Apologies if this has been covered before, but what will happen if a batch if not completed (in a reasonable amount of time)? I'm asking since batch 6 begun on June 6 and, as far as I can see, only 643 chips have been paid for as of right now.
Then steamboat will have a bunch of chips for his own mining operation he wasnt planning on! |
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Holy crap you are all joining in the noirbits network and raising my difficulty stop it!
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Noirbits is doing fine so far without the exchange so who cares?
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The exchanges usually have to tweak the backend to work with their system. So no eta, not that they would give me one anyway. I generally see them appear on exchanges in 1-2 weeks.
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ok ahh - to Operatr and Janslee -
I just want to bring up something i posted earlier : -
I’ll summarize it :
" FPGA Devs and large potential buyers and others should be careful because C++ (and other codes) can evolve faster than hardware, and markets generally find a balance that tends toward distribution in this evolutionary information environment"
and now eMuni is in its second Beta - so was I correct ?
i guess we will find out , but if i was correct , it was record time , i'm usually not correct like this for years , but we do live in exponential times ! : D
Operatr - i know by reading back to the thread that you were busy and missed my point and thought i was talking about a 51% attack when i said that so i thought i'd carify it and tell you i was talking about market forces and confidence.
Its Jasinlee not Janslee  eMuni hasn't been proven yet. Lets see it out in the wild being bashed by everyone then we may see whether it can compete or not. The thread has the OP saying something to the effect of "it does not have a magical algo" well I didn't read the whole thread, but I didn't see anything saying how the hashing/processing functions on the network. As for evolving faster than hardware.....how would we know if we haven't had a chance to toy with it? And who is to say the fpga we produce wouldn't hash faster on the network than any gpu could achieve? And to that point, who says I couldn't have my EE produce a kernel for EMU inside of a day to hash on a gpu or an fpga. |
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Woot noirbits coming to 2 exchanges now. They will post here when the info goes public.
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Oh boy.. Here we go again (and again, and again, ad nauseum on a daily basis). Can't we go one single day without someone armchair-engineering a hypothetical FPGA or ASIC-based scrypt miner based on a back-of-napkin calculation and immediately posting performance numbers and pricing before they've even tried to write an actual real Verilog implementation of scrypt+salsa? I did some back of the envelop calculations myself, and while I think that scrypt can be done in a FPGA are a 2:1 cost advantage over GPUs, I'm not sure what the power will be, so I'd have to do a prototype on a development board. Not sure I want to spend all that time without knowing that a lot of people would buy it.
I've never don'e FPGAs before
The fastest way to spot someone who doesn't know what they're talking about is when they start claiming they're going to implement an FPGA scrypt miner with a cost/performance ratio exceeding GPU's, with any commercially available FPGA currently on the market (or in the process of coming onto the market). At least you did admit that you've never done any FPGA work previously though. Propagation times and clock fanout skew on FPGA's are extremely slow relative to ASIC clock fanout and signal routing, if that's your background. You can achieve nowhere even close to the clock fanout and signal propagation performance on FPGA's than you may be expecting, if you're coming from an ASIC background. If you do have an ASIC background, then pretend that you're working on a design and throwing in tens to hundreds of extra buffers or muxes (representing the switching fabric of the FPGA) on every one of your signals between logic elements, and you'll get the general idea of what you'll be dealing with performance-wise when getting info FPGA development. A back-of-envelope calculation is not valid for making a performance claim and estimated pricing. Your result is overoptimistic by almost an order of magnitude for any commercially available FPGA, if you're expecting a 2:1 cost/performance edge over, say, a Radeon 6xxx or 7xxx GPU. There are only so many (known) ways to calculate scrypt+salsa(1024,1,1) between the two ends of the TMTO spectrum. There isn't going to be something totally revolutionary unless someone devises a cryptographic attack against scrypt that significantly shortcuts the effort needed to calculate an scrypt hash. And at that point, the same attack would be equally applicable to speeding up GPU scrypt implementations. +1 |
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Everyone is solo mining. But its going well on solo.
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Anyone able to write the script as a template for us as a guide that we can modify into the 15 minutes requested?
sent a msg Ok replied, lets get this rolling. |
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Flash is dying fast. I don't bother installing the old versions that do work because already I get warnings that they do not plan to have any new versions work, so I might as well just get used to the fact that flash is just another walled garden I not only do not want anything to do with but also could not have anything to do with even if I wanted to because its that they don't want me in there not that I wouldn't've continued to grudgingly install their stupid proprietary crap from "network effects" unwashed-masses-pressure if they continued to make it actually work.
TL;DR: Flash is not going to be working on Linux going forward, so no one on Linux is likely to bother installing some long out of date version of a proprietary viewer just to view some adumentary...
Surely there must be some free open source animation system by now?
I would even argue that it is totally inappropriate, even undermining of DeVCoin principles, to be using some non open source crap to make our videos. It is a kind of misrepresentation even maybe, or at the least it implies that we too agree that free open source software is unsuitable for use for real world applications such as educational videos...
FOR SURE WE CANNOT PAY BOUNTY ON IT, RIGHT?
The entire content becomes non free-open-source by being unusable without a proprietary viewer???
-MarkM-
Let's see, I've send you a .swf file because it's really light, but of course it won't be the final format file. The other option was to send you a video file from near 1GB, instead of this 24kb file. Flash is the software I use, actionscript is the language I use, but that does not mean that you will need a propietary viewer. I think you did not get what is open source and what is flash. I am not telling that you'll need to have installed Flash in order to see the video. You asked me for a sample of the video and I showed that. Adobe Flash is just a tool to create a video file. HTML5 animation is not useful for us, because it'd be less supported and it'd last years and years to load a 15' animation. If I make a video file, you just can embed it into your website using .ogg, .mp4 or .webm. So markm, I think you are a programmer (correct me if wrong). Have you ever worked with designers? All this non open source crap you are talking about is basically the only crap we have to design. It's not wonderful, I know, but it's what we have. It is not about the software we use, but about the content we create. The licenses don't enter at the creation software and tools level, just on the content and creations. Please don't hesitate to ask any doubt you have, but please don't talk without knowledge of the situation, as a lot of people here in devcoin community does. On the other side, I think that if I have to be funded by donations the best way to work is to keep uploading all the new versions, in order to let you know where am I and what I am doing, so if you don't like you just have to say it. So, the first sample is the following (cool formats for everybody): .ogv: https://mega.co.nz/#!Es9QjJAS!NB5pZEt4dWP7BmcDrIeba2UGu2EGVHZujzgnEMqjnfY .mp4: https://mega.co.nz/#!Rw1xhAwB!GYnGhTr9K4YrEhWl_I6kvgfGLZlrSajxFYCr2rGJs4o .webm: https://mega.co.nz/#!sll0zKaL!ede6gSVOR26bFyXxGBx0Ph7BagAVr-usz-4usXIUN94 Marticps I would say just post your own donation address, and we can just send you coins directly. Please specify type that you would prefer btc/ltc/dvc etc. BTC: 13oSBu1fFzLs157TWJY7bkVSoMab69zKNn DVC: 1MFKi4r2U89o8w5YSxE4BfcTxmgg6wMpci We are making an explanation video for Devcoin as a whole. We'll make an animation video with an voice over. (Kinda like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um63OQz3bjo ) Do we have a final devcoin logo to use that is voted upon? Or can we push that vote up to now if possible. Needs Clarification: - Marticps does the animation, but needs a script, if someone is proficient at script writing please stand up.
If someone already started a script who is it so we can mark you down. - There is a small bounty available for producing a video, but considering that the rules dont really allow for expanding on it, we are asking for pledged donations for marticps as this is a monumental task and very important step to building up devcoin.
- There was not a certain date set for the video to be produced, but I am sure the bitcoin education site would like to have it sooner rather than later.
I am planning on doing the voice over for free for the video.
Any comments please discuss. Only a few points: The video should be about 15 minutes. I find it maybe too long. My skills can't do something as the video jasinlee posted, don't expect that please. I try to do something simple but pretty ( https://mega.co.nz/#!Zp8TBCSQ!HsgP-z2rdA3rzy0c28TP20K7b6NOdmgbsb46p4QfHbw (Flash required, I hope fonts are embedded)). I will do the animation in function of the script. It'd be better to record the off-voice before or to add timing at the script, in order to make the video and the audio fit in a proper way. Thanks Anyone able to write the script as a template for us as a guide that we can modify into the 15 minutes requested? And markm, have you ever thought of looking for a solution, then posting that theorized solution instead of just explaining why something is so terrible ? This is a think tank not a whine tank. |
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No no we should let mark have his way and not pay him for his work since that makes more sense.
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Flash is dying fast. I don't bother installing the old versions that do work because already I get warnings that they do not plan to have any new versions work, so I might as well just get used to the fact that flash is just another walled garden I not only do not want anything to do with but also could not have anything to do with even if I wanted to because its that they don't want me in there not that I wouldn't've continued to grudgingly install their stupid proprietary crap from "network effects" unwashed-masses-pressure if they continued to make it actually work.
TL;DR: Flash is not going to be working on Linux going forward, so no one on Linux is likely to bother installing some long out of date version of a proprietary viewer just to view some adumentary...
Surely there must be some free open source animation system by now?
I would even argue that it is totally inappropriate, even undermining of DeVCoin principles, to be using some non open source crap to make our videos. It is a kind of misrepresentation even maybe, or at the least it implies that we too agree that free open source software is unsuitable for use for real world applications such as educational videos...
FOR SURE WE CANNOT PAY BOUNTY ON IT, RIGHT?
The entire content becomes non free-open-source by being unusable without a proprietary viewer???
-MarkM-
After the video is created, we can convert it to something more available to the masses. Who cares what he writes it in initially? Let him choose his method, then we will be thankful we have someone talented enough to create it and just convert it after the fact if we dont like flash. |
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That little 10 litecoins written on them must be ambiguous.
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We are making an explanation video for Devcoin as a whole. We'll make an animation video with an voice over. (Kinda like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um63OQz3bjo ) Do we have a final devcoin logo to use that is voted upon? Or can we push that vote up to now if possible. Needs Clarification: - Marticps does the animation, but needs a script, if someone is proficient at script writing please stand up.
If someone already started a script who is it so we can mark you down. - There is a small bounty available for producing a video, but considering that the rules dont really allow for expanding on it, we are asking for pledged donations for marticps as this is a monumental task and very important step to building up devcoin.
- There was not a certain date set for the video to be produced, but I am sure the bitcoin education site would like to have it sooner rather than later.
I am planning on doing the voice over for free for the video.
Any comments please discuss. Only a few points: The video should be about 15 minutes. I find it maybe too long. My skills can't do something as the video jasinlee posted, don't expect that please. I try to do something simple but pretty ( https://mega.co.nz/#!Zp8TBCSQ!HsgP-z2rdA3rzy0c28TP20K7b6NOdmgbsb46p4QfHbw (Flash required, I hope fonts are embedded)). I will do the animation in function of the script. It'd be better to record the off-voice before or to add timing at the script, in order to make the video and the audio fit in a proper way. Thanks Anyone able to write the script as a template for us as a guide that we can modify into the 15 minutes requested? |
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We are making an explanation video for Devcoin as a whole. We'll make an animation video with an voice over. (Kinda like this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um63OQz3bjo ) Do we have a final devcoin logo to use that is voted upon? Or can we push that vote up to now if possible. Needs Clarification: - Marticps does the animation, but needs a script, if someone is proficient at script writing please stand up.
If someone already started a script who is it so we can mark you down. - There is a small bounty available for producing a video, but considering that the rules dont really allow for expanding on it, we are asking for pledged donations for marticps as this is a monumental task and very important step to building up devcoin.
- There was not a certain date set for the video to be produced, but I am sure the bitcoin education site would like to have it sooner rather than later.
I am planning on doing the voice over for free for the video.
Any comments please discuss. Only a few points: The video should be about 15 minutes. I find it maybe too long. My skills can't do something as the video jasinlee posted, don't expect that please. I try to do something simple but pretty ( https://mega.co.nz/#!Zp8TBCSQ!HsgP-z2rdA3rzy0c28TP20K7b6NOdmgbsb46p4QfHbw (Flash required, I hope fonts are embedded)). I will do the animation in function of the script. It'd be better to record the off-voice before or to add timing at the script, in order to make the video and the audio fit in a proper way. Thanks Anyone able to write the script as a template for us as a guide that we can modify into the 15 minutes requested? |
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Looks nice, but if so, that 1/2 oz silver 10 LiteCoin round is still only worth 1/2 oz silver, about $10 -
If its current rate of 10 LTC =  at least. Not sure where you get $10. Current price of silver is $21.81 oz, So that half oz coin is worth $10.90, it dosent matter what it says on it, you can put anything you want on a silver coin, its easy to do and it dosent make it worth anymore, silver is silver. It would be stupid to pay $20 or $30 for a $10 piece of silver. I'm assuming that these will each be loaded with the private key to 10 LTC - like the Casascius Bitcoins. So $10.90 plus $23.79 plus premium to cover manufacturing costs and some profit for the guy making them. Gotta be looking at around 40 bucks each. Yea but when you go to sell them no one is going to pay that premium you spent, so your losing money on them.. They are strictly souvenir coins. A big enough company puts any design on a coin they want and sell them for pennies above spot... apmex.com - providentmetals.com - I am a gold and silver investor, I never buy anything with a premium, because your just losing money on it, but thats just me... Well if casascius silver coins are any indication, you are wrong. When those first came out, it cost about $80. About 10 bitcoins at $4 each + 1oz silver at $30 + $10 premium. Check out how much they went for on ebay recently: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sop=13&_from=R40&_sacat=0&LH_Complete=1&_nkw=casascius+silver&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=ncGranted btc price is >$100 now, but the premium on these are still huge. Keep on preaching it, no one believes you aquaman, we have seen this all before and the early adopters made out like bandits. lol, preaching what? I said they looked cool, I would like to have one, im just stating facts based on experience. Amateur... Name: AquaMan
Posts: 73
Position: Jr. Member
Date Registered: June 10, 2013, 01:57:40 AM You are so experienced and trusted on this forum, I will defer to your great wisdom. |
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well, in windows is not 3 commands cause u need the libraries in order, libraries u cant get from a magical apt-get, and anyway you need to edit the .pro because it is set to compile with in linux.
So it is not the same.
I could switch to linux, do a git and a make but as i saw this unfair release i didnt even care. Nobody was forcing you to release it that day, was your decision to leave MOST of users without the option to mine it with diff 0 (and as it was your decision, it was your plan => premine)
by the way, i am actually no mining this shit, i would even mine CHN before it.
OH MY WORD..... did you even read? everyone from linux to windows and even osx knows you have to install your os dependencies. How old are you? Magical apt-get here is your windows "magic apt-get". you are so lazy you can't even google a simple thing. It's people like you who drive dev's insane. you basically want me to spoon feed you everything. Look here https://github.com/foocoin/deps.git and if you expect anymore help, learn to ask politely. you've already done enough damage with your silly claims of premine. This is the only coin in months that hasnt had a premine, instamine or needed a rape kit at anytime. wow the butthurt is strong in you. oh and good luck with CHN, i'll see you in a few years when this coin is king of the hill! SO, it was this simple and u didnt compile it for windows. PREMINE! and i was just meaning, i only called this shit coin premine. (well, there is other, but that was in the tittle called premined) The butthurt is strong with this one. |
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Tom - to delete the message just hit 'edit this page', delete the text, save. Unthinkingbit shoudl get back to you soon, esp as he messaged you which is probably about your dvc address
Ah cool I was looking at the separate sub-section edit links. I guess the address thing might be to do with me changing the payment address at the time of block 92998 or so cause I managed to mess up the devcoin client by updating net framework, so quickly installed it on my sisters pc! I've checked it and is definitely the correct one. One thing I had wondered though: it seems to be possible to go onto another user's page and edit the coin payment address. obviously I didn't click save but is this not a huge oversight in security? I doubt everyone checks their own payout address regularly; using a vanity address generator it wouldn't be too hard to imitate the first few characters to make the thief's address look very similar! I'm not sure about the wallet address as I don't have anything to do with that side of things. Sounds like it should be easily resolved though. The devtome security - yep this issue came up a while ago as a concern. From what I remember those with better knowledge than me were looking into how to change the configs to address it, along with enabling picture uploads. I don't know where anyone is with that, although I guess we'll now hear soon, but that's one of the reasons a message goes round before the final receiver file is put together to ensure wordcounts correspond to addresses which correspond with persons. Pictures have been resolved, as for the user page, we have not found a decent solution for it yet. |
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Looks nice, but if so, that 1/2 oz silver 10 LiteCoin round is still only worth 1/2 oz silver, about $10 -
If its current rate of 10 LTC = at least. Not sure where you get $10. Current price of silver is $21.81 oz, So that half oz coin is worth $10.90, it dosent matter what it says on it, you can put anything you want on a silver coin, its easy to do and it dosent make it worth anymore, silver is silver. It would be stupid to pay $20 or $30 for a $10 piece of silver. I'm assuming that these will each be loaded with the private key to 10 LTC - like the Casascius Bitcoins. So $10.90 plus $23.79 plus premium to cover manufacturing costs and some profit for the guy making them. Gotta be looking at around 40 bucks each. Yea but when you go to sell them no one is going to pay that premium you spent, so your losing money on them.. They are strictly souvenir coins. A big enough company puts any design on a coin they want and sell them for pennies above spot... apmex.com - providentmetals.com - I am a gold and silver investor, I never buy anything with a premium, because your just losing money on it, but thats just me... Well if casascius silver coins are any indication, you are wrong. When those first came out, it cost about $80. About 10 bitcoins at $4 each + 1oz silver at $30 + $10 premium. Check out how much they went for on ebay recently: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sop=13&_from=R40&_sacat=0&LH_Complete=1&_nkw=casascius+silver&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&rt=ncGranted btc price is >$100 now, but the premium on these are still huge. Keep on preaching it, no one believes you aquaman, we have seen this all before and the early adopters made out like bandits. |
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Marticps I would say just post your own donation address, and we can just send you coins directly. Please specify type that you would prefer btc/ltc/dvc etc.
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