Even though it only shows the 5GH/s cases on flat surfaces, each one is potentially a case with a fan in it, and that's the main thing, it also shows that BFL is making photographs of product, instead of just shipping product. Thus exposing the shill claims of trolls here as massively over optimistic.

Nope, you can hang on to your smug smile for a while longer...

The pricing for BFL chips is extremely goofy. The better performing chips are actually cheaper per engine, so until BFL updates their prices there's no reason to purchase anything but Grade A chips.

As for why you would choose the BFL chips over the Avalon ones, I would say that BFL's present more interesting opportunities for board and cooling design. The BFL ASICs consume less power than their Avalon counterparts, and the lower device count per GH simplifies board design. If both were available immediately at the current prices I think it'd be a no-brainer.

The big question for BFL (and Avalon) is whether they can actually deliver on the timelines they've talked about. Both of them have had huge issues with getting production out the door for completed miners, but chips sales should be much simpler. It's been 7 weeks since people started paying for Avalon chip sales now. If Avalon does get their chips out in the next 3 weeks as promised, 3+ months for BFL chips will be hard to justify. If Avalon is late (and they're already 3 weeks late on providing samples), it might be closer.

This advantage turns negative when taking into account that these chips theoretically arrive 4 to 5 weeks after avalon chips arrive when ordered at the same time. In this time the difficulty grow so much that there is no advantage anymore or even an disadvantage.

This was always going to be a longshot for them. They are experts at marketing their products to unsophisticated buyers (not pumping up my own tyres, they got me as well). Anyone contemplating buying chips themselves is likely an order of magnitude better informed and would see that the risk of buying BFL chips doesn't justify the premium. Only by shipping all product lines in volume will BFL demostrate that their chip issues are behind them.

It's catch-22. If the chips worked properly they would have had developers begging them to release them. Because the chips don't work very well they need to sell more to get a better volume price. But no one experienced will want to buy chips to help them do that.

Maybe Avalon should simply buy a large lot of chips and design Avalon MK2 to run on bfl chips. Sure would solve a lot a problems for them and bfl.

Yes, I'm not a BFL customer, just trying to protect my ass elsewhere.

I also spoke to Paypal, they will do nothing for you after 45 days, aside stop the seller from using Paypal if enough complaints are received...

I read elsewhere that visa and mcards 180 day warranty is invalid with third party payment via Paypal, so rang a my card issuer and Paypal.

Paypal wouldn't confirm anything but their 45 day window, surprisingly my card company was willing.

I have them on record saying that as I recorded the conversation.

Respective banks handle disputes in their own way so don't take my situation for granted. This is only for credit cards, not debit, but again your bank maybe different. I'm not in the US.

Any BFL customer should have done this beforehand. It was their responsibility, but greed blinds...and I've seen f**k all due diligence applied to most 'investments' here!

That's what I thought, but it's not the case; apparently depends on the card issuer. I've been looking into this and speaking to banks...

PayPal does...

Only credit card companies might save their ass (consumer)...

It was real but:

(Josh in the Shoutbox)

Dude ASICs cost between $0.5 - $2 each to manufacture dependant on volume of chips and intricacy of mask layers.

I hope they do, just to rub it in your face! It's clowns like yourself that try and equate the supply of a single component with the supply of a completed whole item. If it were just chip supply that was holding up the pre-orders they would have been out the door weeks ago. Why not pick on long torex screws, or cases, they need those too.

Jun.2.2013: Another lie

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/pre-sales-questions/3026-forced-refunds.html#post37336

"BFL_Josh BFL is not doing forced refunds on anyone. Whoever you purchased through is lying to you."

Or it is total BS, which from these guy seems totally likely.

Remember, not one unit of the newer BitForce line has shipped, at all. Just a few Jalepenos so far, which is an older one before that little refresh when it was obvious their first design was flawed.

Now they suddenly can handle additional demand to ship bulk chips too?  

Just FYI, I'm still sceptical of whether I should escrow BFL chip group buys. :/ I would prefer that the chips were somewhat more confirmed before even starting this as given their track record, 100 days could easily turn into 1000 days... (and I'll need to hold the coins for god knows how long )

I think you are prob a little bit off here. With BFL offering the $100 upgrade from 5-7 gh/s for Jalapeño I am assuming that what that 'upgrade' consists of is that they use Class A chips instead of class C/D. This gives them a little better margins if they can use 13-15 engine binned chips for the 5 gh/s jalapeños.

Still not impressive margins, OR of course they may have MASSIVE margins on the bulk chip sales. Hard to know.