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861  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-06-16 SALON - Could Bitcoin become the official currency of Kenya? on: June 18, 2013, 07:00:20 PM
You can't down load the blockchain on a feature phone.

You don't need to. Mike Hearn's bitcoinj library is perfectly capable of operating as a SPV client that has very close to the same security as a full node yet can be operated with relatively little bandwidth, enabling lightweight clients such as Andreas Schildbach's Bitcoin Wallet for Android phones.

do these solutions support SMS.  These user are NOT using smart phones.
862  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-06-16 SALON - Could Bitcoin become the official currency of Kenya? on: June 18, 2013, 05:17:26 PM
Kenyans have M-Pesa.  Why do they need bitcoin?

You can't down load the blockchain on a feature phone.
863  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Regulation facing a Bitcoin exchange based in the UK on: June 18, 2013, 04:15:32 AM
Unless Lemon can prove otherwise I question anything he and crypto.pm are doing.
864  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Phinnaeus Gage scammer tag request on: June 18, 2013, 02:31:10 AM
What, exactly, was the charity bet about? Context is necessary, here. From the limited context in this thread, it's looking like he does deserve a negative trust. I can't really give a proper explanation of why I think that without the context, though.

Phinnaeus Gage is not a scammer.

Please don't engage this nonsense!
865  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Phinnaeus Gage scammer tag request on: June 18, 2013, 12:09:17 AM
yes they are quite active, when necessary but usually ignore this type of pissing contest nonsense

This thread is still about cats.

866  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Phinnaeus Gage scammer tag request on: June 17, 2013, 11:57:00 PM
girls girls don't get your panties in a bunch.

There is no longer a scammer tag.  That is what the new trust system is for.

This thread is now about cats.

867  Economy / Goods / Re: Uk group buy, Choclate Casascius Coins? on: June 17, 2013, 09:12:48 PM
where are you located?

I could bring some to london
868  Economy / Goods / Re: Uk group buy, Choclate Casascius Coins? on: June 17, 2013, 08:34:46 PM
I ordered a bunch for Halloween in the US last year.  There are a great conversation starter!
869  Bitcoin / Press / 2013-06-17 - Making Peace with Washington on: June 17, 2013, 03:53:50 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/17/can-bitcoin-make-peace-with-washington/
870  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 2013-06-13 Latest from FinCEN on: June 17, 2013, 03:52:49 PM
What is unclear to me is whether they are talking about regulating the exchanges or regulating every single individual who uses an exchange.  Seems uncomfortably vague to me.  What happens if every Joe who trades a single bitcoin for cash becomes "an agent"?

I freely admit that I'm not well-versed in financial legalities, so enlightenment is welcome...


Fidgets,  Unfortunately that is currently the case.  Every Joe who trades a bitcoin for cash become a MSB that is probably required to get a MT license in every State in which he has clients.

So what started out as a hobby or small business just turned into a $7M venture.

It has been discussed here and other places, that bitcoiners need to come together and engage policy makers.  I've heard this is happening with a group in Washington and I know that Bitcoin Foundation (Peter Vannesses's club) is making overtures in that area, however I've yet to hear or read any official info.

Gavin and Patrick Murick( attorney for Bitcoin Foundation) spoke at a panel in Washington last week.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/06/17/can-bitcoin-make-peace-with-washington/
871  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 2013-06-13 Latest from FinCEN on: June 17, 2013, 03:28:08 PM
Just found this thread.... you guys know that there's a legal forum right?!  Tongue

Yes, thank you. Do you know, that there is the possibility to buy ad space?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=229054.msg2411569#msg2411569

You think I should advertise?

NO. Adds are spammy and SCAMMY.

You knowledgeable posts are all you need to advertise. 
872  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 2013-06-13 Latest from FinCEN on: June 17, 2013, 03:19:29 PM
I just post and let the mod's move if necessary.

As you can see the sub-forums get MUCH LESS traffic as I just found your thread and you just found this one.



I'm mostly just bitter that I post in the less-popular forum  Angry

Me too!

There was a lot of GREAT info that I totally missed!
873  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 2013-06-13 Latest from FinCEN on: June 17, 2013, 03:03:40 PM
I just post and let the mod's move if necessary.

As you can see the sub-forums get MUCH LESS traffic as I just found your thread and you just found this one.

874  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 2013-06-13 Latest from FinCEN on: June 16, 2013, 05:54:43 PM
DeathAndTaxes

We should schedule a trip to Washington D.C.

BCB
875  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: June 16, 2013, 05:27:32 PM
Gareth
For transparency can you explain the transfer process?  I have been aware of zip zap issues in the past. Now it seems to be that coinapult is the problem. How many hops/services are required to convert the fiat to BTC? Maybe if the user understood the complexity of the process in addition to the added regulatory requirements you are facing they would be less quick to make claims in the event of a delay.

Thanks.

Last post of mine for today until i've cleared out these orders:

A basic deposit from cash to BTC looks like this:

1 - User gets a quote, the quote is recorded on our system and is used to generate the call to zipzap's system generating a payment slip
2 - User prints that payment slip, goes to location, deposits cash, usually via moneygram
3 - Moneygram confirm receipt, send money to ZipZap
4 - ZipZap confirm receipt from moneygram
5 - ZipZap send our system a notification (for the record, a lot of the issues on the new site happened here, looks like it was DNS-related)
6 - Our system confirms the notification from ZipZap is all legit and checks the cryptographic signature
7 - Our system generates a New Order - this is where the clock starts ticking on our deadlines (since before this point we don't have confirmed payment)
8 - The New Order goes into our queue, a worker process in the backend picks it up and verifies everything is legit, screens  for fraud etc
9 - The worker process sends USD funds over to our delivery partners at coinapult - we generally treat this as the point where orders are fulfilled
10 - Coinapult purchases bitcoins and withdraws from the exchange to the specified address (this stage has failed at times due to gox withdrawal delays)

Gareth,

This is great.  Hopefully clients can see that this is a complicated process.

You are also trying to implement a cutting edge technology on top of an antiquated banking system.

Then you have all the US REGULATION to deal will.

Hopefully Newbes will understand that Bitinstant is a trusted service and sometime there are glitches.

As much as everyone bitches about slow transactions on occasion I for one have never seen a Bitinstant transaction NOT honored or not refunded.

Good Luck.
876  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 2013-06-13 Latest from FinCEN on: June 16, 2013, 05:19:10 PM
Now if you are allowing illegal activities on your system they are you liable for Criminal enforcement from DOJ/DHS etc.

And they might decide something that's legal this week will be illegal next week. That's arbitrary authority.

I agree that this uncertain regulation is very unsettling however FINcen and DOJ etc has made it pretty clear that they are not big fans fan of the following activity.

Money Laundering
Terrorist Financing
Child/Human Exploitation

If you plan on engaging in or allowing this type of activity then you could be prosecuted.
877  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 2013-06-13 Latest from FinCEN on: June 16, 2013, 04:56:37 PM
again fincen is not after bitcoin people. they are after FIAT traders that are not licenced.

That's not accurate as Fincen engages in arbitrary enforcement. We have no idea what they're up to.

Severian:

According to FinCEN:

"FinCEN’s guidance explains that administrators or exchangers of virtual currencies have
registration requirements and a broad range of AML program, recordkeeping, and reporting
responsibilities. Those offering virtual currencies must comply with these regulatory
requirements, and if they do so, they have nothing to fear from Treasury."

Now if you are allowing illegal activities on your system then are you liable for Criminal enforcement from DOJ/DHS etc.

See: Liberty Reserve ( and possibly Mt. Gox)
878  Other / Politics & Society / Re: HSBC and FIAT banking money laundering on: June 16, 2013, 02:43:14 PM
True. The media in the US (as in other countries) is just another part of the corporate Oligarchy.
879  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Official Newbie BitInstant Support Thread (Active Customer Support) on: June 16, 2013, 02:39:40 PM
Gareth
For transparency can you explain the transfer process?  I have been aware of zip zap issues in the past. Now it seems to be that coinapult is the problem. How many hops/services are required to convert the fiat to BTC? Maybe if the user understood the complexity of the process in addition to the added regulatory requirements you are facing they would be less quick to make claims in the event of a delay.

Thanks.
880  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer : Liberty Payout on: June 16, 2013, 02:32:03 PM
Good question. Pls post if you find out.
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