I would imagine the escrow agents would sue in their jurisdiction first and then if successful try to get that judgement enforced where the company has assets. That is the usual method for going after international companies.

Without seeing the actual contract terms, it is impossible to know how much leeway Avalon has. Plus, Avalon has $8 million dollars in one bitcoin address and that will buy a lot of lawyers.

You must do work in an industry to "lead" it. BFL does no work in ASIC or semiconductor design. The people who actually designed the ASIC could be called leaders in ASIC mining hardware (if they actually lead the industry instead of Avalon & ASICMiner), but none of those people work for BFL.

You should deflect somewhere else. This one is a dead end for you.

You can't be an industry leader if you don't do any work in that industry. BFL does no actual work in ASICs if they subcontract out all of the design. Therefore they cannot be industry leaders in ASIC design.

So simple a 5 year old could understand it. Too bad you are not allowed within 200 feet of schools or you could get one to explain it to you

IIRC, Avalon said 30 sample chips per order, then changed it to 30 sample chips per shipping address. If that is true then they can take Avalon to court for breach of contract.

If 2 groups are designing 16 chip boards, how can you distribute 30 chips to them equitably?
I think the escrow folks are going to have to put the screws to Avalon for more samples, or ask for their money back.

At least there are samples. 2 steps forward, 1 back. 

FTFY. Factsies are a downer aren't they?

NO FAIRS! WE CALLED NO FACTSIES!!! 

I am 99.9% certain that the chips have a programmable clock rate. So the firmware is indeed setting the clock. I am also fairly certain that the firmware can accept a clock rate from external to the device (otherwise testing would be horrifically awful). So if someone reverse engineers what those inputs are (no inputs = default clock rate) then everyone should be able to tweak their Jala's to a higher hash rate.

^This. BFL's input to the chip design was "make it hash this much" <holds hands about 12 inches apart>.

It is cute to see Inaba flailing around in the thread. Why isn't he adding his "cross-domain" expertise to getting Singles and Mini-rigs working?

I do believe that Xian is under an obligation to "exhaust" attempts to resolve BFL's breach of contract without resorting to the courts.

Ouch. That is going to leave a mark. 

Unless that is the distribution for sale as opposed to the yield of the binning. For instance, they might be reserving D lot chips to go into Jalapeno's because they add up nicely to 5 GH/s.

Oh, the irony.

You only show up in threads where BFL faces an existential crisis. The Xian lawsuit thread, the BFL chip sale (or complete lack thereof I should say), this thread which threatened BFL with a wave of refunds. Wherever there is bad press for BFL, you swoop in and derail the threads with the same tired shilling.

I know you don't truly believe that refund requests would help BFL. If you did then you would encourage the refunds instead of fighting so desperately against them. 

Fair enough. 

Everyone has already admitted that people with a day 1 order of BFL equipment can still find a greater fool to sell it to. You don't need to belabor that point.
And no, I don't want to see people who were promised product 7 months ago get Xian'ed.

Sociopaths such as your self will not see the wrong in a bait and switch scheme, so I won't waste my breath explaining it to you. But promising someone a delivery and then reneging on that promise just because the delivery costs too much or you don't like the person anymore is breach of contract and that is something you will eventually understand as the courts explain it to BFL and they dock your paycheck.

He can still see my posts. But since I am quoting you, for how much longer I cannot say.
Everyone knows that a few early BFL orders can be converted into more money than they were bought for. Greater fools abound on these forums (I use you as exhibit A). But later orders are worthless. If KNCMiner or Avalon delivers, the secondary market for BFL will evaporate.

Asking for a refund just guarantees you get screwed by BFL. Holding on to a day 1 BFL order until KNCMiner & Avalon deliver (or BFL delivers) is just people trying to salvage a little bit out of 11 months of fail.

I was just reverse engineering the 7950/7970 die size (352mm2) with their binning. Roughly 45x the die size and they disable 256 of the cores during binning. It didn't seem unlikely that 50-100 of those cores underperform or fail tests. But I was just doing back of the envelope calculations. I might be able to lay my hands on what sort of defect rate AMD actually sees at that die size and what their worst case scenario looks like.

Might be interesting for comparison purposes, but I realize a GPU of that size is a "whole nother critter". 

Wrenchmonkey rage incoming. Wrecked by Unacceptable and wrenchmonkey turns on him like a rabid squirrel.

They would do to him what they did to Xian.

He has waited 11 months, he doesn't want all patience that to turn into an interest free loan to BFL.

IMO, day 1 customers should sell to the greater fool if they can. Then re-invest in Avalon or KNCMiner. Who knows when the supply of fools will run out?
Bad news from BFL or good news from KNCMiner could flush that "market" down the toilet.
Day 1 orders of mini-rigs or singles should not complain lest BFL turn their patience into an interest free loan and a potential lawsuit against an empty shell of a company.

What about day 90 orders? or day 180 orders? or day 270 orders? What is the value of an BFL order from April on the open market? Probably zilch.

FYI, that isn't my ass you are trying to hand to me, it is the ass you have been talking out of since you arrived. I will be happy to dispose of it for you. However, Josh might miss it next time he wants to take a crap.

There are certainly dozens of people who are very upset with BFL while their determined supporters can be counted on a single hand.
I just happen to have the patience to debunk your crap ad infinitum.


Wrenchmonkey reading comprehension at work again. That is Josh instilling the fear of BFL order cancellation in people. Unacceptable does not want to be punished like Xian was. He is rightfully afraid to speak to speak his mind for fear of BFL retaliating. Until Xian resolves the legal dispute, people with early orders are wise to keep silent, or at least complain via an alias.

You have given up again. I suppose BFL is paying you whether you get schooled here or not.

You wouldn't believe the documentation provided by a federal court. You still believe Sonny Vleisides is a saint. Nothing I can link to would change your mind in the slightest. My links are for the people reading your sad little diatribes.

You have given up again. I suppose BFL is paying you whether you get schooled here or not.


You cannot be convinced, but every time you make an idiotic statement and I catch you in it with facts, other people might notice.
Since you are typing right now with Josh's nuts in your mouth, I wouldn't bring up fetish level obsessions if I were you. 
If BFL delivers their mini-rigs before KNCMiner delivers a Saturn, BFL might still avoid the fate of bASIC.
BFL still has a shot at being the DeLorean of bitcoin mining. 

You you keep changing the subject and declaring that you refuse to discuss the previous subject further because...
No reason yet supplied other than some vague complaint about "remaining within hypotheical bounds to stay in rational terms." Sounds like code for capitulation.

You may refuse to discuss the topic of the thread all you like. My purpose here is not to convince you or wrenchmonkey or any of the other BFL fanbois to change your stripes. That cannot be done. My purpose here is to provide a counterpoint to your reckless optimism and willful ignorance.