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1721  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Dealing with environmental impact on: June 05, 2021, 10:33:34 AM
I personally harbor suspicions that nuclear fusion (free clean energy in unlimited quantities) has been for a while now an option

The joke is that it's always x decades away... but we're undeniably getting closer.
There is a lot of speculation that the new SPARC tokamak could achieve a self-sustaining plasma within the next five years (although obviously we'd still be some years out from a commercial reactor). This design uses the very latest high-temperature superconductors, which perhaps gives it an advantage over the huge ITER project.
1722  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA EURO 2020 Discussion Thread | Current Phase: Finals in June 2021! on: June 05, 2021, 10:11:56 AM
Group F [...] Germany will want to show that even with new players they are capable of performing well.

I think Germany will qualify, possibly at the expense of Portugal. Germany often seem to perform better in tournaments than you'd think from their individual players. I know they've been weaker than usual lately, but their history in tournament football means that it's a brave decision to bet against them.
1723  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: June 05, 2021, 10:01:30 AM
However one thing I am not sure and shocked, Lewis Hamilton once again at 7th place, I am sure he will get better result in qualifiers and better result in race, but this looks like it is not looking that great for Hamilton at all, sure he doesn't really race that awesome in practice because who needs that, but it also looks like there is a chance he may not be at the top of his game anymore huh?

I don't think it's Hamilton - the Mercedes car is really struggling here. They weren't great in Monaco, but this seems to be another big step backwards. FP3 so far doesn't look great, either. They really need to sort this out soon, or the championship gap to Red Bull and Verstappen will become too large to bridge.

Update: Well, Hamilton finished third, albeit quite a way back on Gasly time wise. And Max sustained some damage... this might make qualifying more interesting now. Hope Max gets the car fixed in time.
1724  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What about Fauci and the Wuhan Institute of Virology? on: June 05, 2021, 06:22:21 AM
people that support the lab leak theory aren't necessarily saying that it isn't natural, they're saying it's possible the virus was being used for gain of function research, and that it was "leaked" accidentally due to poor hygiene. So it probably is natural, in fact I think it is, but it also probably was being studied in Wuhan and was leaked.

Yes, that's a different question. I was addressing the points made in the OP about the likelihood of the virus being created in a lab — apologies, I wasn't sufficiently clear. I am perhaps also guilty of seeing a stark division between a) naturally-occurring and naturally-transmitted, and b) evil secret bioweapon... when as ever the true picture is more nuanced. And history teaches us that we should certainly never discount the possibility of something happening due to human ineptitude.

If it was a naturally-occurring virus that was under study, and escaped accidentally - that's certainly plausible and, in the absence of a smoking pangolin gun from the wet market, it's certainly an avenue that should be investigated. I don't know whether this is more or less likely than the wet market theory. There are reports of sick staff at the institute just prior to the outbreak, but given the overlap in symptoms between CV19 and other more common seasonal viruses (including of course other coronaviruses), it may be difficult to determine the truth. And this is especially true in a nation where the government can be so secretive and heavy-handed. I might still lean towards the wet market theory, on the basis that if the Chinese government knew that a) it was a lab leak, and b) specifically involving gain-of-function work, then they would certainly have been aware of the potential consequences, and would likely have acted with characteristic lightning-speed to shut everything down, not only news suppression, but physical containment. Whereas instead they acted more as if they weren't really sure what was going on, as might be the case if the lab were not involved. But this is speculation; there's no firm evidence either way.


The problem I see with respect to what you say about science is that its name is being used to avoid debate, when science should be just the opposite: open to debate.

Definitely. Preventing investigation of a potential Chinese government cover-up because it's "racist" is the same as banning criticism of Israel's murder of Palestinians because it's "antisemitic". Science should be utterly impartial, a mechanism for establishing truth at all times. Of course where international politics is involved, that's not always the case.
1725  Other / Politics & Society / Re: When do you think World War 3 will take place? on: June 04, 2021, 08:39:05 PM
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Globalisation has meant that national economies are inextricably intertwined nowadays. It's particularly true of the more powerful nations; they can't harm their 'enemy' without causing huge harm to themselves. Take the US vs China as an example. I think the chances of major nations entering direct war against one another is remote. At worst we'll see cyber-warfare, proxy wars in other arenas, and a lot of posturing and PR.
1726  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The five phases of vaccine compliance: We are currently in phase 3... on: June 04, 2021, 08:31:01 PM
I keep coming back to this thread, in case we revert to phase 2 at any point. I don't want to miss the free beer and donuts.
However the thread title remains unaltered; it appears we're still in phase 3. Bitterly disappointed. But I'll check back again in a week or so.


vaccinated is claimed to be effective, but the reality is that the body has just reverted to natural immunity.
Smallpox.
1727  Other / Politics & Society / Re: What about Fauci and the Wuhan Institute of Virology? on: June 04, 2021, 08:24:19 PM
Many months ago, I heard the theory that COVID-19 had been created in that institute that had received funding from Fauci among others.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I can see why people might believe it came from an accidental lab leak. I wondered about the origin last year; I suspect that if it did come from a lab, then China, notoriously autocratic, would try very hard to suppress the story and concoct some more or less plausible alternative... initially I was unsure if it was natural or not. However, whilst we all became armchair virologists, the real experts were investigating the nature of the virus to determine its probable origin. As the evidence accrued, I began to form an opinion that it was a natural virus, most likely transmitted through bats at the wet market, as reported. I linked to several papers on this subject about a year ago, but here is a short excerpt from one of them again. The more you look into it, the more it seems that the structure of the virus is very different to the kind of thing that people might make. Again though, I'm by no means an expert. As ever, all we can do is study the findings as best we can.

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Theories of SARS-CoV-2 origins
It is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation of a related SARS-CoV-like coronavirus. As noted above, the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 is optimized for binding to human ACE2 with an efficient solution different from those previously predicted. Furthermore, if genetic manipulation had been performed, one of the several reverse-genetic systems available for betacoronaviruses would probably have been used. However, the genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone. Instead, we propose two scenarios that can plausibly explain the origin of SARS-CoV-2: (i) natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer; and (ii) natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer. We also discuss whether selection during passage could have given rise to SARS-CoV-2.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
1728  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The five phases of vaccine compliance: We are currently in phase 3... on: June 04, 2021, 02:53:24 PM
herd immunity was here by March or April 2020 if not earlier, throughout almost the whole USA. But do you know what that herd immunity wasn't? It wasn't vaccine herd immunity. It was natural herd immunity. And it was the hospitals, the medical leaders, the medical lack of using working cures, and later the vaccine, that killed most of the people who died with natural herd immunity.
Okaaay. So the people who had acquired immunity, and went into hospitals to be killed by 'the medical'... why did they go into hospital if they were totally fine? I mean, presumably they had symptoms of something, in order to need hospitalisation, right? What gave them the symptoms? Chemtrails? 5G? 'forked-tongued anti-human demon Bill Gates'? What was it?


you will keep on failing in your silliness.


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I guess you missed the MIT 'infiltration' report.

You can accuse someone of being naive if they believe a single report that flies in the face of all available evidence... but you're on less solid ground when there are vast quantities of data from numerous studies around the world, from different countries, universities, official bodies, all independent of one another. Here are a few examples of studies that conclude that masks are useful:

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/11/20-3003_article
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/11/23/937173060/mask-mandates-work-to-slow-spread-of-coronavirus-kansas-study-finds
https://gh.bmj.com/content/5/5/e002794
https://journals.asm.org/doi/full/10.1128/mSphere.00637-20
1729  Other / Politics & Society / mRNA vaccines: A New Hope on: June 04, 2021, 02:41:32 PM

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/mrna_vaccine.png
1730  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] What is the best covid-19 conspiracy? on: June 04, 2021, 02:39:51 PM
^^^ But look at all the CO2 China is spewing into the atmosphere. They are probably the greatest of the major nations in this area. In a few years, we will be thanking them for all the good they are doing in helping plants to grow, and bringing us global warming. Consider https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5341456.msg57143605#msg57143605 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5340995.msg57131434#msg57131434.

Besides, once we find out how the Covid vaccines are many times worse than the virus, we'll forget all about China and start blaming Big Pharma in the States.

Cool

For your second link, you're probably better linking to your initial post, rather than one halfway down the thread after I've debunked your claims.
As for the first link, my favourite comment in that thread is 'word salad of stupidity'.
1731  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM..... on: June 04, 2021, 07:40:35 AM
its not the fastest track around the average speed is considered in the middle, its not going to help Mercedes a lot since they have better advantage in higher top speed tracks that is why I can see Vertsappen have a better advantage to finish above Hamilton in this race.

Yes, the general opinion is that this will be more of a Red Bull track. Hamilton has a lot of ground to regain after the problems of Monaco, and so do Mercedes... but this may not be the track to do it.
I think Verstappen should be favourite here, but it's not like Monaco, overtaking is possible, so we should I would think see Hamilton in second place.
1732  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] What is the best covid-19 conspiracy? on: June 03, 2021, 08:27:32 PM
Do I need to email Bill Gates and ask him to turn me on? (Not like that. Well, maybe like that. Wink)
It's worth a go, I hear he's single these days. And depending on how it develops, a divorce settlement would be worth a few BTC.

So I'm gonna turn in to a Borg? Sounds awesome! Can I run a bitcoin node from my brain?
If you go for the Gates option, then I'd be careful about taking the Borg option as well. Here's a photo of Locutus clutching his newly-installed implants. Just look at Gates wringing his hands together in demonic glee. He's got it all planned out, the evil genius.

1733  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: June 03, 2021, 08:10:40 PM
Serena Williams has been quite impressive today against Mihaela Buzărnescu at the second round of the French Open (6-3, 5-7, 6-1) I think she can reach the final of Roland Garros this year.

If all of the top seeds keep dropping out at the rate they have been so far, then she'll be the clear favourite before long.
It's been a weird tournament so far. But then other sports have had some very unusual results this last year, too. With the lockdowns and the enforced breaks, it can really throw out normal rhythm and normal predictions... and with tennis being an individual rather than team sport, I suppose the effect can be more extreme.
1734  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The five phases of vaccine compliance: We are currently in phase 3... on: June 03, 2021, 07:59:37 PM
the deep science that the anti-vaxxers use.

Apologies, I wasn't aware that they used science.
1735  Other / Politics & Society / Re: German Study Shows 14% More Vegetation Over the Past 100 years from added CO2 on: June 02, 2021, 12:15:29 PM
a lot has happened since Malthus, who, for those who don't know, predicted a catastrophe in which there would not be enough resources to feed a growing population in the world, and the fact is that the population has continued to grow and grow, while more and more people eat more and more.

Malthusianism is definitely out-dated, and exponential population growth - or indeed any overall population growth - is no longer a given.

The five-stage Demographic Transition Model is I believe more relevant:

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In Stage 1, which applied to most of the world before the Industrial Revolution, both birth rates and death rates are high. As a result, population size remains fairly constant but can have major swings with events such as wars or pandemics.
In Stage 2, the introduction of modern medicine lowers death rates, especially among children, while birth rates remain high; the result is rapid population growth. Many of the least developed countries today are in Stage 2.
In Stage 3, birth rates gradually decrease, usually as a result of improved economic conditions, an increase in women’s status, and access to contraception. Population growth continues, but at a lower rate. Most developing countries are in Stage 3.
In Stage 4, birth and death rates are both low, stabilizing the population. These countries tend to have stronger economies, higher levels of education, better healthcare, a higher proportion of working women, and a fertility rate hovering around two children per woman. Most developed countries are in Stage 4.
A possible Stage 5 would include countries in which fertility rates have fallen significantly below replacement level (2 children) and the elderly population is greater than the youthful population.
https://populationeducation.org/what-demographic-transition-model/



There are of course various projections of when overall population might start to fall, but whilst, for now, population is still growing, it is an indisputable fact that the rate of increase has slowed dramatically over recent decades...


https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2019/06/2019-Revision-%E2%80%93-World-Population-Growth-1700-2100-772x550.png

1736  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The five phases of vaccine compliance: We are currently in phase 3... on: June 02, 2021, 07:58:14 AM
All the link goes to is a subscription page like we see on so much of the failing dinosaur media.  As a source of actual information, FT is not worth the space the bits use up in /dev/null.
Yes, I don't normally go to the FT, although sometimes I read their hilarious bitcoin scare-stories - they're terrified, and it shows.
I've found in the past it's better to link to media articles rather than direct to the relevant papers, as they are in general more digestible. But here's the paper: https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-558954/v1
I'll also quote the FT article in full at the end of this post.


where do you stand on things like this? Presumably you believe it's nonsense?
Read my comment on that thread then.

I think the term 'vaccident' is funny, and there well may be some truth to it in fact.  Driving in the U.S. was already a spook show in that so many people are so highly medicated that you never know what a person is going to do.  If it's even worse now after the gene therapy it would surprise me very little.
I did read your comment, but it was just a quick one-liner - thanks for expanding.

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   Scientists in Germany claim to have cracked the cause of the rare blood clots linked to the Oxford/AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccines and believe the jabs could be tweaked to stop the reaction happening altogether.
Rolf Marschalek, a professor at Goethe university in Frankfurt who has been leading studies into the rare condition since March, said his research showed the problem sat with the adenovirus vectors that both vaccines use to deliver the genetic instructions for the spike protein of the Sars-Cov-2 virus into the body. 
The delivery mechanism means the vaccines send the DNA gene sequences of the spike protein into the cell nucleus rather than the cytosol fluid found inside the cell where the virus normally produces proteins, Marschalek and other scientists said in a preprint paper released on Wednesday.
Once inside the cell nucleus, certain parts of the spike protein DNA are spliced, or split apart, creating mutant versions, which are unable to bind to the cell membrane where important immunisation takes place. The floating mutant proteins are instead secreted by cells into the body, triggering blood clots in roughly one in 100,000 people, according to Marschalek’s theory.
In contrast, mRNA-based vaccines, such as the jabs developed by BioNTech/Pfizer and Moderna, deliver the spike’s genetic material to the cell fluid and it never enters the nucleus.
“When these . . . virus genes are in the nucleus they can create some problems,” Marschalek told the Financial Times.
The rare blood-clotting reaction that has disrupted the rollout of the AstraZeneca and J&J shots has been recorded in 309 of the 33m people who have received the AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK, causing 56 deaths. In Europe, at least 142 people have experienced the blood clots out of 16m recipients of the vaccine.
In response, use of the AstraZeneca jab has been restricted or suspended in more than a dozen countries. J&J began the rollout of its vaccine in Europe with a warning on its label in April after a brief delay because of the concerns.
But Marschalek believes there is a straight forward “way out” if the vaccine developers can modify the gene sequence that codes for the spike protein to prevent it splitting apart. 
J&J had already contacted Marschalek’s lab to ask for guidance and was looking at ways to adapt its vaccine to prevent splicing, he said.
The instructions for the spike protein in the J&J shot were already less prone to “splicing” than the instructions for the spike protein in the AstraZeneca jab, making the reaction less common, according to Marschalek. In the US, eight of the 7.4m recipients of the J&J shot have reported the rare reaction.
   “[J&J] is trying to optimise its vaccine now,” he said. “With the data we have in our hands we can tell the companies how to mutate these sequences, coding for the spike protein in a way that prevents unintended splice reactions.”
J&J said: “We are supporting continued research and analysis of this rare event as we work with medical experts and global health authorities. We look forward to reviewing and sharing data as it becomes available.”
Some scientists have cautioned that Marschalek’s theory is one among many, and that further evidence is needed to substantiate his claims.
“There is evidence missing to show the causal chain from the splice . . . of the spike protein to the thrombosis events,” said Johannes Oldenburg, professor of transfusion medicine at the university of Bonn. “This is still a hypothesis that needs to be proven by experimental data.”
Marschalek said he had presented his lab’s findings to the German government’s Paul-Ehrlich Institute and to the country’s advisory body on vaccination and immunisation.
“They were surprised by our findings because no one was thinking about the splice problem,” he said.
1737  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The five phases of vaccine compliance: We are currently in phase 3... on: June 01, 2021, 09:44:30 PM
tl;dr: go get vaccinated and avoid the hassle of phases 2 through 5.

In retrospect, I should have avoided the hassle of participating in this thread, and just let the craziness go unchallenged.

Quite keen on seeing phase 5 though, if only to see what the 'kinetic' entails. Presumably some form of sports?
1738  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The five phases of vaccine compliance: We are currently in phase 3... on: June 01, 2021, 08:44:45 PM
within the last week or two the 'authorized narrative' has shifted from 'spike protein harmless' to 'covid spike protein bad but the gene therapy 'vaccine' changes your body into a manufacturer of 'the good spike protein''.

The biggest news related to the spike protein in the last week or two is that German scientists now believe they understand why the AZ (and J&J) vaccine causes a slight increase in the risk of blood clotting, and know how to fix it - note this is not an issue for the mRNA vaccines.

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Once inside the cell nucleus, certain parts of the spike protein DNA are spliced, or split apart, creating mutant versions, which are unable to bind to the cell membrane where important immunisation takes place. The floating mutant proteins are instead secreted by cells into the body, triggering blood clots in roughly one in 100,000 people, according to Marschalek’s theory.
https://www.ft.com/content/f76eb802-ec05-4461-9956-b250115d0577


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There are quite a few people in the P&S threads who have very different views to my own, but I'm aware that they also have different views to one another. I'm interested, where do you stand on things like this? Presumably you believe it's nonsense?

1739  Other / Politics & Society / Re: The five phases of vaccine compliance: We are currently in phase 3... on: June 01, 2021, 02:40:27 PM
door-to-door arrests of those who refuse spike protein injections [...] spike protein biological weapons [...] trade their lives for beer and donuts [...] jail time (government sector) [...]  Kinetic (military sector)

Huh If you want any of these conspiracies to gain some traction, you will at some point need to supply some supporting evidence. Or at least some donuts.

blames the unvaxxed for continued spike protein outbreaks that are killing people.

I've no idea why you're suddenly fixated on the phrase 'spike protein'... but it's certainly true that those who refuse to be vaccinated are actively preventing effective herd immunity, and so some of them are, as a direct result of their own actions (or inaction), infecting and killing people. This is perfectly logical. Don't make me get the data out again. Anti-vaxxers are also working hard to ensure that lockdowns, masks, and other restrictions remain in place - which is odd, as they are supposedly against these things.

Anyway, must try harder. Let's see what the next all-bold evidence-free conspiracy thread looks like.
1740  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Tennis League All Thread on: June 01, 2021, 08:16:03 AM
It's sad that Naomi Osaka has withdrawn from the tournament. I understand that attending press conferences is a part of the job, but the authorities haven't handled this at all well. Their initial response was aggressive and heavy-handed, where they all banded together to issue a statement saying that for players who don't attend, fines would escalate and they might even be kicked out of tournaments.

... and their response to Osaka pulling out was so ridiculous, the guy read from a prepared statement, and then refused to take any questions from the press! That really is a perfect way to utterly undermine your own argument.
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