an NSA operation would definitely disable other masternodes to funnel transactions to the masternodes they control.
This is an interesting debate. I agree that the NSA can kill Dash, and Dash is finished. And I am sure they can kill Bitcoin too, but I am sure they cannot control Dash without we would realize. I am not so sure about Bitcoin. Check the masternodes/country here: http://www.dashnodes.com/index/charts26% US 25% Germany 20% France 13% Netherlands etc. With all US masternodes under control the NSA cannot denonimize the transactions. Let's do alternative scenarios: 1.- They buy XXXX Dash to create new masternodes (we can do the math to find the exact number is necessary to do it, it's a lot). The market goes crazy, we would realize. They control the network but they can't know past transactions (Masternodes don't do that, users are secure). Dash is finished 2.- They can "invade" or "hack" us the poor Europeans (France, Germany, Netherlands, etc.) get access to our accounts in our european servers. We would realize (yes, we would), they can control the network, they can't control the past transactions (Masternodes don't do that, users are secure). Dash is finished I think the NSA can kill, but they can't control the Dash network. How you see it? (excuse my grammar and vocabulary mistakes, english is my third language) |
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Why do dashers not think people get masternodes and that's why they think they are awful for privacy? If a governmental agency can afford to buy enough nodes to break TOR's anonymity (they did and can), why couldn't they afford to buy enough masternodes to break dash's anonymity, buy or intimidate the people who already own them, or go to Amazon (who they already work with) and get information from the hosts themselves on who is running the masternodes and where to "contact" them. If dash ever got close to Bitcoin's level this would be the easiest way to break dash's anonymity and comes straight from the NSA's thin-thread playbook--apparently Evan and his Devs skipped a few chapters in Cryptocurrency for Dummies.
these are legitimate concerns. And I can understand that. Nobody can't afford to buy enough master nodes, it's too expensive (and the price would escalate), and we would notice that. Instead they can create bitcoin nodes (for free) to do the same. The initial distribution was not definitely under the radar of the NSA. Just because the masternodes didn't exist, not even the project or the intention of doing something like that. Just check the main thread. As I said in other threads, Darkcoin was just another shitcoin at the begining (with a very skilled dev behind). Edit. As I said we can move the masternodes to Iceland, France and other countries and wait for your NSA. They can take us and torture us to use our masternodes, yes. And send us to the Guantanamo prison, yes. But for now I am not worried  |
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As a rational and adult people we are, yes. It's better to talk and disagree without insults. thank you. (excuse my grammar and vocabulary mistakes, english is my third language) |
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I understand masternodes can be a concern for some users. Let me clarify about it: Masternodes: Darksend's mixing is performed by Masternodes, servers operating on a decentralized volunteer network which have the responsibility of signing the transactions. For each round of Darksend, the user selects two to eight (or even more) rounds of mixing which vary the degree of anonymity achieved. Random Masternodes are then elected to perform the coin mixing. Masternodes are trust-less, in the sense that they cannot steal user coins, and the combination of multiple Masternodes ensures that no single node has full knowledge of both inputs and outputs in the transaction process.
To avoid a "bad actor" scenario, in which many Masternodes are operated by an adversary who wants to de-anonymize transactions, a deterrent has been put in place in which 1000 Dash are required to own and operate a Masternode. As an incentive for operating a Masternode, chosen nodes currently earn 45% of the mining rewards.More info: http://www.dashnodes.com/index/masternodeshttp://www.dashnodes.com/index/masternodes_mapI see in the charts more than 2500 masternodes placed in more than 30 countries. Centralization? Some people are early adopters, we can't change that. With 8 rounds of random mixing through masternodes, do your math to understand what you need to control the network. And we can move masternodes easily from one country to another if we need to. The world is bigger than the US. The masternode system provides also an instant transaction system, a governance system, and the possibility to build other stuff on top of it. Personally i think the new "governance system" or the instant transactions are far more important than anonymity. Dash system is not completed yet, it's a work in progress. We had forks and all kind of issues in the past and of course we will have problems in the future. It is a risk investment. Some people think cryptonote system is better, maybe it is. Do your own research. It is legitimate to dislike the masternode system, of course. Insults (see Adam post above) are not. Thread about masternode system in dashtalk: https://dashtalk.org/threads/which-masternode-model-should-we-implement.4115(excuse my grammar and vocabulary mistakes, english is my third language) |
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Gracias por la información Sigma. Tal vez no haya motivos para retirar los fondos. Pero yo sí lo haría.
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Yo ya me he perdido 2 y estoy con mono. A mi personalemte lo que me mata son las quedadas entre semana, por mi horario laboral y mi lugar de residencia... preferiría que se organizaran los viernes que además dan pie a una cerveza después.
Intentamos programar en viernes, pero los locales a los que vamos nos los ceden gratis, y normalmente no nos dejan mucho margen para escoger el día. Por eso vamos cambiando y muchas veces es entre semana... gracias por el comentario! |
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Rux, don't bother yourself in threads like these. It is a waste of time.
There are 2 ways to improve their relative social (and investment) status:
1. himself to become better, to rise above the others.
2. himself to remain in place, and belittle and tarnish all the others.
Unfortunately, some moneros hasn't the abilities and the desire to follow the path #1 (good sign for DASH) - so there is only path #2 for them.
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Desperate people from other communities are free to post here for visibility. We can understand that. It is no necessary to engage or comment. Their posts talk about what they are. |
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*please stay on topic*
Hows the editing going? I hear you're a bit of a perfectionist  I'm working on it  |
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Where is the meetup, at the FAB Café ? aleix? You're attending right? of course, I am one of the organizers  The place was @itnig What an amazing night with @escalicha, @otoh, @fernando, @toknormal, @evan on skype and many others!  So proud to be part of this community! You will have the video in a few days...   |
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En otro orden de cosas, el martes próximo presento Dash en el Barcelona Bitcoin Meetup. Si alguno estáis por ahí sería genial discutir en persona y tomar una cerveza (una de las grandes cosas de este meetup es que hay cerveza gratis!). http://www.meetup.com/bitcoin-barcelona/events/222636340/Además de los que van al meetup de Barcelona habitualmente (alrededor de 30), la organización invita a los participantes el panel de Bitcoin del Symposium on Electronic Crime Research (eCrime 2015) que se celebra en Barcelona ese mismo día: https://apwg.org/apwg-events/ecrime2015/La organización espera que vayan bastantes al meetup, por lo que puede ser una gran ocasión para presentar Dash y crypto en general de una forma más real a este tipo de público. Tal como ocurre con todas las presentaciones del BTC meetup de Barcelona, la presentación será en inglés. La idea es hacer un repaso de 20-30 minutos sobre Dash. Incluirá los masternodes, darksend, instantX y blockchain governance. Al final vamos a intentar conectar con Evan Duffield vía Skype para la ronda de preguntas, pero habrá que ver si somos capaces de hacerlo funcionar de forma decente. Aleix ha organizado esto y grabará un vídeo, que luego publicaremos junto con la presentación. Yo iré a Barcelona específicamente para esto y pago el viaje de mi bolsillo. Si alguien quiere y puede ayudar a cubrir los costes, cualquier donativo es más que bienvenido (XcuTUeqH3zQmrfWQB3APRWLWkvM2fshpQc), pero iré en cualquier caso Estamos a pocas horas del meetup de presentación de Dash en Barcelona, permitidme este pequeño *bump*. Ya tenemos a 44 personas apuntadas, más los que llegan sin apuntarse (siempre hay alguno), más la gente del e-crime forum. Espero que tengamos suficientes sillas Cómo siempre sois todos muy bienvenidos. En los próximos días y si todo va bien espero publicar el vídeo de la intervención de Fernando. |
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I'm presenting Dash at the Barcelona Bitcoin Meetup in Barcelona next Tuesday. To any dasher around the area... please come and help spread the word! http://www.meetup.com/bitcoin-barcelona/events/222636340/The Barcelona BTC meetup is the biggest in Spain and one of the most attended ones in Europe. Besides the usual attendance (30-40 people), all people at the Bitcoin panel in the Symposium on Electronic Crime Research (eCrime 2015), that takes place in Barcelona that same day, are invited: https://apwg.org/apwg-events/ecrime2015/The organization expects many of them to go to the meetup and this could be a good opportunity to present Dash in a more friendly way to this audience. I will do a 20-30 min overview of Dash, covering masternodes, darksend, instantX and blockchain governance. We will try to connect with Evan via Skype for the Q&A, but we don't know for sure yet because we need to test the audio at the venue first. aleix made this possible and he will record the presentation. We'll make the video and the deck available so anyone can use. I will be travelling to Barcelona specifically for this. Depending onf the final arrangements, I expect the cost of the train and the hotel to be around 200-250 EUR (80-100 DASH). I'll be doing this anyway, but donations to help cover the costs are more than welcomed My address is XcuTUeqH3zQmrfWQB3APRWLWkvM2fshpQc If there is any excess over the cost, I'll tip attendees who download the wallet after the event so they can try Dash. 24 hours to go! Please spread the word! |
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El próximo martes 26 de mayo tendremos una quedada que me hace especial ilusión: - Manfred (creador y desarrollador principal de Bitsquare) nos hará una presentación sobre Bitcoin y seguridad, y presentará las últimas novedades de su proyecto. Un lujazo tenerlo en la comunidad y conseguir que nos hable de vez en cuando - Después de más de un año de encuentros por fin haremos una presentación de Dash; será a cargo de cargo de Fernando (vicepresidente de la Fundación Dash) y miraremos de tener a Evan (desarrollador principal) por videoconferencia. Por primera vez grabaremos el acto en vídeo, o sea que si todo va bien en unos días colgaremos las charlas en este hilo. os esperamos, |
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El otro día me lo explicaban (no recuerdo quien exactamente) en el meetup de BCN; esta gente se dedica, o se quiere dedicar, a la microminería de Bitcoin.
Quieren introducir chips mineros en todo tipo de dispositivos, para que vayan minando sin que te des cuenta. Hablaban, por ejemplo, de poner chips mineros en los cargadores de móviles.
Así, cómo idea general no me parece mal, el problema es que la empresa se queda el 70% de lo minado y tu el 30% (no recuerdo exactamente los porcentajes pero era de este orden). Aparte de la centralización, etc..
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