Yes I think QT was an idea without any concrete specification. There were many questions on the table regarding this. As usuall without any relevant answer. Author thinks that this could increase demand after BBP but its mistake. We still have a free market that would also advise on this speculation very well. I'll reply to both of you at the same time. Yes, I was a bit disappointed to see the thread disappear. He has also withdrawn the actual proposal as well, so I suppose it's fair. Perhaps the issue will come up again later and can actually be discussed. |
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I agree this is concerning, I wonder why he made it, hopefully he will explain. It changed yesterday but nobody was notified... Thanks for keeping an eye on the wiki for us! |
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Rob:
Would you consider updating the pool github?
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for mining BBP you getting 3 others coins = Byteball and DCC and NEUMANNIUM (ANN)
can you please explain how to get DCC rewards on boinc ? is it using grcpool ? I think he is referring to what used to be called "Sparc" https://alpha.sparc.network/index.html their coin is now DCC but i don't know of any place that trades the tokens yet |
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despite that, I would propose something along the lines of:
1. Don't vote for your own proposals (or if you must limit to 5? votes)
2. Limit voting on general proposals to less than 10% of the "Active" masternodes. Especially #1. In the past, some sloppy proposals were added that were half baked without any pre-proposal discussions. Its up to the proposer to mend this, but its up to him/her whether they want a pre-proposal discussion. I will say though that the content of what you vote should not change for the duration of the proposal. It comes off as amateurish and careless when the content of a proposal morphing on a daily basis. This is why the pre-proposal discussion is important to realize the different points of view and re-work your proposal with those considerations in mind. If we continue using forum.biblepay.org, I'm really against amendments... but if the proposal needs to be revised, it could be amended at the end explain why it is being revised. Or use another system altogether where revision history and discussion are available without having to register new accounts and the usual facebook, google, twitter, github, etc logins are already supported. Agreed.... I would like to see more "Pre-Proposals" an informal poll before we start down the path of a new feature. (or if we need a formal vote, lets do this prior to starting work as just a "should we evaluate it further") |
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Yes, our focus should be on the children.
Rob wants to work with us on improving the MN voting system to make it more balanced and democratic. Yesterday he said that he will not vote inappropriately with his sanc weight.
He also suggested that we "construct a true case for an improvement and discuss it for a while amongst each other - and then give it to a director that represents biblepay in a full coherent way and then forward to me."
It should be relatively simple to do this. Let's put our heads together and come up with a reasonable limit on the number of votes that any multiple MN owner casts for a proposal. The vote-limit number can be based on a percentage of the total voting MNs.
While the number of votes would be limited for each MN owner, they could still continue to own as many MNs as they choose.
Since there probably is no way to enforce compliance for every current or future MN whale, this would be a voluntary limit with compliance overseen by the community. We ultimately have to rely on the Lord for a good outcome. As long as we do His will, we will be successful.
What are your thoughts?
He said "You will all just have to trust that I won't vote inappropriately with my sanc weight." The phrasing of this concerns me a bit, but let's see how things progress. I agree if there are guidelines he agrees to, this would be awesome. And we're still waiting to hear who the directors are.. This makes it a bit hard to communicate with them. despite that, I would propose something along the lines of: 1. Don't vote for your own proposals (or if you must limit to 5? votes) 2. Limit voting on general proposals to less than 10% of the "Active" masternodes. |
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Please.... Feel free to take advantage of the buy's but why do you want to hurt the orphans this sale is going to help? |
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All,
I just notified Compassion of the cancellation of 206 of our monthly sponsorships. I asked them to transfer the credit balance remaining on these 206 children over to our remaining 100 children.
I will update the pool ASAP reflecting the Compassion changes. You should see 100 children for compassion and 32 from non-compassion later this evening. Bringing our total sponsored children to 132.
Sad this had to happen... With God's grace we will recover them. |
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But I will say this:
I apologize from the bottom of my heart for anything that has upset any of you. Please accept my apology.
I can't agree on shutting down sanctuaries as that was my hobby (to set them up). You will all just have to trust that I won't vote inappropriately with my sanc weight.
I will close the QT thread and cancel QT.
Let's start over in a non-toxic environment going forward.
Amen, apology accepted, and I have been praying for your housing situation to be resolved as quickly and painlessly as possible.
One thing from my perspective that I want to mention: A lot of times when someone approaches us with a problem, the improper (non loving) reply stems from the way they describe the problem on the forum - they post as either with a mean-spirited attack, or post with swear words, or post with an attitude that it could be better. We need to construct a true case for an improvement and discuss it for a while amongst each other - and then give it to a director that represents biblepay in a full coherent way and then
forward to me. Let's try to stop doing things in a mean spirited way.
1. Please let us know who the Directors are.. We cannot communicate with them if we don't know. 2. We cannot control how others talk, I think this is part of the problem. The answer to this is two-fold. - We ALL work on speaking as if the orphans were in front of us.(Yes me too)
- We start with Grace... as was given to us. Nobody will be perfect, and if there is an expectation on how/when/where/what people should present themselves (aside from the previous starting point) then WE(the reader) should look for the meaning, and not judge the intent.
NOBODY is ever perfect. We can only work on ourselves. Matthew 7:1-3 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? We cannot allow ourselves to justify our negative actions. It doesn't matter what "They" do only what "I" do. With that said, I am sorry I have offended you, and I know I have lashed back at times. (It becomes increasingly more difficult to respond kindly to someone that is attacking, but this is something we all must learn to do.) |
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Let us pray that those who display a toxic attitude turn to love, and find Jesus.
You would think from the appearance of this community that we were not of Jesus.
I'm receiving so many Toxic e-mails and posts that I need to tell all of you who are negative, you really need to listen to the Gospel and find Jesus to continue in our project.
As a community we have been praying for you as well, I believe you don't really see what you are doing to the community. Please stop attacking those who don't agree with you. Take a chance that most of us are looking to better the project. Come join the discussion https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5030298.new#new |
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We need a reasonable solution to Rob's apparent control of the outcome for any MN proposal. The best win-win scenario I can think of is for Rob to join us in solving the imbalance by contributing to this conversation.
For the good of the project and the children, he may be willing to voluntarily recuse himself in some fashion, either by agreeing to limit the number of votes he casts, or by not voting on his own proposals (or any crony props). Of course he would still have all of his MN votes to use if needed to defend against take-over attempts by evil players or other matters involving his conscience.
We're brothers and sisters in Christ. And just like His early disciples we will answer to the Lord personally. The world is watching us to see if we're genuine. Love/agape is the power we've been given. God is working thru us and his Holy Spirit is in us. His will be done.
Amen! He is welcome to join us over here.. I don't feel this is a discussion that can take place in the main thread unfortunately. Transparency and accountability is what we have been looking for. I'm not ANTI-Rob, and I hope he will participate in the discussion. |
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For Oni, It doesn't appear he is interested in masternodes. As for the suicide comment, please lets be civil here.. Suicide is serious topic and should not be taken lightly. |
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sunk818 you cant write that MN is for 700€ .... when big investor start to buy bbp....price will be raising
yes.,im wrote about pre-selling.... why he controling OPRHANS MNs and using it for vote self proposals? ... its manipulations.... im DASH users citation
so what happen when big 2-3 investors stops sponsoring orphans? will be next manipulation from Rob side?
Correct, the masternodes would required ~105 million BBP (around 46k USD) assuming 700$/node. Though if several new people join the team, it would be beneficial.. every new MN helps |
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Cross-Posting here since I expect this will be deleted on the other side. I thought this was just a concept, not something with time already invested..
If it is a spork, I thought you can manage the setting as a parameter. Code can exist without it being activated. That's my understanding anyway... Yeah, but if the proposal has a chance to not pass... The dev time for this "feature" shouldn't be mixed in with any other dev pay. I dont think your mother taught you about disrespect. This is rich coming from the person that call anyone that disagrees with him a Satanist, and seems to be calling people names more frequently.... Why do you insist on publicly deriding people? If Jesus did this, Christianity simply would not exist... Also, there is a huge difference between a "Satanist" (ie one who WORSHIPS satan) and a "Pagan" (Anyone else’s religion or belief system that rests outside of their own religion.) As for what my mother did or did not teach me, this statement alone shows your character sir. |
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sunk818 you cant write that MN is for 700€ .... when big investor start to buy bbp....price will be raising
yes.,im wrote about pre-selling.... why he controling OPRHANS MNs and using it for vote self proposals? ... its manipulations.... im DASH users citation
so what happen when big 2-3 investors stops sponsoring orphans? will be next manipulation from Rob side?
First off, Slovakia welcome over. Second, we could looks for the transactions where he "sold" masternodes to cover the cost of the orphans... Though considering he is making enough for a new MN every week (or to fund the 8mil for orphans) monthly off just MN payments this does seem odd.. (this is not taking into account mining rewards). |
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thanks for the clarification, MODS: Can you move this if you think that's a better place? |
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Oh I'm aware God still loves me. I just want others to know what kind of person he is. I don't see a "Godly" man going around threatening to label others as "satanists" simply because they disagree with him or dislike some of the behavior he may have been a part of...
If the team membership requirement was removed, I would return. However, I have a strong sense of dedication to my team and will not switch simply because HE is mimicing Gridcoins marketing success. However, what he should be watching it Byteballs success without NEEDING to require the team membership.
The problem is Gridcoin is in the blacklist to prevent "abuse" per Rob |
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Could it be that the pre-selling is partly because Compassion has to be paid before a certain date each month and the superblock has some variation in terms of it's date?
He said on the BBP forum that it was because of price. |
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For those with masternodes: YOUR VOTE COUNTS.Currently Rob(aka biblepay) seems to have 84 ACTIVE masternodes he votes with. With these numbers, he controls roughly 1/3 the ACTIVE masternodes and 2/3 of the VOTING masternodes. As of today he has effectively wiped out the "NO" votes for the team requirement proposal. Please participate, just like anything your vote matters.Summary: Total Votes: 120 Votes Yes: 78 No : 40 Final: 38 Robs Votes: 40 Votes Yes: 40 No : 0 Final: 40eef54b66ff684f5838963f4b42331c26afe2d11e44f6934e3591f78908c5e9d5
Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:26:33 -0500 - Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:26:33 -0500
Remove BOINC team requirement to participate in BiblePay
Rob: voted: YES Mon, 03 Sep 2018 13:47:20 -0500raw: 1536000440
Rob: voted: YES Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:25 -0500raw: 1535642365
Rob: voted: YES Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:09 -0500raw: 1535642349
Rob: voted: YES Mon, 03 Sep 2018 13:47:22 -0500raw: 1536000442
Rob: voted: YES Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:21:06 -0500raw: 1535595666
Rob: voted: YES Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:21:05 -0500raw: 1535595665
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:56 -0500raw: 1536684896
Rob: voted: YES Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:08 -0500raw: 1535642348
Rob: voted: YES Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:19:10 -0500raw: 1535642350
Rob: voted: YES Mon, 03 Sep 2018 13:47:25 -0500raw: 1536000445
Rob: voted: YES Mon, 03 Sep 2018 13:47:24 -0500raw: 1536000444
Rob: voted: YES Mon, 03 Sep 2018 13:47:26 -0500raw: 1536000446
Rob: voted: YES Mon, 03 Sep 2018 13:47:26 -0500raw: 1536000446
Rob: voted: YES Mon, 03 Sep 2018 13:47:27 -0500raw: 1536000447
Rob: voted: YES Mon, 03 Sep 2018 13:47:29 -0500raw: 1536000449
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 04 Sep 2018 13:46:22 -0500raw: 1536086782
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:29 -0500raw: 1536684869
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:30 -0500raw: 1536684870
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:32 -0500raw: 1536684872
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:33 -0500raw: 1536684873
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:34 -0500raw: 1536684874
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:34 -0500raw: 1536684874
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:35 -0500raw: 1536684875
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:37 -0500raw: 1536684877
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:39 -0500raw: 1536684879
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:40 -0500raw: 1536684880
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:53 -0500raw: 1536684893
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:54 -0500raw: 1536684894
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:55 -0500raw: 1536684895
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:55 -0500raw: 1536684895
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:58 -0500raw: 1536684898
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:59 -0500raw: 1536684899
Rob: voted: YES Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:49:53 -0500raw: 1536922193
Rob: voted: YES Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:49:51 -0500raw: 1536922191
Rob: voted: YES Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:49:54 -0500raw: 1536922194
Rob: voted: YES Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:49:57 -0500raw: 1536922197
Rob: voted: YES Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:49:58 -0500raw: 1536922198
Rob: voted: YES Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:54:32 -0500raw: 1536684872
Rob: voted: YES Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:49:56 -0500raw: 1536922196
Rob: voted: YES Fri, 14 Sep 2018 05:49:56 -0500raw: 1536922196
His other new pet feature: a47400f3afc64f31531ce8bc7d02847366106a2cd9ac6509fa4d5f98ba4808c1 Sat, 15 Sep 2018 15:13:11 -0500 - Sat, 15 Sep 2018 15:13:11 -0500 Should we implement Quantitative Tightening in BiblePay? Rob: voted: YES Sun, 16 Sep 2018 08:43:03 -0500raw: 1537105383 Rob: voted: YES Sat, 15 Sep 2018 19:12:21 -0500raw: 1537056741 Total Votes: 2 Votes Yes: 2 No : 0 Final: 2 Robs Votes: 2 Votes Yes: 2 No : 0 Final: 2 |
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