I think the idea and concept is pretty neat. I couldn't imagine living on one of these things personally.
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
Why does everyone automatically think a seastead has to have some super expensive space technology? It's mostly boat like. We use boat tech. A toilet that pumps water like on a boat. Water maker like on a boat. As flammable as a boat. We have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen. No flying cars or 2 million dollar submarines.No hydrofoil boats for commuting. We use solar for electricity with gas generator backup and propane for cooking. No nuclear power or thorium power plant. Where does the waste go, directly into the ocean or into a holding tank like a boat? I guess shit floating around your house isn't a big deal? What if I am having a swim and a neighbour flushes a big turd? Honestly space toilets, hydrofoil boat cars and a thorium power plant sounds way cooler!  Production versions will likely use composting toilets. Fertilizer can be used for plants on the deck or tossed overboard. The ocean is kinda big. Fish, whales, dolphins poop in it all the time. If you want the nasty truth...pooping into the ocean is a good thing. The fish and micro-organisms eat that stuff right up and thrive. Right! I mean, how many people on the beach don't pee in the water now and again? But you don't find it washed up on shore very often, right?  The question is - in simple terms, without reading Joe's book - what are the advantages of Seasteading over joined-houseboat living or something else?  Sovereignty. Not just in the aspect of individuals being sovereign, but starting from sovereignty and growing from there. Meaning any community that forms starts from scratch when it comes to laws. You can put some house boats together and have your own laws. But those are in addition to the nation whose harbor you are sitting in. So you are basically the same as boaters in a marina with some additional marina regulations. |
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I think the idea and concept is pretty neat. I couldn't imagine living on one of these things personally.
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
Why does everyone automatically think a seastead has to have some super expensive space technology? It's mostly boat like. We use boat tech. A toilet that pumps water like on a boat. Water maker like on a boat. As flammable as a boat. We have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen. No flying cars or 2 million dollar submarines.No hydrofoil boats for commuting. We use solar for electricity with gas generator backup and propane for cooking. No nuclear power or thorium power plant. Where does the waste go, directly into the ocean or into a holding tank like a boat? I guess shit floating around your house isn't a big deal? What if I am having a swim and a neighbour flushes a big turd? Honestly space toilets, hydrofoil boat cars and a thorium power plant sounds way cooler! Production versions will likely use composting toilets. Fertilizer can be used for plants on the deck or tossed overboard. The ocean is kinda big. Fish, whales, dolphins poop in it all the time. If you want the nasty truth...pooping into the ocean is a good thing. The fish and micro-organisms eat that stuff right up and thrive. |
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The difference from a boat is the sovereignty part.
That is what I figured.. As far as I know, from very limited research, every boat has to be registered to some country. I guess your "seastead" somehow gets around this because it is "not a boat"? Can you explain some about how that works? So if your seastead is sovereign doesn't that make it a country like that oil platform country? Does this give your country your 12 mile and other zones of sea around your country that your seastead country controls?  Do you get your zones like those? Hypothetically, could you move your seastead next to an active oil platform that is in unclaimed international waters, to put it into your exclusive economical zone, and then tax the shit out of that oil company? lol Could I register my sailboat to your seastead, or, could I buy my own seastead and register my own sailboat to my own seastead country and therefore have a sovereign sailboat while it is outside the zone of any other country? I have no plans on becoming a nation. The first 20 owners will be laying the ground work for future governance. If they want to move in that direction then that will be the direction of seasteading in the near term. Personally, I don't want to be a citizen of any country that would have me. |
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I think the idea and concept is pretty neat. I couldn't imagine living on one of these things personally.
Do these things come equipped with those space station toilets that recycle human waste back to water and then feed plants with the "nutrients"?
How much of the structure is flammable and is there any built in fire suppression, like at least a pump to the ocean with hose connections internally for fire fighting?
Why does everyone automatically think a seastead has to have some super expensive space technology? It's mostly boat like. We use boat tech. A toilet that pumps water like on a boat. Water maker like on a boat. As flammable as a boat. We have a fire extinguisher in the kitchen. No flying cars or 2 million dollar submarines.No hydrofoil boats for commuting. We use solar for electricity with gas generator backup and propane for cooking. No nuclear power or thorium power plant. |
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So what's the deal with Coinbase limits? I logged in after a while and I'm limited to $200 per day transfer from my bank account.
I have everything verified. How do I request an increase?
I heard there's just a button for that somewhere. Press and it goes through? Nah...looks like they hate money. |
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So what's the deal with Coinbase limits? I logged in after a while and I'm limited to $200 per day transfer from my bank account.
I have everything verified. How do I request an increase?
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Any time I've checked out boat rentals you can usually buy the boat for about 4 to 6 months of rental. I'm planning on buying a cheap $10k small boat now then buy something better later. It just needs to float and get me 12 nautical miles. We're also in high season here so all the boat prices are more expensive. |
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The price...
FML
May is too far away. I need to buy a few things now.
I guess I convert from my US dollars to bitcoins to baht instead of just selling at these prices.
I am sorry to hear that Elwar. I had rather assumed that you, chasing your dreams with such abandon, were well and truly set up from the previous runups. Perhaps you are more courageous than I realized. I don't understand any clear explanation regarding how someone like Elwar could be doing very badly, unless there is some part of the story that is left out. Seems to me that he made a really BIG gamble when BTC prices were in the $500s and even overleveraged into BTC, but why wouldn't that overleveraging have paid off, even if he has to shave off some BTC from time to time in order to cover expenses and even if he is only getting 6x or 7x returns rather than 30x? Any of us who chose to place a very large amount of our total reserves into bitcoin is going to have to cash out from time to time because the world remains run on fiat and priced in fiat, at least expected for a considerable time into the future. Personally, I believe that it remains much more prudent to have some of your cashflow figured out in fiat for 6-12 months in advance - and if bear trends continue for longer, then the next plan is going to involve dipping into bitcoin, especially if you have caused such a situation in your own way of keeping a large amount of your total value in BTC. So far in BTC's history, such a plan to keep a large amount of value in BTC will have worked for a large number of folks, if they front load, and if their cashing out plan has at least a few years. Actually, if there was front loading in late 2013 in the supra $1k price territory, it would have taken 4 years to get into the break even territory, but then to really prosper after that, as long as there was an ability to hang on for a bit longer. Who knows if such plans to frontload and to have 3-4 year plus timelines will continue to pay off in bitcoin in the coming years? Does seem that odds remain decently well in such plans and practices continuing to be quite profitable, even though risky, but there likely could be a need to have several years in the personal plan's timeline in order to be able to really insure that the reaping of benefits is going to be profitable without being forced to withdraw too much of the value during low price periods. I need to buy a boat soon...I don't want to sell at the bottom. I have cash set aside that I can live on through 2020...but not "I can buy a sail boat" cash...puts me closer to living through 2019. Then again...on the seastead I will only need to pay for food that I don't catch. And about $12 for Internet each month. No property taxes, electric, water... Occassional propane and gasoline re-fill. So maybe I am putting myself to 2025 funds... |
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I don't want seastead nations just as I do not want Bitcoin banks.
Collaborate as you see fit or don't collaborate at all.
I'm not saying "let's end nation states" I'm saying, let's create a better alternative.
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How many churches do you plan on having? Seasteading is a good way to prepare the attitude for community space stations. A proper PMA (private membership association) is like a seastead on land, right within the governmentally controlled space. Can only be done within a nation, if the nation is a common law land. May as well ask Lagoon or Catalina how many of the boats they make are going to be used as churches. Ocean Builders just builds seasteads. We are leaving it to the first 20 owners to design the foundation for future seastead systems. If you want to help decide what systems will be used for future seasteading then you should go to https://ocean.builders and fill out the form stating that you're interested in buying one. Though just because the first 20 may decide on one system it does not imply that everyone else must follow it. But they will have first mover advantage with network affect. |
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This is very interesting to me..
I had to read your 2 threads here, some on the 2 forums, and your site before posting..
What are the advantages of a seastead platform over a boat? Is it registration laws?
I have been thinking using a sailboat to travel and live cheaply so I am already interested in being on the ocean but moreso to see interesting places and live happily on a relatively small budget, escape the rat race, than for the purpose of escaping laws. Actually traveling in a sailboat would be inflicting myself to all sorts of terrible laws depending on where I was visiting at the time.
I am behind the idealism of being sovereign but I don't think it would be worth it for me to have to live on a tiny space way out in the water. I think it would get very boring..
What are you going to do out there to stay occupied? Are you planning to do anything profitable out there through the advantage of no laws?
It sounds great being out there governed only by yourself but what are you going to do then? I imagine it would be fun for a minute and then get very boring.
One of these seastead things looks very easy and cheap to build. I already have a few ideas of how to build the spar cheap and easy with used materials.
Why don't you put a buoyant doughnut around your spar and use it to generate energy from the waves?
I like the idea of the spar being float height adjustable by pumping water in and out of it like a submarine. It sounds like a cool way of building a boat lift out in the water for maintenance.
The production versions will have active mooring which will allow you to move your home as you see fit. If you don't like your neighbors...just move. As for initially being occupied. My gf and I will have plenty to do. We lived in a small bungalow in Tahiti and spent most of our time there. Her cooking and me on the 'net or reading. We can go SCUBA diving and swimming. I plan on growing a coral garden on the spar and raising reef fish. Drone fishing... Most importantly we have Internet so I'll never get bored. And we can go into town. Either to Phuket or one of the islands. But I imagine as people begin moving out there we will be very busy helping the newcomers get adjusted. |
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Not everyone is like the US. Seasteading gets downplayed a lot because it likely cannot happen anywhere near the US. Because of hurricanes, huge waves and the US Navy. There is a world outside of the US though.  |
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If they see your car they know who you are and where you live, unless you use dummy cars...
"They" are normal people. If the state really wants to find me they will, but no reason to just hand everything over. Let them spend a dime on it. Lotsa talk on Twitter today how blockchain analytics is just a scam to rip off law enforcement agencies because it doesn’t actually work. I've considered creating some sort of honey pot paid access guide on how to do XYZ illegal thing. Charge a couple thousand dollars to access it. Then just let law enforcement pay to access it to collect their evidence. Only to find that it's just cat pics. I was thinking the same honeypot for journalists but they don't actually research anything, they'd just report that it exists without ever checking it out. |
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The price...
FML
May is too far away. I need to buy a few things now.
I guess I convert from my US dollars to bitcoins to baht instead of just selling at these prices.
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There are already boating communities.
At 12nm out you have no laws other than things like resource laws (no drilling for oil, etc.) and no interfering with customs. The law of the sea which prevents "egregious acts" such as murder, slave trade, etc.
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There's the barebones minimum vs fully macked out version.
I figure there will be add ons like A/C, more solar, dynamic positioning system, teak floors, upgraded kitchen, etc.
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If your not protected by any country can't a group of pirates just overtake your seastead and there is nothing you can do about it.
That's the thing. We have no country preventing us from doing something about it. |
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Got a pic of the seastead?
This is a picture before it goes onto the spar.  Unfortunately waves were too bad on launch day so we are waiting a week to combine them. What does it have so far as electricity and water filtration? Doohickies in general? Here are the specs http://www.seasteadtalk.org/forum/engineering-discussion/51-xlii-specsWe put the platform on the spar next week. Weather was horrible on our last attempt. |
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Got a pic of the seastead?
This is a picture before it goes onto the spar. Unfortunately waves were too bad on launch day so we are waiting a week to combine them. |
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Seastead nation starts at zero debt. All nations are now behind us on the economic balance sheet.  |
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