I am not here to promote anyone or anything accept to possibly enlighten a few people that a different approach from some of you could do a lot of good for crypto and BCT. There is so much hate and trolling that it makes it impossible for someone that may have a good idea to foster that idea. I am not saying that scammers should get off easy or that 90+% of coins aren't scams.
Thank you for what sounds like a much more reasonable response. Also thanks to kilo17 for explaining the situation. I might disagree with what you guys are saying but nevertheless I can respect that. One note though. I don't think there is any hate. Not on my part anyway. That's a loaded word from Garza's dictionary. As well as FUD etc. None of it matters if you're running an honest venture. Do trolls affect Bitmain or Coinbase in any way? Don't think so. There are plenty of coins too that have survived Bitcointalk so it's not like it's impossible to do anything, it's more like a test that if you can't pass maybe the idea isn't as brilliant as it seemed. Take Crestington for example, I don't think I've ever seen him lash out no matter how hard he's trolled, and he's running a frickin' parody coin with a "con" in its name. Hire him next time you start something and you'll be certifiably troll-proof  Who's been trolling me? I don't think anyone has ever trolled me? I'm just like really really ridiculously good at handling drama because I played online games with forums for years when I was younger and have worked in a lot of restaurants where people are constantly trying to grill you. Throw in a dash of good looks, some travelling and a sense of humour and your pretty much untrollable. There are two general rules to forums that will help anyone survive, never lash out or attack people no matter what they say because arguing is pointless on the internet, wastes time and the best defense to people trolling you or making you look like a fool is to go along with it and make yourself look like even more of a fool than they can. Some people think it's funny to make a bobble head of you? I would think it would be flattering, probably use it for advertising. Let's say you would take every meme picture people made of you and would distribute them yourself to advertise the product you are doing, free marketing! As long as you aren't going out of your way to screw people it doesn't really matter what people say. Edit: PayCon is actually genius btw, because it has the inflation model that PayCoin would have needed to be successful in such that you have even higher inflation but you cannot buy it without knowing that it was built on opensource code without any promises. If you sell you cannot buy it back without paying more, if you own it and are Staking you may not even receive the highest rewards without optimizing your Staking and if you are doing that then you are also developing the Coin, securing it. There is a sweet spot for inflation, to have it moderately high enough that everyone will Stake it but not so high that one person can gain all the advantage or will continually drop the price over time because you want people that will trade it, create volume AND Stake as well. Calling something PayCon as a currency is the whole idea of decentralization in itself, like saying that you don't give a fuck about whether or not people see it as legitimate and it will be a success no matter what people think, got a problem with that? Simple, don't buy it because it's not pretending to be something it's not. |
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its not trolling or fud when you are trying to understand the product. there were clear problems in the initial proposal. just because you want to invest & had good interactions with whocares doesnt translate into non questioning undying love from the larger community. trust is earned not demanded. also some people made money with GAW but it doesnt mean it was right
you have to separate people from ideas. ridiculing ideas is perfectly fine and should be done. no idea is perfect from the get go, it has to evolve to be a good one. the doctor might have good intentions but it needs real work. reason for extra scrutiny is due to the fact that some people from the HT community tried to regain their losses by starting ponzis and other scams (tntcoin and what not). to the doctors credit he didnt remove all posts from his thread and communicated in a way that could gain him trust and respect in the long run. role of the dev was left quite unclear. was he there to generate value for his other project, hired to just dev it or what. because they shared one account to post it turned very convoluted. transparency > *
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garza told a terminally ill person to invest his nest egg after his initial investment into GAW. that guy lost his legacy due to the overall attitude of not asking questions. (to make it less sad one guy from the "original 19" gave him 10k to leave something behind for his wife)
Thank you, saved me typing my own response Bagholding is a very bad motivation, worse than the other big reason why people get into crypto (greed). A bagholder trying to recover his/her lost "investment" by cooking up another scheme is like a gambler who just lost a yolo bet and is borrowing money to win it all back. Would you lend money to such person? All those post-XPY schemes should be considered more dangerous than any other shitcoin for that reason alone IMHO. I do not disagree with what many of you have stated. I would like to respond to some of the replies. I did lose some on Paycoin and ignored the warning signs, big mistake but it wasn't much money. I bought an account because I think if I post with my real account I will be ridiculed for a mistake I made and do not wish to have my personal life brought into your thread.
In response to another couple of comments, yes I am aware of the guy with terminal cancer that Josh screwed. I cannot remember his name on HT but I think it started with the letter "T' and I believe he did some design work. I am also aware that you guys were on JG before the emails were leaked or made available and I apologized in a previous post, if I didn't then I apologize now.
His screen name was Trixster and was also active a bit on the GetHashing forums as well. I was one of the guys that was on HT for a long time and saw many people come and go. I do know that many on the GAW thread have been ridiculed for trying to help those that did lose. Just because people have a desire to try and get a coin back on its feet and that coin was a HUGE scam by JG does not mean they are a scammer. I also see your points that it will be exceedingly difficult because it is a flawed coin to begin with.
This just comes back to doing the things that need to be done and helping in the most effective way and facing whatever people are going to say head on and make no apologies about it. If someone is going to try to embarrass you how are they going to succeed if you are open and upfront about the things that you are doing? Hack into your emails and release all your private information? What if everything in private is exactly the same things said in public? I do see the point that it is definitely a riskier endeavor to invest in an HT members coin than someone that did not potentially lose money on Paycoin. Once again, you are assuming that Whocares lost money, when in reality it was stated on multiple threads by a lot of members that Whocares didn't even start on Paycoin until late in the game.
If Whocares does have good intentions and you have good intentions (preventing scams and protecting people), wouldn't it have been easier to contact him or another team member and say "listen, many of us have a problem with you coming out with a coin that resembles Paycoin, particularly since you were an active HT member. We strongly advise you to rethink the coin" or hell, maybe even add in a small incentive (aka threat) like "or we will haunt you down like that scumbag JG'
If you contact someone privately asking them if it's a scam and they tell you it isn't, then that will not make it a scam? What if you asked the wrong questions and the information provided was false but you believed it and then other people based their judgments on your personal analysis? That at least gives an honest person something to consider and allows them to respond. I can tell you from my point of view, I am scared to death of you guys and want none of you crawling up my ass, not because I am scared of what you will find but because I do not want to deal with the embarassment that I have seen on the GAW thread because I made a dumb ass move.
You should never be scared to hide information because you are afraid of what other people might think or people would use that information to try to embarrass you. Information is only embarrassing if you deem it so, people pick up on this and jump on it, this is the internet and what people say about the things you do really does not matter in the slightest. Some of the best advice I was ever given was "to own your mistakes" because everyone is going to make mistakes, it's part of life but you cannot learn from your mistakes if you cannot face them, accept them and learn from them. I am not here to promote anyone or anything accept to possibly enlighten a few people that a different approach from some of you could do a lot of good for crypto and BCT. There is so much hate and trolling that it makes it impossible for someone that may have a good idea to foster that idea. I am not saying that scammers should get off easy or that 90+% of coins aren't scams.
Like I have said before, it is very obvious that many of you know crypto very well, I just think that your talents could also be used to benefit crypto in a positive way.
I pissed off Whocares/kilo17 on the Bitstone thread for making this thread because he said it was uncalled for and very inflammatory. So again I want to apologize for the OP. I have invited him to post here on the thread for what I think could be potentially invaluable feedback.
"Hate and trolling" is the reality on the internet and if you cannot accept that and discuss the issues that people have a problem with in a mature manner then you should not be doing this kind of work. Face life head on, you will always come out ahead because if you are not then those things will build up until they get out of control. You are saying that Whocares/kilo17 are angry because you are discussing these things, I see that as a red flag for investing in their project since they should be the ones answering peoples questions. Valid points to debate. I think the dialog we are having is helping me understand for sure. While I do agree with you on most of your points, consider this: the first post on the BitStone thread were a link to an unmoderated thread- which I am not saying in and of itself was wrong, I am saying that in that thread it was nothing but a bunch of personal attacks and posts that were copied from the GAW thread. Those types of comments have no value to a coin release and most if not all were simply FUD. Secondly, I do think the first posts from several of the GAW thread regulars on the BitStone thread were scam accusations and offered no real reasoning. Some of the posts after that had VERY valid points, no doubt. The problem in my eyes is this, if a person comes on a thread and the first post is SCAM then all post after that are soured. Having said that, it is exactly what I did on this thread and I appreciate you continuing to discuss matters with me. Lastly, I apparently did not make myself clear. Kilo17 was angry at me for the OP (meaning the original post I made) - which most of you were also upset about. I do appreciate your replies. Anyone serious about investing is going to wade through the FUD and decide for themselves based heavily on how those questions are answered, if they provide no real reasoning then people would see that as well. I looked through the thread and also saw that instead of attempting to answer these questions that the conversation was shifted into deflection mode. Regardless of FUD or not, the questions people were asking were never answered and talking about the tactics used in ascertaining the truth still does not make the project any more legitimate or plausible. |
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How about Homero begs for con but gets a punch to da face theme..  Did not delete my suggested theme about Homero punched in da face though (just an upvote post) Guess they sort of agree bout that still  Uhh that´s not a fair mod then. Talking about thailand in 2 or 3 sentences = big crime. Suggesting to make a Homero punch in da face theme is OK though  But upvoting that = big crime again  Well atleast it's only bitcointalk mods themselves that can delete posts so that kind of thing is something you might want to discuss in the Meta section. I also mentioned about having issues with the reasons for deleting certain posts in that there is no real defined rules as to what they delete. Seems like you grabbed some more CON because I was catching up to you I R D Minting Champ |
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its not trolling or fud when you are trying to understand the product. there were clear problems in the initial proposal. just because you want to invest & had good interactions with whocares doesnt translate into non questioning undying love from the larger community. trust is earned not demanded. also some people made money with GAW but it doesnt mean it was right
you have to separate people from ideas. ridiculing ideas is perfectly fine and should be done. no idea is perfect from the get go, it has to evolve to be a good one. the doctor might have good intentions but it needs real work. reason for extra scrutiny is due to the fact that some people from the HT community tried to regain their losses by starting ponzis and other scams (tntcoin and what not). to the doctors credit he didnt remove all posts from his thread and communicated in a way that could gain him trust and respect in the long run. role of the dev was left quite unclear. was he there to generate value for his other project, hired to just dev it or what. because they shared one account to post it turned very convoluted. transparency > *
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garza told a terminally ill person to invest his nest egg after his initial investment into GAW. that guy lost his legacy due to the overall attitude of not asking questions. (to make it less sad one guy from the "original 19" gave him 10k to leave something behind for his wife)
Thank you, saved me typing my own response Bagholding is a very bad motivation, worse than the other big reason why people get into crypto (greed). A bagholder trying to recover his/her lost "investment" by cooking up another scheme is like a gambler who just lost a yolo bet and is borrowing money to win it all back. Would you lend money to such person? All those post-XPY schemes should be considered more dangerous than any other shitcoin for that reason alone IMHO. I do not disagree with what many of you have stated. I would like to respond to some of the replies. I did lose some on Paycoin and ignored the warning signs, big mistake but it wasn't much money. I bought an account because I think if I post with my real account I will be ridiculed for a mistake I made and do not wish to have my personal life brought into your thread.
In response to another couple of comments, yes I am aware of the guy with terminal cancer that Josh screwed. I cannot remember his name on HT but I think it started with the letter "T' and I believe he did some design work. I am also aware that you guys were on JG before the emails were leaked or made available and I apologized in a previous post, if I didn't then I apologize now.
His screen name was Trixster and was also active a bit on the GetHashing forums as well. I was one of the guys that was on HT for a long time and saw many people come and go. I do know that many on the GAW thread have been ridiculed for trying to help those that did lose. Just because people have a desire to try and get a coin back on its feet and that coin was a HUGE scam by JG does not mean they are a scammer. I also see your points that it will be exceedingly difficult because it is a flawed coin to begin with.
This just comes back to doing the things that need to be done and helping in the most effective way and facing whatever people are going to say head on and make no apologies about it. If someone is going to try to embarrass you how are they going to succeed if you are open and upfront about the things that you are doing? Hack into your emails and release all your private information? What if everything in private is exactly the same things said in public? I do see the point that it is definitely a riskier endeavor to invest in an HT members coin than someone that did not potentially lose money on Paycoin. Once again, you are assuming that Whocares lost money, when in reality it was stated on multiple threads by a lot of members that Whocares didn't even start on Paycoin until late in the game.
If Whocares does have good intentions and you have good intentions (preventing scams and protecting people), wouldn't it have been easier to contact him or another team member and say "listen, many of us have a problem with you coming out with a coin that resembles Paycoin, particularly since you were an active HT member. We strongly advise you to rethink the coin" or hell, maybe even add in a small incentive (aka threat) like "or we will haunt you down like that scumbag JG'
If you contact someone privately asking them if it's a scam and they tell you it isn't, then that will not make it a scam? What if you asked the wrong questions and the information provided was false but you believed it and then other people based their judgments on your personal analysis? That at least gives an honest person something to consider and allows them to respond. I can tell you from my point of view, I am scared to death of you guys and want none of you crawling up my ass, not because I am scared of what you will find but because I do not want to deal with the embarassment that I have seen on the GAW thread because I made a dumb ass move.
You should never be scared to hide information because you are afraid of what other people might think or people would use that information to try to embarrass you. Information is only embarrassing if you deem it so, people pick up on this and jump on it, this is the internet and what people say about the things you do really does not matter in the slightest. Some of the best advice I was ever given was "to own your mistakes" because everyone is going to make mistakes, it's part of life but you cannot learn from your mistakes if you cannot face them, accept them and learn from them. I am not here to promote anyone or anything accept to possibly enlighten a few people that a different approach from some of you could do a lot of good for crypto and BCT. There is so much hate and trolling that it makes it impossible for someone that may have a good idea to foster that idea. I am not saying that scammers should get off easy or that 90+% of coins aren't scams.
Like I have said before, it is very obvious that many of you know crypto very well, I just think that your talents could also be used to benefit crypto in a positive way.
I pissed off Whocares/kilo17 on the Bitstone thread for making this thread because he said it was uncalled for and very inflammatory. So again I want to apologize for the OP. I have invited him to post here on the thread for what I think could be potentially invaluable feedback.
"Hate and trolling" is the reality on the internet and if you cannot accept that and discuss the issues that people have a problem with in a mature manner then you should not be doing this kind of work. Face life head on, you will always come out ahead because if you are not then those things will build up until they get out of control. You are saying that Whocares/kilo17 are angry because you are discussing these things, I see that as a red flag for investing in their project since they should be the ones answering peoples questions. |
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Why does it matter? Mrs Garza is the one who should be attacked. She helped her king scam tens of millions of dollars from cryptocommunity. true -- maybe i need to look harder for something worth reporting Yeah I was thinking about it before and if Garza did scam millions of dollars (as overwhelming evidence points to) then it's likely that she is also in on it, even encouraging it. If it's her then where's the remorse? they scammed a terminally ill guy out of his life savings for gawds sake. |
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How exactly do you illegally hack legally obtained and fully publicly published data? Please 'slain? OH GREAT! JONAH THE SHITBALL IS BACK! I was hoping you dried up and blew away in the wind. You seem to go a little crazy when seeing his name, Mrs. Garza. Bewbs pls ( . )( ' ) |
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Just an FYI for you guys.
WillieBTC seems to be a farmed account that was bought between April 21st and June 1st which seems very apparent by the one word posts and 0 contribution to any discussion since it was created until about 2 weeks ago.
First rule to scamming is deflection of the issue by trying to attack the other persons credibility. Exactly same tactic as was tried with that TNTCoin shit where instead of trying to answer questions about how they were going to back $1 a Coin when there is 1 billion Coins, it was made about Miaviator being interim CEO of PayCoin which had absolutely no relation to anything that was being asked.
What are you suggesting? Mr. Garza himself making an appearance to entertain us? Frankly - I'm honored. Go Willy. No, not Mr. Garza. The spelling would be much worse but then if he actually did take the time to spell check, the way it is written is also not his style. I would give it a 10% chance of it being Garza but a 95% chance of it being a purchased account for the sole purpose of hyping up Bitstone to make it seem more credible. If that's the case it's probably going to backfire. Will attract more negative attention than anything else. I went through the different posts of the people on the thread, WillieBTC seems like the only bought account or atleast the only farmed account. I also came across the certification, looks quite legit but does very little for proving credibility since the diamond could still be fake. The wallet shown is super shitty, especially for something that is supposed to be backed by a million dollars in assets. The wallet proof they have of it mining is of the statistics page, which means absolutely nothing because the statistics page only displays whatever values you put in, if you wanted you could type in that if it's under block 1000 there are 0 Coins when it's really producing 1 million Coins a Block or 10 times less money supply than there is. If they are trying to attack people credibility over people poking holes in their idea then it will probably crash and burn before it's even begun whether or not it's a scam. If it's going to be legit and they want it to be legit, they should be asking people to find faults and providing undeniable proof. |
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Just an FYI for you guys.
WillieBTC seems to be a farmed account that was bought between April 21st and June 1st which seems very apparent by the one word posts and 0 contribution to any discussion since it was created until about 2 weeks ago.
First rule to scamming is deflection of the issue by trying to attack the other persons credibility. Exactly same tactic as was tried with that TNTCoin shit where instead of trying to answer questions about how they were going to back $1 a Coin when there is 1 billion Coins, it was made about Miaviator being interim CEO of PayCoin which had absolutely no relation to anything that was being asked.
What are you suggesting? Mr. Garza himself making an appearance to entertain us? Frankly - I'm honored. Go Willy. No, not Mr. Garza. The spelling would be much worse but then if he actually did take the time to spell check, the way it is written is also not his style. I would give it a 10% chance of it being Garza but a 95% chance of it being a purchased account for the sole purpose of hyping up Bitstone to make it seem more credible. |
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Just an FYI for you guys.
WillieBTC seems to be a farmed account that was bought between April 21st and June 1st which seems very apparent by the one word posts and 0 contribution to any discussion since it was created until about 2 weeks ago.
First rule to scamming is deflection of the issue by trying to attack the other persons credibility. Exactly same tactic as was tried with that TNTCoin shit where instead of trying to answer questions about how they were going to back $1 a Coin when there is 1 billion Coins, it was made about Miaviator being interim CEO of PayCoin which had absolutely no relation to anything that was being asked.
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Rofl, so sad because they questioned the legitimacy of your shitcoin and you make a thread calling FUD. Hey genius, before you are going to clone another centralized shitcoin maybe you should have everything worked out first. Both Paul and Suchmoon have every right to question your motives in the same way as anyone else here does, it's called freedom of speech and you need people that are going to police themselves. If you can't take the heat then GTFO.  |
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Cres, does that mean Dogecoin has a good chance of being up there with BTC? Also a little advice to the bagholders... If your trading strategy is "investing" aka buy and hold. Stop. Throw Buffet style investment strategies out the window because crypto has no fundamentals. Only potential. If a few people were to be able to design a better inflation model then "yes" but currently the only difference is the Block times and running on Scrypt which Bitcoin could also adapt so unless it was radically different and provided something better then I will say that it won't be bigger than BTC because BTC is more established and is always chosen first before Doge. time is running out (for crypto coins including BTC itself) big names are looming and a sign of this was when I was in my bank the other day and I seen one of them big displays while standing in line.. it said some crap about sending money instantly to anyone instantly with their cell phone app. get it ? see what's coming yet guys ? this crypto stuff is going to get steam rolled and the Facebook's, Google's, Microsoft's and big banks etc have the resources to pull it off. I would think they would want/need the Bitcointalk community in order to do that, otherwise are they just not creating another centralized Ripple/PayPal? |
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You can prove yourself over time and through your actions, that is stronger than proving any identity could do but if new, then you are pretty much dead in the water if you cannot prove your identity because there is nothing stopping the developer from abandoning the project. If you have been around for some time and active then you really are not anonymous, it's most likely that many people know your identity but choose not to share personal information.
Short answer is developers don't need to show their identity if they can show they can be trusted.
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How about Homero begs for con but gets a punch to da face theme.. Do it! I'll even help you with making the theme! |
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What are they proposing to stop people from using the already leaked PC keys?
Also: Was there any mention of why people are not getting their Hashtaker coins back?
Considering that there is going to be new PC bidding I would guess old keys won't work after the next fork. Regarding stakers: https://talk.paycoin.com/discussion/1472Mine are showing 6/20 now so I don't know yet if what's posted there is true. I do know that they added 2 or 3 days. The countdown was 180 days and it has ended, but they made the expiration date 6 months after start, which is 182 days I think. What is stopping those keys from also being leaked? Seems to me it is a risk to have that in the first place and you have to make big bets that you can even see a return. The hyper-inflating wallets do nothing for normal trade, no one wants to buy it when they get a paltry 5% and are instantly putting money into the pockets of the people with the hyper-inflation keys. Hyper-inflators can dump at a lower price but they can still make money, the 5% wallets can't though because then forced to sell at a loss, or to put it into the xpy.io wallet which is also a huge security risk and would classify as a security. With the tightening of legislation you don't want to be holding a security and ultimately be responsible for the loss when it happens. XPY.io is a disaster waiting to happen, if it's online then it can be hacked in some way so there is a basket of golden eggs just sitting there ripe for the pickings and you could not get to it fast enough that you could stop it being dumped on the exchanges. |
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That's awfully generous of them to hold someone's coins, take them for some obscene %, dump all along the way, and give back 35% after 90 days. I better give them all my coins.
It's 35% APR, so less than 10% after 90 days. Awesome deal.  Truly awesome! Math is hard. Ganza math really hard.  XPY.io has to make money somehow but it's still negative for price to dump into the buywalls and causes a decline further than the price hit.  Only support now is currently at 0.0002 but target price would be at 0.00018 with that rather large dump, however the Cashtakers™ are supposed to be expiring and releasing millions of XPY so I would estimate the floor price would be around 0.00016 give or take around 10% and to hit within about 2-3 weeks. |
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ha no problem bud... keeps me from working while at work
I do recommend checking out our irc... lots of raining HYP in there to be had
You forgot to mention the IRC channel, it's ##hyperstake You don't need to even be part of HYP to join the fun, so many great people are always there to help you with any problems you might have. A++ |
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Here is a crosspost from Allen1980 on the GetHashing forums https://forum.gethashing.com/t/con-paycon-get-your-con-on/3111/192Yes that's right, your favorite Mr. Garza takes advantage of the terminally ill.Just wanted to drop a note in here as an update on Trixster. Over roughly the past month, and through multiple efforts, and two rather large donors, almost all of Trixster's original loss in GAW has been returned to him. As many of you know, Trixster has a terminal illness that he has been suffering from for the past few years. The money was originally invested in GAW based on many promises we all know never materialized. When things began to look bad, Trixster approached Garza, who knew of Trixster's health situation, asking whether he should sell off at a time when half of his investment could be recovered. Garza told Trixster to hold his investment and not sell. The money was to help Trixster's family later. As a result, Trixster lost almost all of his savings, meant to help his family upon his passing. The marketing behind GAW gave him the belief that he could build a larger nest egg to leave his family. Now, through the gracious humanity of the community, formed from the GAW/Paycoin debacle, Trixster will be able to still pass on a legacy, not leaving his family penniless. I would like to state, emphatically, that Adam Matlack played a massive role in this all coming to pass. Had he not taken the initiative to reach out to others, throughout the community, we would be a far-cry away from where Trixster is today. |
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