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2441  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: November 29, 2020, 09:25:43 PM
How pity race ended for Perez. He had almost guaranted 3rd place, but his engine failed few laps before finnish.

He's a very good driver. It's crazy that he might not even get a contract anywhere for next year. He's a lot better than some of the other drivers around. He's fifth in the championship, but if it wasn't for bad luck he'd be a long way clear of the others in fourth place. I think as it stands Red Bull is his only option... surely they won't stick with Albon next year?!?
2442  Economy / Services / Re: [OPEN] Bitamp Signature Campaign | Full Member & Hero/Legendary - $25-$50/Week on: November 29, 2020, 06:09:36 PM
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2443  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: November 29, 2020, 06:08:10 PM
Yes, it's unbelievable that he could manage to just walk away from that. Incredible work by the FIA and by those who pushed so hard for the halo system to be adopted... there can be zero doubt now about its effectiveness.
That said, accidents like this shouldn't happen. I'm sure there will be a huge investigation into this, particularly with the next race being at the same track.
2444  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Privacy Culture Manifesto on: November 29, 2020, 07:34:48 AM
OP was aimed directly at a deliberate modification of a value system.  Via both positive reïnforcement and negative deterrence.

I find it interesting and thought-provoking, but if you printed it out and nailed it to the church door in Wittenberg, it would just be ignored. How might we convince society as a whole?
Why? I thought some famous guy nailed nine or ten theorats to some church door or maybe that made him famous.

Nearly. It was Martin Luther King. He nailed a Proud Boy to the door, kickstarting the BLM movement. This led, by an improbable sequence of accidents, to the formation of federal Germany. He even wrote a song about it.
2445  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Privacy Culture Manifesto on: November 28, 2020, 11:37:58 PM
OP was aimed directly at a deliberate modification of a value system.  Via both positive reïnforcement and negative deterrence.

I find it interesting and thought-provoking, but if you printed it out and nailed it to the church door in Wittenberg, it would just be ignored. How might we convince society as a whole?
2446  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Privacy Culture Manifesto on: November 28, 2020, 11:22:49 PM
insane plunge
Apologies. Let's bury my furious Leninist ranting. Or at least embalm it for posterity*. This is, after all, the internet.

*open to the public on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays from 10:00–13:00


the solution to issues such as this lie completely outside the bounds of politics
The simple answer is positive reinforcement for the desired norms
Please could you expand? I can't see how privacy can be solved without either laws (politics) or deliberate modification of a value system (politics). What sort of positive reinforcement? My ideas are just ideas, not a definitive answer. I'd welcome other (and especially conflicting) opinions.



2447  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Privacy Culture Manifesto on: November 28, 2020, 10:27:08 PM
.....but the proletariat...
The proletariat???

... but the proletariat no longer has any power.

... no longer has any power, is:

as dead as the idea of labour as power.

Come on, read to the end of the post. Don't stop at your trigger words!
2448  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Privacy Culture Manifesto on: November 28, 2020, 07:49:11 PM
amateur night at the strip club, where everyone bares all for a few claps.

Privacy has a dimensionality; but it must exist. It does not exist in an individual, but between and among them.
This is of course true, but privacy from other individuals is only the most visible aspect. The insidious side is not identifiable individuals, it's the abstract them. The whole social media business model, the surveillance capitalism, the data harvesting, and the subsequent modelling through behavioural profiling and ever more advanced analytics software... so that they can build a digital you, not just predicting your next move (and purchase), but also surreptitiously guiding you towards it. Location data from your phone tells them that you've spent an hour at the gym, and have just left. Your phone pings: a personally-targeted offer, 20% off drinks at the shop 50m away, but only for the next hour... you have to buy right now! And they know you will; the data tells them that you're thirsty. The fact that Bob can snoop on Alice's profile and see what she's been doing is immaterial. 'They' see all, that's what matters.


What bottom-up, grassroots social norms are needed so that people demand privacy?

What can we do to make respect for privacy into “the new normal”?  —Starting at home, and in local communities, and otherwise in everyday interactions?


A good start may be to question why people continue to expose their social graphs and private communications a service whose founder is reported to have said, “They ‘trust’ me.  Dumb fucks.”

—And thereupon to ask:  What acculturation, leadership, and peer pressure could push the herd-mentality masses to do otherwise?
The easiest answer is misleading as it doesn't resolve the underlying problem. You make people demand privacy by making them value it. The problem is how people perceive value. Society has a ready-made and neatly quantifiable manifestation of value: money. Data is worth money to big tech companies, but is given away for free by the marks customers. If laws are put in place to force social media companies and the other data vampires to pay users for their data, then the users will value it. Of course, the users will then happily sell all of their privacy to the highest bidder, which resolves nothing.

As for bottom-up, grassroots solutions... I'm not convinced that these can ever work in western 'democracies'. The system is too advanced. The people at the top want power, but the majority of people want comfort and an easy life. In rich countries, the slave-masters provide the overwhelming majority of people with a guaranteed comfortable standard of living. The people who want comfort have comfort. They have no incentive to rebel. And even if they did rebel, they have no power. The history of all hitherto existing societies is the history of class struggles... but the proletariat no longer has any power. They can struggle all they want; they will not make even the slightest disturbance. Automation has meant that there is no longer much of a need for a workforce. Muscle power has largely been replaced by machine. Brain power is in the process of being replaced. This isn't the fourteenth century any more.

The populist right works to entrench the current value system. They are not outsiders, they are ultra-insiders. This is why they get elected. The populist left (Sanders, Corbyn, etc.) works to redefine our value system such that money is not the principal driver. They are outsiders. This is why they are demonised (often by their own parties), slandered in the press, and why they fail to get elected. They do build grassroots solutions, but these are mercilessly trodden underfoot. I'm against equality of outcome, but in favour of equality of opportunity, as this works to reduce the oppositional, rat-race nature of society, and entrenched inequalities.

There are many potential ways to solve the privacy problem, but each seems wildly improbable. Modification of the general understanding of what constitutes value, away from money and towards people, is perhaps the least unlikely. The election of a Bernie Sanders type figure who can apply a brake on the excesses of capitalism. The alternatives are unpalatable. Continue as we are, and watch the situation deteriorate ever further. Or await a revolution that can never happen, and an anarchist utopia that can live only in the minds of idealists, or a communist utopia that is as dead as the idea of labour as power.
2449  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Privacy Culture Manifesto on: November 27, 2020, 11:50:27 PM
Trump has warned about the dangers of unrestrained social media and abuse of Section 230. Aside from Rand Paul, I can't think of other American politicians that have these issues on their radar.

How about Biden?

Biden has made it clear that he despises Zuckerberg, and has raised the possibility of revoking Article 230.
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Proponents of Section 230 have long argued that it allows for free speech online. 
"It should be revoked because it is not merely an internet company," said Biden, who noted how a newspaper like the Times has editors and can't simply publish known lies without fear of libel penalties. "It is propagating falsehoods they know to be false, and we should be setting standards not unlike the Europeans are doing relative to privacy."
In response to a question about whether Facebook should be subject to criminal penalties if it's found that harm was done by content, Biden said Zuckerberg "should be submitted to civil liability and his company to civil liability, just like you would be here at The New York Times."
This isn't the first time Biden has spoken out against Facebook or Section 230. He made a similar comment during a November Democratic debate that occurred roughly one month before his sit-down with The Times.
... from the above link. Of course, Biden will do nothing about it, just as Trump did nothing.



BTW - thank you for the merit for my 2001 joke in the other thread. I'm glad someone appreciates my devastating wit.

You were posting here anti-Trump propaganda
Propaganda? Ha! I stand by the below comments. This is pure, unvarnished truth.

Trump erupted out of a space egg in the outer reaches of the solar system, and was carried back to Earth by an unwitting Sigourney Weaver, there to wreak untold destruction.
there is something nestled coyly atop the POTUS's head, be it Alien, Disgruntled MonkeyTM or something that is and hopefully shall forever remain beyond human understanding.

2450  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The Privacy Culture Manifesto on: November 27, 2020, 08:54:23 PM
~

So you really didn't see that coming? And now want to bitch about it? You were posting here anti-Trump propaganda, you wanted Biden, now live with it and its consequences. Meaning, from my point of view, you were and you are totally anti-privacy by your actions. Doesn't matter what you say, does it?

I was wrong. It's more of a Morton's Fork. 'Choose nothing' isn't an option.

Yes, there is no surprise that Biden cozies up to big tech. He's hardly an outsider. I never said Biden was perfect, but still, he's vastly preferable to Trump. Trump isn't a way out, he's not anti-establishment, that's just how he positions himself. Trump pits one side against the other in order to benefit personally. The Trump endgame is not a revolution, it's chaos within the system. If there is a key to unlock the door, then Trump doesn't have it. He's only pro-privacy in the context of his own tax returns. If we have to live in a box, I'd rather the box is not on fire, that's all. If there's a way out of the box, let's look for it... but it's not here.
2451  Economy / Speculation / Re: The ultimate Black Friday Sale on: November 27, 2020, 11:12:15 AM
Altcoins are the only sale because BTC still is $16k. The price of most altcoin still is more than what it was back then but its a good price to buy

Most of the time, for altcoins, it makes more sense to consider the price as it relates to BTC price, rather than to US dollar.
When bitcoin moves up, it drags the whole market with it (often with a bit of a lag). When the dollar value of an altcoin changes because of what bitcoin is doing, then look at the alt compared to BTC. The dollar increase considered by itself is almost immaterial as it gives little sense of the 'worth' of the coin or the project.
2452  Other / Off-topic / Re: Zlatan Ibrahimovic sueing EA due to using his image on FIFA21 on: November 27, 2020, 09:17:16 AM
This is a strange one. Undecided
Zlatan Ibrahimovic did not agree to using his likeness in EA Fifa21.

If I were working at EA, I'd be tempted to say 'fine, we'll remove you from the game'... and then replace him with a fictional tall, skillful Swede, as close to the real thing as I could legally get away with.
Perhaps call him Zlatan It's-not-him-ovic?
2453  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Abortion is the leading cause of death during the pandemic, killing 37 million on: November 27, 2020, 08:38:57 AM
Do we need 100 deaths to call it a pandemic. Or is that too small? How about 200? Or 1,000? So, why haven't we called that abortion thing a pandemic, or the heart disease thing, or the cancer thing? Because these are way more than the Covid thing, both individually, and certainly when combined.
Covid-19 is an infectious disease. It spread widely within a country (epidemic), and then around the globe (pandemic). Death toll is not the defining factor in whether or not a thing is classed as a pandemic.


killing a human being.
You are making a moral argument rather than a scientific one. Speaking of which, a far bigger cause of death than Covid is the Catholic church: Send missionaries to Africa, convert everyone to Christianity. Teach them that contraception is a sin that sends you to hell. Sit back and watch the chaos unfold.
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In Kenya, something like 1,400,000 people are living with HIV – roughly 6 percent of the population between the ages of 15 and 49. And the rate of infection is significantly higher among young women. In Uganda, the numbers are worse, with close to 8 percent of the same population living with HIV. In Zambia, 13.5 percent of the adult population was identified as HIV-positive as far back as 2009. And the statistics are similarly awful in many other countries in the region. [...] The church still believes sex outside of marriage is a greater evil than AIDs. They would rather people die on account of their sexuality than alter their treasured doctrines.
https://www.salon.com/2015/11/30/catholic_dogmas_are_killing_people_in_africa/


^^^ Wait. They are different. You made an arbitrary judgment there.
He made a scientific judgment based on experimentally verifiable facts.

Edit:
Morality is important. Science and logic are important. The intersection of the two can provide us with fascinating insights. But scientific and logical truths are universal, whereas moral truths are subjective. If you try to use a moral argument to convince people that a fertilised egg is the same as a human being, then you'll only be able to convince those who share your moral outlook. The moral (subjective) definition of a human being is not the same as the scientific (objective) definition, and the moral definition is, from person to person, different.
2454  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Aliens on: November 26, 2020, 06:31:17 PM
the Space Odyssey reference.
Do you want COVILITH-20? Because that's how you get COVILITH-20.

My God, it's full of SARS.
2455  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Abortion is the leading cause of death during the pandemic, killing 37 million on: November 26, 2020, 12:44:59 PM
Abortion is the leading cause of death during the coronavirus, killing 37 million worldwide

Regardless of the abortion debate, what's the point you're trying to make here? The 'leading' cause of death is the only one we should focus on, and we shouldn't take any precautions to lower the death toll from other causes? Even if it's as simple as wearing a face mask or a bit of social distancing? We shouldn't save lives by wearing masks, because some people die of things that are utterly unrelated? We shouldn't look both ways when we cross a busy road, because some people die from drowning?
2456  Other / Off-topic / Re: Tennis G O A T: Who Will Eventually Be Considered the Greatest of These Three? on: November 26, 2020, 12:31:47 PM
Djokovic should really give up on that vegan crap and  start eating normally.Professional sport is not healthy in general and you can make it even worse if you dont have proper diet.

I'd disagree. I think the diet has definitely helped Djokovic. The veganism yes, a lot of other dominant sports stars are vegan, Lewis Hamilton as an example.
But the biggest dietary difference for Djokovic was when he ditched gluten. That's what turned him into a relentless winning machine.
2457  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is owned! on: November 26, 2020, 10:58:34 AM
What's just happening?

Absolutely nothing unexpected has happened. When a price increases by a large amount very quickly, it always retraces a bit. This happens every single time, and will continue to happen in the future.

Don't just look at minute-to-minute or hour-to-hour price movement. If you do that, then you have zero context, so price movements are meaningless. Look instead at the longer-term price charts. See and understand the patterns. Relax.
2458  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Poker Probability on: November 26, 2020, 09:18:56 AM
Emotions are a recipe for losses in poker. The moment you are beginning to shake or show some signs of doubt is the time your opponent reads you very clearly. They will play on you.

This is absolutely true. Personally I think I am a good poker player when playing for low stakes. But playing for high stakes, even though I know that rationally it's exactly the same, I find myself being too risk-averse, and probably—although it's obviously difficult for me to tell—quite easy to read.
2459  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: November 26, 2020, 08:27:38 AM
I don't believe that there will be rain during race weekend. But even if it will be, it's not a problem if they will havevto delay race. First race is scheduled at 5 PM local time and second race will start on 8 PM. So, it will be night races like in Singapore or Abu Dhabi.

Yes, rain is unlikely.  It is a shame, because those rainy races are really exciting and do help to negate the effect of having a superior car... it's more about the quality of the driver. It's no coincidence that the drivers who did well last time out were the experienced old hands like Hamilton, Perez and Vettel.
2460  Economy / Economics / Re: Food prices doubled this year on: November 26, 2020, 08:17:31 AM
Covid has hit every country hard. The difference is that rich countries are able to take a bit of an economic hit, and still function almost as normal. It is unfortunately always the poorer countries where the effects are visible first. But this pandemic has made richer countries more aware of the importance of food security and ensuring that they can feed themselves in the event of international blockades. Hopefully this leads to less reliance on imports by big countries, and more food security for poorer ones.
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