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181  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: August 09, 2018, 09:22:59 PM
It's been a busy deadline day in the EPL. Some of the most important transfers so far:

  • Yerry Mina (Barcelona) to Everton.
  • Andrés Gomes (Barcelona) to Everton on loan.
  • Sergio Rico (Sevilla) to Fulham on loan.
  • Lucas Perez (Arsenal) to West Ham.
  • Carlos Sáchez (Espanyol) to West Ham.
  • Dendocker (Anderletch) to Wolves on loan.
  • Kepa to Chelsea confirmed. Kovacic (Real Madrid) also joins Chelsea on loan.
  • Bernard (Shakhtar Donetsk) to Everton.
  • Kalinic (AC Milan) to Atletico Madrid.
  • Federico Fernández (Swansea) to Newcastle.
  • Luciano Vietto (Atletico Madrid) to Fulham on loan.
  • Jordan Ayew (Swansea) to Crystal Palace on loan.
  • Mensah (Man Utd) to Fulham on loan.
  • Danny Ings (Liverpool) to Southampton
  • Frank Zambo Anguissa (Marseille) to Fulham
  • Montoya (Valencia) to Brighton


I'm done with updates. I believe those are the biggest signings of the day, especially in the EPL.

I believe Tottenham becomes the first club in the history of the EPL to not make a signing during a summer transfer window.
Man Utd
Thanks, I wanted to see these transfers. I missed out on a lot of EPL transfers, and transfers from relatively small clubs. Everton might have a better chance than Tottenham this year lol. You got to applaud the

it's 80M euros if it was 71 Alisson would have stayed the highest fee paid for a GK Liverpool paid 75M Euros also i heared that Keppa had only 20M realease clause and they bomped to 80 when they renewed his contract that move gained them 60M they are now thrilled with that the only problem will be  finding a good Basque keeper will not be easy.
Manchester United dreams of signing Meguire have been boosted as Leicester are getting two defenders before window closes Filip Benkovic have already done his medical coming from Dinamo zagreb for £13.5M and turkish defender Caglar Soyuncu coming from Freiburg for £22.5M.
west Ham are about to complete the signing for the 29 spanish forward Lucas Perez from Arsenal, he will cost them a some of £5M.
crystal Palace and fulham want to buy swensea striker Andre ayew from swensea the Ghanian forwaed is refusing to stay in Championship and dose not want to train with the club.
Fuck me, I meant Pounds. So at the end, nor was Pogba sold, nor did Man United acquire Maguire? I am wondering what Mourhino is going to do now. He had issues with the board regarding their spendings.

I found it quite funny when Mourhino was all like," Its Liverpool, they are buying all the best players." But then you realize that Mourhino has spent twice the amount of money than Klopp from the time they have been managers.
So Hazard never left? Didn't he want to leave or something?
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184  Economy / Speculation / Re: ETF postponed creates another dip on: August 08, 2018, 11:51:04 PM
I think the securitization of Bitcoin is bad news all around. It doesn't eliminate the purpose of Bitcoin, but it distracts from it. The protocol/network keeps chugging along no matter what. You won't see me treating ETF shares as sound money. It's paper based on trust.

But the problem is that society bows so heavily to authority. People will trust (and some Bitcoin folks around here already do trust) that "paper backing" is as good as real bitcoins. But this is inevitable. It's really not much different than counterfeiting coins in the traditional sense. Most people simply trust legal face value.

Re: the currency vs. investment dilemma: I think Bitcoin was created to be sound money. Money is only an investment insofar as Gresham's law ("bad money drives out good"). As long as our economies are dominated by freely printed and debased currencies, people will invest in BTC. There's no way around that.

So I guess we should expect these slimy derivative products to come to market as well. All we can do is preach the difference between real BTC and paper BTC.
How does it not eliminate the purpose of bitcoin? It eliminates the fact that bitcoin was supposed to be a peer to peer currency eliminating the usage of 3rd party intermediaries. ETF sucks and people need to understand that. Hell people even got scammed by such methods(through unofficial sources who were actually scammers).

Unfortunately at the moment I don't have a counter argument about the currency vs investment dilemma, good points made there. But the ETF thing, fuck that.  
185  Economy / Economics / Re: US Congressman gets paid to trash Bitcoin on: August 08, 2018, 11:41:21 PM
Basically, this man to got paid by a credit card processor company (the biggest donation he's had) in order to trash Bitcoin because they know that if Bitcoin keeps gaining terrain it would displace their business. Of course and once again, nothing to do with them trying to protect idiots whom "will get burned by bitcoin".

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bitcoin-crock-politician-received-biggest-180229189.html?guccounter=1


Dude, don't bother about these fuckers. The fact that they get paid for this sort of shit, which is saddening.

But remember that the US congressmen have admitted that they are afraid of bitcoin and they think it might take over bitcoin.  Roll Eyes They'll come around and get what they deserve.

Money laundering is a crime, and check the congressman's "donation" page: https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/summary?cid=N00006897



186  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think Bitcoin will change, like PayPal did? on: August 08, 2018, 11:26:21 PM
Paypal is fuckall shit. I hate it, but unfortunately a lot of services only accept paypal.

I am shook that you think that the possibility of bitcoin ever becoming like paypal exists. It won't. They are based on different backgrounds. Bitcoin's fees may go high up when all the 21 million bitcoins are mined,since miners would only be able to get fees as a reward, but who knows what will happen till then. Just live in the moment.
187  Economy / Speculation / Re: ETF postponed creates another dip on: August 08, 2018, 10:47:19 PM
This sensational fuss over the ETF is borderline lunacy. It's just another reason to jerk the price around and stop out everyone who hid under the 7000 level or wherever. I'm getting sick and tired of these 30,000 by Dec / 50,000 by Oct / 100,000,000 by 2020 forecasts. How in the hell can anyone have a true idea of what the coin's value is going to be if there are no fundamental values to base a judgement on? Forecasters have a hard enough time doing it even when the values do exist.

This dip is just another good reason to hang on and chill out. It's not the doom, and the ETF isn't the future.
ETF is crap. Bitcoin was created to be a mainstream currency and not to be a main stream investment(which I am afraid it already has). ETF eliminates the purpose of bitcoin. So fuck that shit.

Can someone start a petition and ask the assholes who want to get bitcoin ETFs approved to shut the fuck up and get away from bitcoin and its community? Thanks.
188  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: August 08, 2018, 10:25:05 PM
It has been confirmed that he really did phone Mourinho to tell him that he is not joining united. Too bad indeed, I was hoping Boateng could join him. I dont even impressed with any deal from real madrid. Basically they could almost sign any player that they want to. The only news Im waiting for now is another exclusive major deals coming from premier league
Well, you got to applaud the guts and confidence in Boateng.

Last year Perez was all like"I won't sell Ronaldo even if they weigh his value in gold." Well, look what happened.


Kepa to Chelsea for 71 Million Euros confirmed. He will be the highest signed Goal Keeper ever. I am disappointed that it was him and not someone to get such a title.
189  Economy / Economics / Re: DOJ launching a criminal probe into BTC price manipulation on: August 08, 2018, 09:51:15 PM
DOJ launching a criminal probe into BTC price manipulation.

Looks like we'll soon find out if the whales are artificially pumping the price

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-05-24/doj-launches-criminal-probe-bitcoin-market-manipulation

That will only be bound within the United States right? If that is the case, Korean/Chinese/Asian pumpers would get away from it. Looks like SEC and the entire US is after making bitcoin their new bitch(meaning making it centralized), just like what they did to the Stock markets and every investment that ever existed.

Even if the criminal probe has been launched, there's no assurance that they will catch the pump and dump fuckers.
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I think the issue was one bracket was missing. Jeremypwr, can you confirm this? I am wearing the new updated signature right now.
191  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: August 08, 2018, 08:47:56 PM
That's not fun if you're a Tottenham fan LOL but I'm sure they'll make some surprising signings tomorrow...right?  Cheesy
Well, its a good thing that I am not a Spurs fan.  Grin Surprise signings, hmm, I reckon they won't.


So there is possible to create good team without spending fortune

Last plots Boateng is going to stay with Bayern Pogba wants to leave because he doesn't like Mourinho but Manchester wants him to stay
Last 48 hours in England is coming so will be crazy

I am not sure if Boateng will stay with Bayern. I would be glad if so, because I'm a fan of Bayern. But I think ManU is playing poker. The offered transfer fee was comparatively low. I think ManU will again make a higher offer. Bayern and Boateng have signaled to be interested in an offer.
Boateng personally phoned Mourhino and told he is not going to Manchester United.

Its official, Thibaut Courtois is the latest player to join the Real Madrid squad for around 35 Million Euros.
192  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is our assurance that Bitcoin will stay for long or forever? on: August 08, 2018, 06:24:17 PM
What is our assurance that Bitcoin will stay for long or forever?  There is a prophesy I have heard that Bitcoin will fall.
Can you share some strong reasons of why Bitcoin will last?
The assurance is neat and simple. So long as humans exist, so long as bitcoin has a monetary value, so long as people keep mining/buying bitcoin,and so long as people use it, bitcoin won't fall. Basically only if humans all turn their backs on bitcoin, it will fall.

Otherwise, the chances are equivalent to hell taking over the earth.
193  Economy / Economics / Re: Global financial crisis on: August 07, 2018, 11:53:20 PM
I'm expecting a new crisis to arise in the next 4-6 years, i think what's happening in the loan and reposition industry creates a pathological state.
Banks are still feeling too safe for what they're doing, their mistakes will sooner or later bring on a decline.
Also considering austrian cycle theory, i'd say we're in the boom. Soon gold and solid cryptos might be the go-to when it comes to keeping your money safe.

How long do you guys think we have until we face the next crisis?
The crisis can be any time from now. Trade war is going on China, Kim Jong Un has had meetings with Trump, Iran in on the verge of getting destroyed and a lot of shit. There is also recession everywhere, with increasing number of assholes in this world. Governments themself don't know what they are doing and possibly all this could turn into a huge and the biggest World War we have ever seen. The World isn't a good place and then there are people doing  #kiki challenge.
194  Economy / Speculation / Re: How far is 50k bitcoin? on: August 07, 2018, 11:37:59 PM
I can not possibly say how far the $50k bitcoin is but all I can say with certainty is that it is so much closer that you would think it is. for example last year when price was still $900 people were arguing about when $1200 (the previous ATH) would be reached and how that will take a long time. and then the bubble talks began and nobody even thought it would reach $20k in a year.

$50k is no different either. as soon as we get out of this accumulation/manipulation phase that bitcoin is stuck in we will start the rise towards that target easily.
Last year we had a different scenario. But 50k $ is a little too far, at least a year away minimum, max I would say 3-4 years. We can't go by the charts all the time, because things happen and they have consequences for it. Bubble talks by Jamie literally saddened the markets for a while and then out of nowhere the bitcoin gold forks pumped up people's moods to buy more bitcoin. Because free money. But now we can't have the same case, forks are shit now.
195  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: August 07, 2018, 11:31:14 PM
Transfer window in England is closing in few days so we will be bombarded by press news
Last one is from The Times
Pogba to Barca for 224 mln euro i really can't believe all that hype
Wow. Pogba to Barca? All this while people were all about Pogba going to Juve.

Fun fact: Tottenham Hotspur hasn't signed anybody in the whole Transfer Window and is the only team in the Premier League for not having signed anybody.

Some last hour goalkeeper transfer rumours I found quite interesting: Chelsea are looking for a new goalie before the transfer window closes on Thursday. Allegedly they are trying to sign Jan Oblak from Atletico Madrid as their number 1 priority and if that deal doesn't go through they will try getting Jack Butland from Stoke City instead. Thibaut Courtois is likely to join Real Madrid if Chelsea let him go.

I hope Chelsea don’t sign Oblak, he’s a top class goalkeeper. Yeah, let them sign Jack Butland instead.

fourfourtwo.com rank him the best goalkeeper in the world right now  Roll Eyes

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/ranked-10-best-goalkeepers-world
Chelsea doesn't seem to be interested in Oblak ,now that they are almost too close to signing Kepa for 80 Mil and news also state that Kepa would be arriving in London tomorrow.
196  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Up to Two-Thirds of Bitcoin Transactions Have No Economic Value on: August 07, 2018, 11:17:53 PM
IMO there's nothing much we can do. People these days prefer HODL their bitcoin over spend/use it because more people realize the potential of Bitcoin which could make Bitcoin price skyrocketing while many newcomers only think Bitcoin as investment.

I guess Bitcoin legality as currency/payment method or/and adaption by merchant/service are most efficient way to make Bitcoin transaction have economic value.
Trading has slowed down so much. The markets are not in a great position and people are scared that they would also lose what they have.

Also, sometime some fuckers(whales) just send their coins from address to another just to prove there is a constant flow to raise the price, I personally think that affects the true value.
197  Economy / Economics / Re: USA/China Trade War and Crypto on: August 07, 2018, 10:56:06 PM
Most people have literally no money. So we just need to convince the big whales that diversifying their portfolio on Bitcoin, even with 1%, will be a good idea. With just 1 to 5% of the top 1000 fortunes on Bitcoin, the price would be really high, I haven't done the math but I think it's all it takes to go $500,000 to $1,000,000:



If you sum the top 2 tiers you get 220 trillion USD (the purple top) so we need that this top goes 10% on BTC and we would get a 20 trillion marketcap in other words $1,000,000 per coin. I think this is doable in the next decade or so.

Also if you keep track of these charts you'll see that the rich just keep getting richer so the incentive for them to diversify in Bitcoin will grow too.
We don't have to convince anybody. People say they want adoption and all that shit, but in reality they don't. Sure, the price will go high, but things might just start getting much worse from then onwards.

Convincing whales is pointless, but I believe most of them have invested in bitcoin, and those who say they haven't are pathetic liars who don't want to ruin their reputation by saying that they are involved in bitcoin. Either that, or they really hate/dislike bitcoin and don't have a clue on what bitcoin is.

That chart is so damn informative, thanks for that. I was shook when I saw that there are 33 Million millionaires and yet the world hasn't got rid of poverty. What a sad world we live in.

It would be interesting to see the same pyramid/chart for bitcoin holders, in similar manner, like how many people have more bitcoins and similar data.

Bitcoin can go to a million dollar per coin,  its doable, but not very possible. There are invisible barriers that firstly block that from happening and then you have humans blocking the same to happen. If bitcoin reaches a million , things can go really awry.
198  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin lose market share? on: August 06, 2018, 10:04:51 PM
Undoubtedly, everyone knows the name of Nokia, and, with its words, quality and performance are brought into the minds of individuals. Nokia was one of the first mobile phone companies in the world. In 1998, Nokia was able to rely on the royal palace of the mobile phone companies, and the largest share of mobile phone sales. But with the advent of Apple's phones and Android phones, the share of Nokia has fallen sharply so that they were eventually bought by Microsoft in 2013.
In my opinion, Bitcoin has a way that Nokia. Bitcoin technology is old compared to other Altcoin. Bitcoin was the first, but perhaps not the best.
Nokia fell because of lack of inventiveness. They kept producing the same phones. It was their fault. But for bitcoin, its not the case, new updates do come up regularly like segwit, LN and Core gets updated frequently too. You are wrong where you say that bitcoin technology is old. Bitcoin and altcoins use the blockchain technology, the ideas behind it are different. And altcoins serve a different purpose. Bitcoin was the first, and it is right now the best and no altcoin would exist now without bitcoin.
199  Economy / Economics / Re: USA/China Trade War and Crypto on: August 06, 2018, 08:20:21 PM
If by cryptocurrencies you mean altcoins then yes, they are not safe havens and are high risk, but with Bitcoin eventually it will not be that much of an high risk, and more of a safe haven. These things take time, to flip the switch on people's mind and realize this is a fact because Bitcoin is the only neutral asset to nation state's conflicts.
Yeah but these normal measly people(non bitcoiners Tongue) don't know that. US people are afraid of bitcoin, and why you ask? Its because they think bitcoin will take over the dollar.  Roll Eyes

I do not expect it to be a trade war between the United States and China, but a power struggle to prove who stands up for the last moment.

If we assume that it is a trade war, the direct impact will be on the stock markets: starting with technology companies, the automobile sector and other related economies between the two countries.

The impact on digital currencies will be indirect because people are afraid of economic shocks, so they will resort to other means to save the capital from gold, silver, and cryptos.

cryptocurrencies are not a safe haven but high-risk investments, so I do not expect many investors to resort to it.
I don't know about a war between US and China, but China is in a really bad spot now. China's main industry, the production industry is at a very bad shape. Factories are moving out of China, neighboring countries of China are taking advantage of the current situation.   

If trade war happens, its gonna lead to a world war. Kim Jong Un won't keep his shit to himself. Prepare for the worst. Shit is going down for real.
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