at other times, just like ISIS, if you want to be a TRUE Muslim.

Smiley

Telling muslims on here they can only be a true muslim if they act like ISIS, is not a good idea. It might be interpreted your promoting ISIS. You could find yourself in some serious hot water.

Just saying.
631  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: June 29, 2015, 06:44:23 PM
Islam is not the religion of strickness.
Fasting during Ramadan is mandatory on believers

LOL Cheesy
632  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: June 29, 2015, 06:36:49 PM
Atheists are more fearful people in this world,
It would be my guess the religious folk are the ones living in fear. Remember, every day they worry they might get their God angry over something silly and get their heaven pass revoked. Atheists have no such issues.

All living beings are faithful to it's creator except the human kind.
How do you know other living beings aren't Atheist?
633  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: June 28, 2015, 12:59:30 PM
For your kind information dear. Muslim pay  zakat while non muslim pay jizya. Islam is a religion of equality.

Muslims pay 1% or 2% of their earnings as zakat, and the poorer community members don't have to pay anything. On the other hand, the minorities often have to pay 20% of 30% of their earnings as jizya, irrespective of their income level (In Moorish Spain, the Jizya ranged from 33% to 80%, depending on the region, while zakat was less than 5%).

That's pretty sad TBH. Islam does not tell to charge an amount like this but what they can afford. If they milk like this, the milk will soon finish.

?
This is your opinion.Those who live in muslim majority countries ask them , they are free to perform their activities or not...??  Our Prophet SAW said love every human. whether he/she is muslim or not. By the way whtas your religion?? If you dnt mind?

Wilikon and Spendulus are atheists.


That is news to me...

Did I say something wrong? I mean you are an atheist, right?


I, do not believe that is true... ✔
I do not believe, that is true... x



Also famously stated by Ayn Rand,

"God, no."

But the subtleties will fly right past.






If you are not atheist then what is your religion?? Can you tell me ?
Sure.

As soon as you acknowledge that this statement you made is false.

Islam is a religion of equality.




This statement is very true that Islam is a religion of equality. Till my last breath i would defend Islam and this statement Inshaallah.


Oh, I was unaware Islam allowed woman multiple husbands, same as men are allowed multiple wives.

Learn something new every day.
634  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ISIS is getting paranoid on: June 27, 2015, 09:16:07 PM
I imagine all the inevitable gay ISIS members are quite paranoid their little secret will slip out.
635  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do people hate islam? on: June 27, 2015, 06:53:21 PM
Let me clear you......Terrorists have no religion....

That silly, how would you possibly know that?
Anyone can make up their own religion, like ISIS have for example.
Also, there is no rule anywhere stating a religion must embrace good.
636  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: June 27, 2015, 11:07:21 AM
Islam is a religion of equality.

Let's try to keep these comedy jokes lines off this thread please. Thanks.
637  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: June 26, 2015, 10:00:10 PM
I have proven that all atheists are mistaken in that they lack an afterlife-concept even when that concept has been proven scientifically.
If you've just proven the atheists wrong, then you've just proven God exists. But proof of God is impossible. I'm not sure what, but there's something not quite right here.
638  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do Atheists hate Religion ? on: June 26, 2015, 09:08:11 PM
A true Christian recognizes the fact that his faith in God isn't 100%, just as his knowledge about God isn't.

I wouldn't say that. I have always had faith in God, 100%. I did one time, really, truly think about what if there wasn't a God, but my faith was never shaken.

Extremely rare event going on here, I actually agree with BADecker on his never 100% point.
Surely if faith was at 100% then it would no longer be faith, it would be proof? Maybe I'm wrong on this.



639  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: June 26, 2015, 08:39:57 PM
Atheists lack a god-concept and they also lack an afterlife-concept, this is why all atheists are humanists.
I was of the understanding that the only rule of being Atheist was their lack of belief in God. It doesn't say any rules about believing in the afterlife or not.
Consider this:
"Presumably all atheists are humanists, since what else could they be?" --Atheism and Secularity, Page 10 (2009)
Humanists do not have an afterlife-concept, they only recognize human life "here and now".
Even so-called "Buddhist atheists" lack an afterlife-concept, this is contrary to what Buddha taught.
I have never found an atheist with an afterlife-concept, and presumably this is impossible because then the atheist in question would not be a humanist, so therefore not an atheist.
I guess that makes sense. The only issue I have is how have you linked the afterlife is connected with God?
If an Athiest can believe our life now happens without God, and afterlife is just simply a change of state, presumably an athiest can just as easily believe our next state can exist without God as well.
How can you proof God has anything to do with an afterlife?


The 52 points of evidence at near-death.com constitute a form of scientific proof; proofs converging from many and varying classes of phenomena unite in establishing it.
Scientfic proof of what?

Survival hypothesis.
Does the survival hypothesis proof God exists?
640  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why do islam hates people? on: June 26, 2015, 01:06:20 PM
Islam is the religion of Love <3

Was maybe, but not any more. It's been snatched away from under your nose.
ISIS have changed it into the new Islam which is now firmly in charge. Until the old Islam lot take back control, they are irrelevant.

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