and your buying your own ito aswell, right?
Would be stupid if you didn't.
Who me? Of course. I got up early in the morning and bagged the 10% discount. :-) you know this is illegal in most countries, right? Can't be buying ico/ipo/ito you issue yourself since you basically buy free coins from yourself, create fake volume, basically scam. Must not have thought enough before typing. If it were a matter of buying free coins from myself, then I agree that there would be an ethical issue. But I did not create the coins. I bought under the same circumstances as everyone bought. Secondly, even if I had created the coins, I would've had to have paid real money for them, and so it's not possible to have "bought free coins from myself." Lastly, it would help you to remember that cryptocurrencies exist everywhere and nowhere. There is simply no legal issue at stake here. Don't you try to trap me. I'm not in the mood. End of discussion. |
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and your buying your own ito aswell, right?
Would be stupid if you didn't.
Who me? Of course. I got up early in the morning and bagged the 10% discount. :-) |
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Hi Cryptico
I can't give you a release date for that, because people are asleep in the US and I'll need to speak to the team first.
While you wait for such a release, I'd encourage you and all members of the XC community to remember that:
- Just because some internet trash gets created it does not thereby acquire substance of any sort.
- By reading said internet trash, you may well start to wonder whether aspects of it are true.
- You then start posting on relevant threads, asking whether it's true.
- By asking, you actually spread the trash. Ideas catch on. Fudders join in and amplify it. Fears spread.
- This creates a shitstorm out of pure air. It takes up masses of our time and energy. It is incredibly stressful. And it harms your investment.
- So the rational thing to do is to just ignore internet trash. Don't read it, don't ask about it, and don't let it draw you into doubting.
The only time in which it is reasonable to ask questions is when there is demonstrable proof of a claim. And when you ask, you must supply such proof.
(I was trying to tell this to Longenecker last night; he needs to establish the reality of his doubts before spreading what could be pure speculative nonsense.)
Yours in remaining sober-minded, and not stooping to the level of those who create and spread internet trash,
Arlyn
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Fudsters will FUD.
Scammers will scam and Liars will lie. and Spoetnik will always be full of shit.... nothing new here, just trolls, fudders and Spoetnik.... Morning all Have I been mistaken in reading Spoetnik's threads as parody? I mean, they read like a parody of FUD - and a witty one. Some of them have been hilarious (like the Blocknet being scammy because we use "pictures" in the OP. Ha ha!). Personally I thought he was trying to take the piss out of the fudsters who take themselves seriously. Am I wrong? |
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Hah. He deleted my post too. I was measured, reasoned and calm. Said while there was no doubt that much of the allegations against Dan were bullshit that something smelled fishy and asked for a refund.
Deleted.
I guess I'll go post it on a non-moderated thread.
Apologies. If I recall correctly I deleted a conversation. Since it was also quoted in your post I deleted your post. |
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Oh and i forgot to add one thing: saying "great post, you are totally right." in this thread isn't going to solve anything, it's the actions that you take outside this confined space that will.  Kind regards Andreas Thanks Andreas. That was very well presented. In my opinion I've been doing the things you suggested (like *not* engaging with loudmouths on this thread, but instead keeping the thread free of conversation about unverifiable internet trash). You effectively expressed our plan. You'll see the course we take over the next few days. All the best, Arlyn |
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You appear to have conflicting claims between Dan and Prometheus.
GO AND ASCERTAIN THE TRUTH ON A DIFFERENT THREAD.
Stop posting this stuff here until it is ready to see the light of day. How am I supposed to act on conflicting claims?
On my side I will make enquiries and participate on your newly created thread.
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Longenecker, please do as I suggest and create a thread that establishes unequivocally that:
- Utility is involved with Prometheus in an unethical way
- Prometheus is a scammer/bad person
I want to know. I'm as interested in the truth as anyone else.
But I am not interested in entertaining any old unverifiable trash thrown up on the internet.
Please do this and report back on this thread. I am offering you my full willingness to participate.
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Last time I checked there was no good reason to believe Prometheus's words.
Let's do this in future. Next time someone wants to discuss something related to this FUD:
- Create a thread and unequivocally show the truth of something.
- Invite us to review it.
- Once there is consensus on that thread (involving me), then the claim in question can move from being FUD from being a claim worthy of addressing.
For now, read my statement at the end of the XC thread and take to heart what responding to baseless claims does. Don't get sucked in by FUD! It makes you perpetrate it.
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Do not respond to or discuss unverifiable FUD claims here.
Doing so only perpetrates more FUD, even (and especially) if you defend against it.
Unverifiable = ignore.
Moving on...
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Ok, that's all for now folks.
Enough talk about FUD.
Appearing to defend against it only validates whatever you respond to, and propagates more FUD.
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Public identity is not "proof" against wrongdoing, it's an incentive to not engage in wrongdoing.
I do not believe that it's been presented as proof anywhere.
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Are there any news how much BTCs are allready is inversted in Block?
I intended to release this information this morning, but today has been a maelstrom of FUD-related nonsense and unfortunately it has delayed the release. We'll be releasing figures as soon as we can. (Sales are decent though. Not super high, not low.) Edit: Just wait until we release proof of concept code and details on the escrow of funds. :-) |
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Yes, you're right, and all spending will be recorded on the blockchain. No question of that.
On the other hand it could make sense in terms of the privacy of devs for, say, coins to be taken from the funds in larger batches allocated to, say, a given release. From there, payments to individuals could be kept private, while the amount used for a given release will still be publicly disclosed.
How does that sound?
Hmm, If that's done, it should be accompanied by a public list of expenditures that +- shows what percentages of the budget were spend on what. 'Dev pay' could be one category, but if there is a 'champaign and caviar for the devs' section, we wanna see that as a separate category!  I have no problems with you guys earning a comfortable living, but with $1000000 laying around it's just too easy to say 'fuck it, lets earn more money per month and do less work' if there is no public oversight. And i'm playing devils advocate here because a nontransparent financial policy will completely wreck and destroy the reputation of blocknet, the coins involved and every single dev working on them. It's in your own interest to be completely honest and transparent about everything that happens. And being honest is more than just saying everything we don't know without lying, honnesty is about telling the truth in such a way that it is undeniably and independently provable that you are telling the truth. The blockchain decentralised trust for a reason, make good use of it. Decetralised due diligence is the most important thing the blocknet needs to be successful, without it it will falter and die, and a fairer, more trustworthy alternative will take it's place in no time. /devils advocate Make it happen guys Make it happen right now! Put it on your website, post it in this thread, make a video about it, scream it from the top of every roof. +1 I agree completely. Thank you for this perspective. We have every reason to be transparent and candid at every step, and this is the plan. Stay tuned for news about our escrow arrangement, and about proof of concept code. can we also centralize all this info in an official single place? I'm talking about a website ( www.blocknet.io? ). I'm not looking forward to browse trough pages and pages of forumposts to find relevant information. No one is. It's quite shocking that you guys even started the ITO without a proper website. Why was that decision made like that? I'd say these kinds of things need to be in order before the ITO ends. EDIT: And yes, i'm deliberately acting like an entitled prick so that people with less positive intent won't be able to in the future. Yes this is a necessity. We want everyone to have access to information of importance. Threads are no good for this purpose. |
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I;m happy that you closed XC official thread. Now we can keep this professionally on the official forum.
I hope the whole team will ignore every FUD thread on this retarded forum, and focus on the main thing, XC and Blocknet.
Keep the good work
Thanks, and yes, we'll now have a lot more time to focus on development, marketing, and bringing XC into the real world. A statement has been issued on the closure of the XC thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=630547.msg9395895#msg9395895 |
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I'm forced to ask here because of being censored in the XC thread which is now locked and my questions deleted/redacted
Failing to answer these questions is highly suspicious and i would think it wise to just put an end to all of this and answer them once and for all
1: Did you develop hal in any way shape or form (answer clearly and explain what if at all you worked on for hal!)
2: Do you develop for util (again a straight forward answer yes or no and with an explanation of what you worked/work on if you did)
3: Can you list all of the people who formulated the blocknet with you and is prom bob fonats or any other known pump group in any way involved in the setup? (if so then detail specifically how and to what extent)
4: Please tell everyone here how you came to decide on these coins and did prom have anything to do with this?
5: Have you worked with prom or bob or fontas any other known pump group to date (yes or no and please detail specifically how and what you did and to what extent)
6: Have you done any code reviews on coins prom has be involved with (we know most of the blocknet coins prom is involved with)
7: Have you done code reviews for prom directly or him as a contact that lead you to do one?
8: has prom ever funded you in any way shape or form (elaborate please telling us what you did for prom if you did anything at all)
9: Are you the sole person doing your (Dan Metcalf) code reviews if not who are you outsourcing them to?
If anyone else has some questions for Dan Metcalf please feel free to ask in this thread so we can all put this to rest and move on.
Sorry folks, but in no way does engaging with this thread legitimise XC. And we will not legitimise your expectations by engaging. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=630547.msg9395895#msg9395895Bye. |
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What will happen to all the ito money? Will any of it be given to the coins in the blocknet? Do they share in the success of the blocknet ITO? Seems they should if not. What good is a blocknet without its coins?
Yes, participating coins do share in the success of the ITO. Await further announcements pertaining to this. We will have details on our budget and spending in due course. |
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