Thanks for your response.
Agree with most of what you wrote. Personal information is just that, true. And there is more than one coin out there that has pseudonyms and anonymity. So it's nothing uncommon. I can't imagine going around to churches and giving everyone a pseudonym. Then again, my real name isn't secoccular. ;p
I still think the discussion is better somewhere here on bct, just for more visibility. But I understand what you're saying, and I don't have much more to add to this thread.
I'm looking at/ involved with over a dozen projects right now. and wouldn't want to join a separate outside forum for each of them. Discord is a little easier because it's all in one place. But I'll go check out the BBP forum again and see the activity levels. Maybe it is better to keep the moaning over there. I don't know.
I'm happy to see the community coming together more. Having forum managers creates an important buffer, and makes it easier on Rob and us plebes. In my experience of *cough* years in IT, the most brilliant programmers weren't really hard-wired for some kinds of communication. The ones that did the best had some folks in from of them, so they could focus on the coding.
In total agreement with your comments about complexity. Using more common terms would be a huge help for newcomers. PoW is just PoW, as you say.
As to the monarch coin (asked above), like all slang terms, it arose spontaneously, without a set definition from the "Satoshi Fan Club". But I would say it's a coin where there's basically one person at the head, who codes, makes changes to the structure (like the widow thing), owns a large number of nodes, and really has final decision. Whether that applies to BBP, I don't know.
Again, I'm really happy with the new moderation on the ANN thread. It feels like a positive direction.
Fair enough, I get that people are busy and like a central place to look for things. Discord is available but suffers the same "buried in history" issue, on the flipside it allows for more real-time discussion. I am on there as "freddymac" I suppose I should change the name to match .. just have not felt like doing it I'd love to get more activity on the official forums .. If we could it would help show the activity level of the project. (I get its "another" site to check, but from an outsider perspective it could indicate an active "core" community) Appreciate your input, and the ongoing discussion. I don't think your comments here need to be buried in this thread either though if you insist on using BCT. IMHO, you have articulated your points well, and with respect  |
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If it isn't the pending work, then it is possible that the large amounts of people focusing on the WCG Birthday Challenge may be a case where the credits are adjusting based on other hardware being brought online. WCG uses a form of the Credit New credit system with a few modification the last I knew. Which means over time the points will adjust based on everyone else.
Interesting, are you saying the overall rewards could go down based on the earnings of the "crowd"? |
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Curious what the cause is... Thanks for doing investigating guys!
Is there a new project on WCG that is harder than the others?
I'd be curious to see what % is dedicated to each project
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2 different challenges The one that just started is the 14th bday one |
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My BBP windows wallet uses 14% of the cpu on a new machine with an Intel i77-7700 3.6 ghz.
Seems high, is this normal?
genproclimit=1
Seema bit high, do you have the minersleep parameter setup? |
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And thanks for you reply to my post above. It's a little disappointing the issue of MN control by the lead dev is going to just hang there without an answer. Maybe my expectations are out of line, but some other projects I'm involved with have 100% transparency (and those are secular projects). It's strange to have these pockets of hidden information, but it is what it is.
I understand your frustration, unfortunately when it comes to "personal" information nobody can force you to reveal it... A choice must be made to support the project without this understanding, or move on? I learned a new term the other day -- monarch coin. Do you think it applies.
I completely see that Rob is heavily invested in this project, and....surprise... I want it to succeed too, and am trying to point out things that could really derail it. Maybe my focus is wrong.
Why should this discussion happen on the main thread? The ANN thread is where we get reports from the dev and team, as well as some light troubleshooting. It seems appropriate to have a separate thread like this, where we can look into the mirror a bit. It seems cleaner to me to have some separation.
Why not have it in the main thread? Or ... better yet on forum.biblepay.org, this would add content and some real discussions there that could help bring people into a discussion. Unless this type of topic is in a dedicated place, (thread with a single purpose) any of this information will ultimately be buried and lost, and questions will come back to be answered again. Which brings me to a point about separation. It's really necessary, especially in business. We have to see ourselves as investors, project members, charity givers, Christians, etc. etc. Of course we're all these things, but it's good to have boundaries. When we get overly identified with one aspect, the others suffer.
One more thought. Years ago, I learned a Chinese expression "running a country is like frying a fish". For years I could not figure out the meaning. It wasn't until I actually fried a fish that the meaning became clear. If you fry a fish, you can only turn it once or twice before the fish dis-integrates.
I feel our fishes are, technically, suffering from over-turning. Currently I am completely unable to promote the coin, because I have no idea what the direction is--orphans, widows, file hosting, etc. In the short while I've been here, the future of the project seems to be spinning more and more into complexity. We use terms like POBH or whatever the Orphan Proof is called. Do we realize those terms mean not a lot outside of our little group? It creates a barrier of entry, where new members are forced to learn a new vocabulary that doesn't apply anywhere outside of the project. I almost looked past this one because it involved a lot more learning on my part to figure out all the terminology, so it took more of an "investment" to even understand BBP.
Has anyone considered making a glossary type document that defines what all these terms are? It would be easier on new folks like me to be able to enter the world of BBP knowing all the definitions, instead of having to hang out on the main thread for a while to pick up the pieces intuitively. Thanks for reading.
I would agree with this point as well.. We are a complex coin, some steps have been taken to help reduce the complexity, but I agree every new feature adds to the complexity. A glossary would be good, but we could also work to call things what they are, PoBH = POW .. This is a good point why make things sound more complex than they are? |
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Yep responded over there, but it is said in a respectful way... this is the difference inblue Yes, there is a difference in that the "respectful" way doesn't produce any response from Rob. Why are you trying to instigate a negative response? ... Are you only here to cause trouble? If so then I need to apologize to Rob... I had assumed you were trying to bring things out into the open for an actual discussion. He and I are having some in-depth philosophical discussions around how to handle things here, I must say despite issues in our past, it has been good to have a real conversation with him. |
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Why the website cant't open! Mycryptocurrency is inside,i think is a fraud project!
Which website? ... This is not an ANN thread |
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Updates: - Rob posted an update to pool.biblepay.org : new Detail Drill in capability for : Leaderboard View, Superblock View, Rosetta Machine Leaderboard View and Rosetta Unbanked Report. This allows the user to see the highlighted record without referring back to the header.
- Jaap has finished updating the www.biblepay.org website with the ‘five fold vision’ (This is the last feature of the round of website updates Jaap and Togo created about 45 days ago, when we undertook a campaign to make it easier to mine, explain, and invest in). To see the vision, click on the main biblepay center bible logo.
- explorer.biblepay.org is synced
- new explorer: https://www.biblepay.ovh/ currently syncing.
- Biblepay 1.1.6.0-Leisure released, with some fixes for Mac/Linux setups
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{
"Command": "podcupdate",
"PODCUpdate": "Unable to locate enough unlocked funds not equal to 1,550,001 biblepay."
}
i wanna send podcupdate, 1550001 is something with MN, i never had MN
It's a goofy error and could stand to be cleaned up for your case. Open the wallet, go to settings->options then "wallet" tab then check the box for "enable advanced coin control features" After that, go to the send tab, and send to one of your addresses. click the "Inputs" button and "Select All" This will consolidate all your coin to 1 transaction & address, and should fix this error. |
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Even though things have gotten personal with the sleights and insults, one thing appears to me. That we are a community, and some of what has been brought up really needs to come to light, for the community about how things are being handled. They affect us all. Let's have a non-censored discussion.
It's actually in the best interest of everyone. Let everyone hear. If you all want to argue about whether so-and-so is acting Christian enough, then PMs are the way to go. But for community-wide issues, like how proposals work behind the scenes and potential conflicts of interest. How can we say that only affects one person who needs to work it out in private? I don't want to make any comparisons to political parties who employ that tactic. Let's just say it tends to end badly for all. I'm really hoping that doesn't happen here.
Do I, as the owner of a tiny amount of biblepay, have the right to understand the proposal process?
Is it true anyone can just "reboot" their proposal until it passes (those with the most votes can take full advantage of this?
Can proposals really be hidden, and who has the decision on that?
How many nodes does the lead dev have?
These are examples of questions that arise because information only comes out piecemeal, maybe leaked from private conversations and messages. I don't want to see this sad trend continue, so let's get things out in the light, maybe then it's easier to trust again? The problem with "let's just start over", is the questions that spawned the controversy are left unadressed. so the release of tension is only temporary. Then the cycle starts again, maybe with something new added to the fire. We can fix this, but we have to make some new patterns.
Some legitimate concerns from a user from the other thread. Yep responded over there, but it is said in a respectful way... this is the difference inblue |
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The sooner you can help us create a DASH Ninja for masternode analytics... the better. Audits like duplicate MN proposal titles, etc... will make it easier to bring things to light. I also believe a decentralized discussion of proposals would be ideal. Something that has revision history, so any edits are tracked. Wish there was a decentralized git type of product where anyone can participate with an alias. Gotta research if there are any OpenAlias services that let you do decentralized discussions. This is ideal for proposal discussion, I think. For the forum.biblepay.org I turned off user edit/deletes for the main proposal forum. This is a start as for the toolset, working on it.. |
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Even though things have gotten personal with the sleights and insults, one thing appears to me. That we are a community, and some of what has been brought up really needs to come to light, for the community about how things are being handled. They affect us all. Let's have a non-censored discussion.
It's actually in the best interest of everyone. Let everyone hear. If you all want to argue about whether so-and-so is acting Christian enough, then PMs are the way to go. But for community-wide issues, like how proposals work behind the scenes and potential conflicts of interest. How can we say that only affects one person who needs to work it out in private? I don't want to make any comparisons to political parties who employ that tactic. Let's just say it tends to end badly for all. I'm really hoping that doesn't happen here.
Do I, as the owner of a tiny amount of biblepay, have the right to understand the proposal process?
Is it true anyone can just "reboot" their proposal until it passes (those with the most votes can take full advantage of this?
Can proposals really be hidden, and who has the decision on that?
How many nodes does the lead dev have?
These are examples of questions that arise because information only comes out piecemeal, maybe leaked from private conversations and messages. I don't want to see this sad trend continue, so let's get things out in the light, maybe then it's easier to trust again? The problem with "let's just start over", is the questions that spawned the controversy are left unadressed. so the release of tension is only temporary. Then the cycle starts again, maybe with something new added to the fire. We can fix this, but we have to make some new patterns.
Edit: spelling.
I'm getting a larger understanding of things that have and can go on. I agree with you that these are valid concerns, and do need to get addressed. What I'm working on is understanding. Until we can get to a starting place of respectful communication, nothing will get answered. What is clear to me is this: (from your list) 1. Rob has several MN's (I read earlier in this thread for my speculation, he denies the number and has not, and seems like will not answer this). 2. The Block Chain allows Proposals to be re-submitted.. For Charting/statistics this is managed through the same proposal name, and ideally is used to prevent budget over-runs (something will not be paid if the budget overflows). There is a legitimate purpose to this. Can this be used maliciously yes? is it a level playing field (ie 3. The proposals are never hidden on the blockchain (rpc command "gobject list" will provide the full account). New ones with the same name hide the old one on the forum (and biblepay-central) only, this is for "reporting" purposes. I don't mind having a more open discussion, I agree these are questions the "public" seems to want to know. I will ask for some patience, and give me some time to find the details, and work in the background to work towards better transparency. If you want answers, and progress, it will take effort. On all our parts. I also know, from my discussions Rob has a grand vision for this project.. His goal is not to see it fail. (think about if you spent a year of your life working on something like this...) My history here should be clear, I have no interest in being a "yes-man"... I will speak my mind, but if it is to be received how I speak it is just as important as what I say This has been a learning journey for me as well. By clean slate I was referring to not holding grudges, not just complaining, not saying "well we said this back then".... Act as if we were never here before and lets discuss issues as adults. (if you can't, at least pretend you are haha). I also would rather have these more in-depth discussions on the official forums... These threads are a wealth of knowledge but it gets buried pages back and most won't go digging for the gold. (I know I personally cant do it at this point). Hope all this makes sense, and we can start working together! |
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inblue:
On the proposal front I thought the original was still visible in the wallet?
Regardless, a masternode monitor/proposal history/vote tracker is in the works for my toolbox.. This will help bring transparency
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As an outsider to this heated conversation I agree with you. Rob seems to be amazing developer. But like myself and many of us developers we are not good at public discussions. This thread was going to right way as people were quite polite and there was lot of answers and improvements.
Nowadays I feel fearful as I see that rob has written to this thread.
I agree with you We would not be where we are without Rob's vision, dedication, and time for this project... I don't think he, (or anyone else) deserves to be attacked or ridiculed on a personal level, lets keep this above board. It's ok to ask questions and work on trust/accountability, but lets not reduce these issues to personal attacks, as that creates two problems that need to be addressed (and reduces the likelyhood of either being resolved). |
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I see you blocked me from PM's as well I'm not sure why... I would like to discuss further with you but I don't think every conversation needs to be in public.
Tell me one reason why. We're talking about project-related things, not our personal lives. I'm trying to help bridge some gaps. There is a time and place for public discussions, some of this stuff is dealing with more personal issues than anything else. I'm having a deep discussion with Rob in e-mail that I would not attempt to post here.. (I know it would not be received the same way, and would add more fuel to the fire). We were trying to start with a clean slate where t-mike and I were helping to maintain things here
Yes, I respect your and tmike's effort very much. Everything was well until user bible_pay showed up again. And wasn't the deal that he will retreat from this place? I can't remember your exact words. I appreciate your comments, and there has been a lot of bad blood.. I never said Rob couldn't speak here, but yes he agreed to let us manage the community. Old habits I suppose? Regardless, I am trying to be the referee here and work with both sides. If we continue to do back and forth fighting we will never make any progress. BOTH Sides need to cool off. Instead of personal attacks lets get to the heart of the issues... Give me some time to work through some of this.. |
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For something new... Read the details here: https://wiki.biblepay.org/Concept_POOMIf you want your voice heard, please join the discussion on the forum: (Comments here may be lost/buried, not intentionally)https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=306.0This discussion is open to everyone, please join us in talking through the pros / cons. I want to be clear, this is a pre-proposal, basically at the "open for public comment" phase of the discussion. |
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inblue: please check your attitude
Rob attacked me because I praised Togo's redesigned OP. Is that normal to you? And then he wanted me to apologize for my "lies", but I spoke the truth, it's in the blockchain, I will link it again if needed. And he also attacked Togo naming him "rogue" and naming "risky" his totally clean thread (which I checked). I don't agree with ANY of the attacks going on here... I think it's more how you spoke it than what was said. We(community managers) will address it with Rob to get the main post updated.
Lol, good luck with that, we've been trying that for months and for many times separated in time. I see you blocked me from PM's as well I'm not sure why... I would like to discuss further with you but I don't think every conversation needs to be in public. We were trying to start with a clean slate where t-mike and I were helping to maintain things here, and so far there have been issues that have been resolved due to this. I must have missed posts, or frankly wasn't worried about the OP so never considered it before.. Can you start fresh and give it a chance? |
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I agree with this, imho, a forced apology is worse than no apology. The heart is what really matters in any interaction. |
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