2nd time
any contact to BBP paperwallet (webster) coder?
I saw you post the link, what did you want us to contact them about? |
|
|
|
The only way I could see it working is if it were tied to bitcoin, and then some conversion to BBP. Again, the problem with exchanges. The hop from BTC to BBP would have to be transparent.
Frankly, I think this, like finding merchants to take BBP directly, is something that may work down the road, but feels premature to me. The project needs a much bigger base to take this step. It feels like we're trying to skip steps, but I'm not sure what the next step should be.
Sorry, I think it's a case of "can't get there from here".
You don't need to apologize.. Can't change the facts! I can see your points, hopefully we can find something in between. |
|
|
|
I should've posted when I decided to take it offline but whatever. This forum has been a mess with petty shit that I don't want anything to do with. I'm not gonna keep the site up it was never that well coded or optimized the server was way to expensive and it was still really slow. I also own biblepaypool.com and never did anything with it they both expire on December 26th 2018 if anyone wants to register. I really liked your faucet SEO! Thank you for running it For future tinkerers, was there a certain code base that you used? This was my previous research on faucets below to anyone interested I've got some ideas for it.. will see about grabbing the domains  |
|
|
|
1000x wrote
paid for PR professionals
Know any? |
|
|
|
Even if the proposed POG solution with it's own set of rules/terminology has some merit, the timing is questionable. With POOM still in discussion, POG will be perceived as another example of the impulsive leadership style that investors have grown weary of.
It's also unlikely that POG will repair our multi-faceted public relations problem. It could easily do more harm than good by causing loyal yet battle-stressed investors to leave the project. If that happens, this attempt to attract new money with an untested idea will amplify the attrition problem.
Instead of reacting to the current PR challenges by adding another layer of well-intended complexity, I suggest we first focus on making it easier to setup the features we already have before introducing anything new like POG or POOM. At the very least I think we should remain steady during this latest bitcoin price implosion and postpone any major changes until after Christmas.
I get the concerns about frequent changes... but the most common heard issue is "its so dang hard to get setup"... I have concerns about removing the stake requirement, and some other aspects but in general I like the idea. I do agree PR is a large issue we need to address.. I'm open to suggestions |
|
|
|
Fixed; sorry about that; data response size was bigger than the allowed buffer; Fixed.
I just saw the first new block in the podc list in BC. Looks good Licht: can you pm me, i'd like to talk a bit via email |
|
|
|
Hi everyone! A few comments here, if I'm allowed.... First of all, I'm getting really tired of those "fights" on this discussion thread. It really looks like angry teens fighting, with often silly and unproved arguments, and it mostly makes the project look like something not attractive at all. Especially concerning the purpose and name of the project... Really disappointing. Then, concerning the "Proof of Giving"... Maybe someone will give a simple and clear explanation of how this actually works (not with specific terms, eventually created for the purpose of the project, but with general accessible vocabulary) ("tithe"?? really? we're talking about "tithe"? I'm not native English but I'm fluent, and I had to check the translation for this word...). Then people will be able to understand how it's supposed to work. But for now, I get really lost in the explanations on the wiki page  That's for the "simplification" part Maybe it will actually be easier to start working with the BiblePay project using that new "algorithm", but I do believe that the "easy" part of it has to come from the applications that allow a new member to create a new wallet and start the mining process. Give that "Proof of Giving", "Proof of Distributed Computing" or "Proof of Waking Up Early In the Morning" names won't change anything, as long as the user has to go through a fastidious process to start it all. The PoDC concept is not bad at all, the fact that new users have to get to a certain amount of staked BBP to be able to get their 100% reward is smart and good too, it would just all be clearer if we had one modern and stylish application that configures everything in a few clicks, and then clearly shows what to expect (what you get from that podcstatus.php one user posted, but more "synthetic", for example using some gauges to show the current status, the estimated delay before going "full PODC", and some red/light checkboxes to show whether BOINC is correctly linked and everything). This application could even be used to give members access to those lovely photos of the orphans and the helped people that benefit from our actions, and also to access some specific docs (accounting and such). No member would ever ask those neverending "I registered few days ago but I cannot see my xxxx info on the pool/biblepay-central and I'm not receiving any BBP yet, how can I be sure that I did everything right?" And the global feeling will be more friendly and welcoming, less hardcore-techie geek (not saying that the members are not very welcoming, I did feel very welcome when I joined the community few months ago, and people were very helpful to guide me through the hassle of setting everything right). I'm 100% sure that focusing on this aspect would do much more for global adoption than any algorithm change. Peace to everyone, and be nice to eachother! I agree on the being nice to eachother! I will try to work on a more simple description of POG, it seems to be an issue for non-native English speakers. Also, Red/Green checks for indicators will be added to the PODC Status script soon |
|
|
|
Reminder to discuss POG: https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=319.new#newAlso I see we have a ton of Proposals in pool.biblepay.org that are not voted on (someone did vote on one) - see proposals in wallet or in pool and please vote sancs. (We have 8.5 more days before the superblock). When does voting for superblocks end? |
|
|
|
me too i think i had enough of all these proofs and game rules changes... and price will soon go to 4 * 10^-8, then 3, 2, 1 and it seems to me it does not look good at all... daemonko, whats your native language? I think this concept could be good, will be easier to participate and mine. |
|
|
|
Moving a discussion from the community thread over here..thesnat21, thanks for the response. I agree it can be a vicious circle. I don't want to post there because the environment doesn't seem aligned with what I'd post. But if I don't post, then I can't help change the environment. I'll have to meditate on this more, maybe I need to be the change I want to see. For now, this thread feels more open to these kinds of discussion without concern for censorship based on a single person's perspective. The censorship for the perception of not being "positive" about the project does bug me, especially when the person doing the censoring often goes on the attack themselves?
Still working on this, but I also believe there is also a point when someone breaks after being attacked routinely... Rob had an interesting perspective, and I've been trying to figure out how to articulate it... Basically he looks at BBP as a business, and he's the CEO(at present until we are large enough), though he seems to be delegating more which is good. So people attacking the integrity of the project, he is perceiving as an attack on the "business" and responding, trying to keep our reputation in tact. Methods do matter and this is a subject we are talking through. He believes we can handle any negative reports, if it is presented in a professional way. Here is an example from him: " Rob, could you please audit the orphan payments this month and give us a report, as we believe there is something strange going on, thanks. If I didn’t follow up, post again saying: Could you please look into this, we didn’t receive a reply. I can assure you, there would have been a night-day difference in the handling of this."
Even the news media has to say "allegedly", as to not get sued for slander... It's a strange world when even someone on video committing a crime is an "alleged" suspect... But we don't offer remotely the same to people on the internet, it's much easier to accuse than to ask. (and being an "impersonal" interaction make this easier as well I believe) I notice it seems like a small number of people are responsible for the vast majority of the posts, which are very technically detailed, and I'm not sure who the audience most of you are speaking to.
...
Shouldn't there be more diverse activity for a 500+ page thread?
Actually there are around 800 pages when you count the old thread. Very interesting observation! I agree, this is something very strange for this coin... Other coins of this market cap have many many times fewer posts, and much bigger coins have a lot of diversity in the posts, from a lot of different users. So BiblePay seems almost like a cult of loyal followers, but very few of them, but they are very active. The coin getting more and more complicated only helps to further isolate the cult from potential new members. But I still believe there are a lot of lurkers who only ever read and not post, but they read often and follow the developments. I'm not sure how to contribute on the main ANN thread. It feels like there's no room there.
Could you elaborate on this? How is there no room in that thread? Is it because of Rob who instills fear of posting, or something else? Still, it feels like there's a gap somewhere, but I can't put my finger on it..
Well said, I actually feel that way too, I just can't understand what I'm feeling, but this phrase of yours "there's a gap somewhere" solidified my thoughts. I think so too, but I also don't know what it is. It's maybe related to what I wrote in the first paragraph above. I follow many projects too, and neither of them feels even remotely like BiblePay. Well, I think the word cult is too strong, and not exactly appropriate. It just seems with a lack of diversity, things kind of become a self-feeding closed loop. This has been my observation throughout life, not limited to BBP. When I read the main thread, it's mostly reports from "worker bees", what the main core of people are working on. But I'm having trouble piecing it all together into a cohesive whole. I don't have any problem with Rob, and have a deep feeling of wanting to help him, to help the project (I do wish he'd chill out some). It's hard when you take the mantle of responsibility for something. It can lead to all kinds of control issues. Getting a project to thrive always means letting more people get involved, which means letting go to some extent. It's difficult, especially for IT folks, and when you personally care about the outcome. This is where surrender to God becomes very helpful, like "I don't want this project to succeed, without divine approval, and I can't know what that is ahead of time." That's how I see it. I thought about that "gap" more. What I see is, as you said, is an intense concentration of posts by the core folks, and then what feels like a moat before it gets to people like me. It kind of feels like being on the outside. You need the core for functioning, but you also need a bigger involvement to grow. It's vital to a project's (any project's) health to bring in new people. Being on the "inside" all the time, it's too easy to forget one's "beginner mind". It will actually be impossible to retain this being very involved in the project, which is why it's vital to always have newbies, and not deride them for needing "hand-holding". It's hard to account for how damaging that is, or how many people just walk away after getting the feeling of not being honored and wanted. I'm still new enough to have that kind of mind, and that's what I bring to each of the projects I'm involved with. If I can't succinctly explain what a project is to my parents, or someone at the supermarket without the jargon like PoBH and such, that's a sign that it's going to be hard to grow without more focus. I do writing on the side, and it's important to have an "elevator pitch", a 20 second explanation for the endeavor. I would say for BBP, it should just be the fundamental hope to bring genuine Christian values to cryptocurrency. It doesn't matter if it's orphans or widows, that's not the heart of it. It's the hope. I think that gets obscured somewhat. (see comment about use cases at bottom). Personally, I think the Dash model doesn't help. It seems to me to be very non-democratic, and difficult to interface with the project's values as I seem them. But I realize that's already set in stone. Some other projects don't have such formal duties, and when it's time for an exchange, it's just asked that people donate crypto when interested in a new exchange. It seems more inclusive and free-flowing, and community-driven. And if people don't want to fund it, then it doesn't happen. Nobody takes ultimate responsibility. Here, it seems very formal (maybe the project's size needs that?), and like BBP is employment for some. I just can't wrap my mind around things like IT and marketing budgets. They're needed, but on a continual basis every month? It's as if BBP is an employment opportunity, which I think looks odd from the outside--the haves and have-nots. The expenses always seem tied to the same few people always spinning off new ideas that cost bbp to implement. Sure, Rob says step up if you want to be involved, but frankly it's not a very open environment at present and I question to what degree he means that. And I'm not sure the core group will allow the space for that to happen, which can really hamper long-term growth. A project this size should have at least a dozen people cranking out code, which would allow for more volunteer opportunities and lessen the "budget". Thanks for your feedback and attention. I wouldn't put this much thought into it if I didn't see a lot of promise for this coin. Edit: One thing I think BBP is missing is use cases for the coin. It kind of functions as a currency for the core group, but why would your average Joe or Jane Smith use the coin, other than as an investment? It kind of seems like the coin's use, outside the core group, is lost. This is a big problem for a lot of crypto, but really apparent here. I agree on the use case, this is something we could use help in... If you want to help us with that, we could use someone to do Due Diligence on Debit cards for BiblePay, and/or finding a Christian merchant who sells bibles and would agree to integrate with us to accept BiblePay in their storefront. These are projects on our roadmap, and even having some of the initial steps done would further our utility goals. When the time comes, Rob offere dto help with the integration as well. (I would offer whatever assistance I could.) I've pointed out some of the posts here to Rob, and he agrees your posts/concerns/comments are welcome in the main thread, and he pledges not to judge anyone for not being "in the know"! I think this is a good discussion and may bring more attention and openness/thought to the project. And look forward to your contributions! In Rob's words: We forgot how valuable new user opinions are, because we became advanced, but still pledge to be malleable enough to be children at heart going forward
|
|
|
|
I notice it seems like a small number of people are responsible for the vast majority of the posts, which are very technically detailed, and I'm not sure who the audience most of you are speaking to.
...
Shouldn't there be more diverse activity for a 500+ page thread?
Actually there are around 800 pages when you count the old thread. Very interesting observation! I agree, this is something very strange for this coin... Other coins of this market cap have many many times fewer posts, and much bigger coins have a lot of diversity in the posts, from a lot of different users. So BiblePay seems almost like a cult of loyal followers, but very few of them, but they are very active. The coin getting more and more complicated only helps to further isolate the cult from potential new members. But I still believe there are a lot of lurkers who only ever read and not post, but they read often and follow the developments. I'm not sure how to contribute on the main ANN thread. It feels like there's no room there.
Could you elaborate on this? How is there no room in that thread? Is it because of Rob who instills fear of posting, or something else? Still, it feels like there's a gap somewhere, but I can't put my finger on it..
Well said, I actually feel that way too, I just can't understand what I'm feeling, but this phrase of yours "there's a gap somewhere" solidified my thoughts. I think so too, but I also don't know what it is. It's maybe related to what I wrote in the first paragraph above. I follow many projects too, and neither of them feels even remotely like BiblePay. Interesting observations.. I'm curious about this "gap" and what can be done to close it... Site note: I appreciate you posting on the Proof of Giving proposal on the bbp forums inblue I think all these discussions are important, and I appreciate the discussion and trying to track down what is going on. I agree we have a loyal following, but need to do more to bring new folks in. I don't believe we try to be overly technical.. But this is the curse of IT as well I suppose haha, it tends to spill out in "normal" conversations as well. |
|
|
|
Thanks.
Task weight shows still zero for everyone. Could you fix that too?
Task weight is 0 for everyone, currently we are in DR mode 1, since task weight for WCG is more difficult to pull. please see this thread for more details: https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=318.0 |
|
|
|
New discussion thread / concept... Proof Of Giving https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=319.msg4700#msg4700Please read over the concept on the wiki, and provide feedback. Again this is a pre-implementation discussion, trying to gauge feedback. I believe this concept would simplify things quite a bit, and would replace the current distributed computing process. |
|
|
|
I wandered over to the official forum, but the activity level seems pretty low, and I couldn't find a place for a high-level philosophical discussion there. I honestly think more people read the threads over here.
I also wanted to get your input on a couple of questions. Why isn't there more community involvement with this coin? I notice it seems like a small number of people are responsible for the vast majority of the posts, which are very technically detailed, and I'm not sure who the audience most of you are speaking to. It would take me a lot of time to figure out what everyone's talking about, so most of it just sails over my head. Maybe others feel the same way? This is by far the most demanding project to try and understand.
Shouldn't there be more diverse activity for a 500+ page thread? If so, what do you think we can do to improve that? I'm not sure how to contribute on the main ANN thread. It feels like there's no room there.
The second question is my biggest concern, which is the extremely low volume. How can we improve this? It seems like on a lot of project I follow, people gravitate towards getting lsited on more exchanges as the solution. But does that really bring investors in, or is it a case of "if you build it, they will come" (which I don't think works). Of course the overall bear market doesn't help. Still, it feels like there's a gap somewhere, but I can't put my finger on it..
Sorry for continuing this thread, but it still feels relevant as a community disucssion.
For the bbp forum I'm open to suggestions on new threads over there.. so far people seem reluctant to sign up (outside the core team). If people are unwilling to start discussions because of a lack of discussions, it seems like a circular issue.. If we could "win over" to start posting it may help. I agree with the volume concern, adding exchanges has not seemed to help the current situation much unfortunately. I would be reluctant to attempt another at this moment, due to the fee's associated with most exchanges (and the time required for the exhange fund to re-stock at our current valuation). On the other side, most exchanges require a certain volume to keep listed. Rob spoke to another opportunity for next year possibly. Overall the bear market has been ruthless for the majority of crypto! I don't know how much longer this is going to continue but I don't feel there is much room for us to grow until it turns around. However, I do pray I am wrong! I'm working on some data collection and reporting.. This should give us some more insight into the userbase and i'm hoping show us some ideas to fix things. |
|
|
|
What is the status with next Exchange listing?
I'm not aware of any plans for a new exchange... We need more volume on the current exchanges. And I guess it is the same answer for PR budget question right? In other words probably it is game over. check other coins  dont be so smart, you are the one who made the most negative PR on the chat here :-) dont you remember ? There is budget for PR.. Are you offering to do some? that would be awesome. Otherwise, please give some ideas how we could use the PR budget |
|
|
|
What is the status with next Exchange listing?
I'm not aware of any plans for a new exchange... We need more volume on the current exchanges. |
|
|
|
Thanks Slovakia Added to Reddit sidebar I noticed the coin supply is 533 million? no problem,dont know where is problem, i tried find out  MIP,SNAT excellent work on PPAs thanks PPA is all MIP's doing |
|
|
|
Biblepay 1.1.6.1-Leisure
* RPC command 'spork show' improved (thesnat21).
* typos and text corrections (sunk818)
* changes to support new launchpad PPAs (MIP)
Thanks MIP! Also, sanctuaries it's an important update... Not mandatory, but preferred! Other items: * Resuming standard World Community Grid unbanked payments (new host verification method) no more limit to 100rac for WCG |
|
|
|
I believe these are the old/original proposals from October, they are still showing in the wallet. They should not be considered in the next superblock. |
|
|
|
|
Show Posts
