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Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [ANN] HashCoins - Cryptocurrency Mining Hardware Manufacturer
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on: March 17, 2015, 08:22:54 PM
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IYFTech, regarding the Uranus, you can write whatever you wish, but I personally know HC are building two datacenters for this model. The miner exists thats a fact, visit them to make that certain for yourself!
Told off by a noob account with 11/13 posts on this thread.......  I'm so embarrassed......  So whats with writing in this topic only? It pisses me off some people have nothing better to do than go and post 650 messages per day. I live in a neighbouring country and have enough info about HC and their equipment. I simply go to Tallinn if I need proof and NOT create some bs from afar. So could you take a picture and post it here? +1 Let's see some proof this company isn't a total scam (though we already know they lie about specs). I'd be amazed if their cloudmining wasn't a full on ponzi. |
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Economy / Securities / Re: AMHash1: Cost-Effective Mining Contract
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on: March 15, 2015, 10:25:10 PM
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Got any proof this was a scam?
They are not scammers but they are liable. Apart from that they are liars and for some time they were running a ponzi based on fractional mining. How about that ? That is a fair assessment. Having their hardware stolen does not make them scammers,
No, but deliberately withholding that information from customers and investors, does make it a scam imo. Also, indirectly selling stolen electricity (if true) is not the hallmark of honest business. Dishonest? Probably. Unprofessional? Definitely. Proof they are scammers? I don't think so. I still think that their actions could have been made in good faith. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that they could have found a solution to fix this mess. (like taking out a loan and deploying another ~3.5 PH/s in Inner Mongolia.) Also it looks like FC is solely responsible for this mess so I don't think it's fair to call everyone working for AM/AMhash scammers. |
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Economy / Securities / Re: AMHash1: Cost-Effective Mining Contract
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on: March 15, 2015, 10:02:09 PM
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Lol really? They admitted it has been a Ponzi for months and not paying divs. I know that seems pretty legit and all People can not even trade their shares...AM said they are broke. So in your expert opinion, any business that failed is definitely a scam? Cowboyminers farm that caught on fire = scam? Cointerra bankruptcy = scam? Having their hardware stolen does not make them scammers, even if they have enough cash reserves to continue payments until a solution is found. Now if you have any proof that this was a scam and not a failed business, please do share. Otherwise please stop making baseless accusations. |
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Economy / Securities / Re: HAVELOCK tried to BRIBE ME!
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on: March 15, 2015, 08:02:52 PM
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Yeah, I read this as more of a "Tongue in Cheek" comment.. "Hey little kid, you're bothering me... can I just pay you to go way... you're getting annoying.".. Not any admission of guilt.. Hell, i would have probably done the same... had I not already lost it all in AM shares  Assuming it's real (and I've got no reason to believe Airwolf is capable of faking an email) I find it highly unprofessional. Havelock isn't exactly swimming in cash and I'm sure their shareholders would rather be paid that 10btc than have it given to some wannabe gangster who made a few empty threats. |
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Economy / Securities / Re: HAVELOCK tried to BRIBE ME!
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on: March 15, 2015, 07:58:40 PM
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erm, he should have taken the bribe to confirm it was actually a bribe and not just words in an email.... then take the moral ground back by dispersing the bribe for the greater good.
Or just returning the 10 BTC to original address. But it doesn't matter now. The matter is all open publicly. I'm not aware of Havelock or AmHash scam, but from what I'm reading, I appreciate what OP did. Exposing malicious practices instead of accepting the bribe. Strange because that's the exact opposite of what he did with PBmining where he took the bribe and then tried to sway people into believing PBmining wasn't a scam. Ok, i have dealt with this before (MtGox and PBmining) and recovered ALL the money, you know how? By gathering the biggest investors and pooling with them a REWARD OF 300 BTC for the whereabouts of YOU, YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS and another 300 BTC to pay for the people that is going to PAY YOU AND THEM A VISIT.
You are not dealing here with the average guy that invests 0.1 BTC, i represent a group with almost 250.000 shares, value over 250 BTC, I represent the kind of people that it is VERY DANGEROUS to mess with in any part of the world.
So i will offer you an exit: Reimburse our shares for 250 BTC or i will start the process of hunting you and your relatives and friends. You have 24 hours, after that i will start the hunt and i will make it public, so not only you will have to pay the biggest ones, but almost every little guy that sums to the hunt. It is best for you to settle this now than settle it later, check my posts in this forum, I HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE.
Be smart, be like Mark Karpeles and Jason Boyko, they are still good and their relatives too because they acted smart, they kept this private and small and ended up losing less.
You have 24 hours. For all the poor souls that committed the sin of trusting a not-so-clear business in the hopes of a good return and that, in your view, where stupid enough for not investigating this pbmining enough, let me tell you that bigger and more "established" guys like MtGox where scams in the long run, there is a thing in life called RISK, life is risky.
Now in my case i was watching and experimenting with it myself for months and decided to step in, for what i see, this guy really cares, what i don't know if he cares for the suspected ponzi to continue for longer time or he has a real consciousness and honesty and somehow the business is sound, i found some amazing evidence in their accounts that proves that even GHASH.IO is purchasing from PBMINING, just make a taint analysis of the account where they receive the money for the sales
I has worked for me, it is working less in the past few weeks, but my message to Puppet, Mr. Teal and the others is: STOP TROLLING OUR SUCCESSFUL PONZI-SCAM-WHATEVER. You wanted people to know?, ok, people is aware now, you want to play the avenging skull?, ok, you did.
Now i think that what you really want is all the 6000+ souls to lost our money, so please NOW SHUT THE F***K UP and STOP DAMAGING +6000 PEOPLE LIVES!!, LET OUR PONZI-SCAM-WHATEVER BUSINESS MAKE GOOD OF HIS WORD!
And for all of us that are hopeless prisoners of our decision to invest in pbmining, let's band together and protect our investment, we cannot do anything else, but try to make our boat not making more water.
LETS BE PRACTICAL HERE, the PB GUY has demonstrated that he cares. lets help him pay us. |
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Economy / Securities / Re: HAVELOCK tried to BRIBE ME!
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on: March 15, 2015, 07:50:58 PM
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Is there any actual proof that AirWolf is not insane?
Is there any proof he is insane? He has done a pretty good job at making you believe he is insane yes but he is also doing some good work here which has surprised me because i thought he was up to no good. Maybe you should have taken the btc for 'some' losses incurred during all this or gave it to the guys that are helping you.. Just a thought well done denying the bribe I agree I think he is doing the right thing here. I think it shows a lot that he refused a bribe also...10 BTC is a nice little pay day for many. Are you serious? You think blackmailing the family/friends/associates of a suspected scammer is acceptable at all? I find it disturbing so many people are backing this psychopath. He's "discovered" absolutely nothing that anyone who spent 5 minutes doing research on AM/HL wouldn't already know. |
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Economy / Securities / Re: AMHash1: Cost-Effective Mining Contract
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on: March 14, 2015, 08:52:25 PM
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Guys I have a proposal  There are too many threads about this scam, let's concentrate everything to this single thread just like in gaw case  - it's more fun this way Apparently it is already obvious by now to you that paid amhash shills post in infavor of amhash scammer and at this point i think the thread should become something like single gaw thread where shills, retarded and trolls collide And since amhash failed a lot worse than even gaw, but choose silence instead of gaw nonsense it is not that funny, but we lost our money and we have tickets for the show anyway amhash! i want more drama  I like your proposal. You teenyboppers, wannabe investors, and extortionists should all form a thread to circlejerk/spread misinformation and leave the rest of us to have adult discussions. |
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Economy / Securities / Re: AMHash1: Cost-Effective Mining Contract
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on: March 14, 2015, 10:34:46 AM
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I just ignored his (Jimmothy) useless crap.
We should get in touch with Rockxie and David Fan to forge some solution.
We should sue them, or at least file a fraud complaint, if that doesn't work.
l3sney, did you get any opinion from the attorney you contacted?
Yeah, I donīt read that way worse than useless crap either. And those who quote it and the rest of the extortionist junk heap go on my ignore list as well. And thatīs forever. Galdur, you keep using the word extortion, but I don't think you understand what it means. This is what extortion looks like: Actually i don't buy the friedcat story, i have deal with this kind of people in the past, I sent them a message yesterday giving them 24 hours to pay our shares at IPO price or face The Hunt publicly.
Ok, i have dealt with this before (MtGox and PBmining) and recovered ALL the money, you know how? By gathering the biggest investors and pooling with them a REWARD OF 300 BTC for the whereabouts of YOU, YOUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS and another 300 BTC to pay for the people that is going to PAY YOU AND THEM A VISIT.
You are not dealing here with the average guy that invests 0.1 BTC, i represent a group with almost 250.000 shares, value over 250 BTC, I represent the kind of people that it is VERY DANGEROUS to mess with in any part of the world.
So i will offer you an exit: Reimburse our shares for 250 BTC or i will start the process of hunting you and your relatives and friends. You have 24 hours, after that i will start the hunt and i will make it public, so not only you will have to pay the biggest ones, but almost every little guy that sums to the hunt. It is best for you to settle this now than settle it later, check my posts in this forum, I HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE.
Be smart, be like Mark Karpeles and Jason Boyko, they are still good and their relatives too because they acted smart, they kept this private and small and ended up losing less.
You have 24 hours. I personally found Airwolf's approach a bit harsh, when he said "Hunt".
Though he's dedicated and has all rights to fight against this crime...
...It's time to take realistic measures in our reach now.
And the best way to handle issues is to organize.
Even small investors should join this movement.
I am with AirWolf.
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Economy / Securities / Re: AMHash1: Cost-Effective Mining Contract
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on: March 14, 2015, 06:15:43 AM
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Those people are really asking for some criminal charges. Shifting blame and lying. Over and over again....
How was the blame shifted and when did they lie? AM was always in control of the hashrate and most people knew this. It seems you're just one of the handful of wannabe investors who did zero research and knew nothing about the offering you were investing in. How do yo expect people with 50gh-100ghs shares to do a comprehensive investigation. Most of them including me, are not large scale professional investors, we are regular people with hope to have some positive financial change in our lifes. I'm not sure how many people is in my situation but,
I've lost all my saving with this incident and it's going to effect my everyday life.
I don't get it, did you invest your life savings or only 50-100 GH/s? Or is ~$35 your life savings? If you invest/gamble any significant portion of your money, I expect you to do a comprehensive investigation before investing. (not after like many of here seem to be doing) How is even a serious investor supposed to know that FriedCat was the only one in charge and had 100% control over the income/money.
The Amhash option was not the most attractive one (LTC gear was) but it was operated by a well known ASIC manufacturer.
They could prove the hashrate etc. so we trusted them and invested our tiny capitals, not suitable for real investment in another world. Don't get me wrong, there's practically no amount of due diligence you could have done to know that AM would self destruct. Only 2 weeks ago any seasoned bitcoiner would have told you AM is one of the most trustworthy manufacturers left. I personally don't think FC is pulling a fast one. I think we are missing parts of the story and there is a legitimate reason for AM's collapse. I just hate seeing so much misinformation spread by those who did little/no research prior to investing, and now it seems those people are the most vocal about taking legal/illegal action. The only thing we could do is being a paranoid and not investing in anything ever.
We are wannabee investors, do we deserve to be scammed?
I don't know what makes you think I think anyone deserves to be scammed. If you really hate doing due diligence, I'd suggest not investing in anything ever. If you want less risk, invest in regulated stocks. (But even then you'll find that sometimes "legit" companies go bust) |
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Economy / Securities / Re: AMHash1: Cost-Effective Mining Contract
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on: March 13, 2015, 09:36:02 PM
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Those people are really asking for some criminal charges. Shifting blame and lying. Over and over again....
How was the blame shifted and when did they lie? AM was always in control of the hashrate and most people knew this. It seems you're just one of the handful of wannabe investors who did zero research and knew nothing about the offering you were investing in. |
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Economy / Securities / Re: Neo & Bee talk (spam free thread)
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on: March 10, 2015, 09:14:03 PM
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I don't deserve congratulations. I've failed to instill even a modicum of learningz in Bitcoin investment enthusiasts. Because ineducable. Because I've seen lab rats bananas more open to learning than the average Bitcoiner. Because, against the sound advice of the Good Book, I've cast my pearls before swine. I blame it on my bleeding egalitarian heart (it's two sizes too large!), I blame it on overflowing compassion for the mentally-cheated & downtrodden. I blame it on my loving nature & unbridled optimism. But enough excuses! I'm man enough to admit it: I have no cause to celebrate  Maybe you failed to instill any sort of wisdom because you lack it yourself? Because you're ignored by 90% of the people you talk to? Because you think an endless barrage of insults is a reasonable way to get a message across? How many times do you have to tell us havelock/bitcoin securities are shit before you realize nobody cares? Historically 90% of startups fail, so patting yourself on the back when 90% of bitcoin startups fail is pretty silly. Especially when you predicted 100% would fail which clearly didn't happen. This may be hard for you to comprehend, but some of us have money to gamble on these shitty stocks. Get a job and maybe you can do the same. |
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide [27th Feb]
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on: March 09, 2015, 08:01:51 PM
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It's like they couldn't show any more contempt towards miners if they tried. Very sad to see this happen to Bitmain - Becoming so unscrupulously and wantonly greedy Price bump +25% hours within relaunch. What a fucking unforgivable shit-show. I can't support this behavior. Somehow, I suspect Bitmain just doesn't give a flying fuck about us small players any more, and was looking for any excuse to gouge us on price once they saw the demand spike after they became available again. Total transparent cash grab. The price gouging is bad, but the preorders 3 months out is just ridiculous. (wait an extra 2.5 months and you get to save a staggering $32) |
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Economy / Service Discussion / Re: ▁ ▂ ▄ ▅ ▆ Cloudmining 101 (ponzi risk assessment) ▆ ▅ ▄ ▂ ▁
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on: March 07, 2015, 10:02:24 PM
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oh and to that jimoty or whatever shill - you go bash amhash now as you did on gaw cause gaw is an angel in the way they scammed their customers compared to this china corrupt bastards shit
I'll hop on the amhash hate train as soon as it's proven to be a scam. At this point the only evidence that it's a scam is the fact that payments have stopped and the CEO is missing. I am not going to lie and say it's definitely not a scam, but in my opinion I find it much more likely that their story is legit. (hardware stolen) You must not be following the whole GAW scam if you think they treated their customers better. GAW led on their investors for ~6 months promising every week that profit is just over the horizon. Now xpy is worth 1/25th of what was promised. If this is the end for amhash, people who bought at IPO would have a ~40% loss. Meanwhile GAW/xpy investors are looking at a 90-95% loss in btc. |
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