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241  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are you a gun guy or girl? on: January 21, 2014, 06:29:59 PM
The first thing repressive governments do is ban civilians from owning firearms.  Here are just a few characters you may recognize:

Pol Pot
Adolph Hitler
Stalin

Hundreds of MILLIONS murdered by their own governments because they could not defend themselves.

Make no mistake, the right to bear arms is the cornerstone of the free world.

Not being American or having to live in America I can safely say that I am thankful I can send my child to school without worrying that they're going to get shot by some lunatic who had a collection of lethal weapons, yet as the lunatic was only 20 years old he still can't legally buy alcohol. Where is the sense in this?

I won't even address the logical fallacies in your argument, that is your responsibility to fix.  Government can't stop lunatics from getting guns, lunatics don't care about laws.  If there is a demand for something, the state cannot stop it. The market is greater than the state.  The state made drugs illegal but can't even keep them out of prisons or schools.  

You don't have to own or buy guns or associate with people who do.  Just don't use the state monopoly of violence to FORCE/threaten/use violence against peaceful people(who aren't harming anyone or anyone's property) who chose to pursue their happiness in a way that you don't like.  By doing so your the immoral aggressor.  By using the political process, your stealing money at gunpoint from everyone to fund your aggression.  

If you are anti gun go talk to your neighbors, start gun safety awareness campaign.  Using the state to do your dirty work-well that's an immoral and spineless thing to do.  If you believe in a cause, advocate for it privately, don't use violence to fund it and enforce it.  People who aren't harming anyone or any property should be left alone.  For example, if you make a law saying that high capacity magazines are banned and I happen to own one and am caught by one of you'r thugs with it, they will fine or imprison me.  I was just minding my business, I didn't hurt anyone or any property.  If I resist or refuse to pay, they will cage and assault me, If I refuse to be assaulted they will kill me.  Where is the victim in all of this?  Some of you who advocate politics don't understand the violence inherent in it.


I don't really have an opinion in relation to guns to be honest, I just find the American mentality towards the whole matter rather amusing. I have spent many an hour watching some of these pro gun people rattle on about why they 'need' guns - often laughing hysterically at some of the arguments they bring up. My original post was not implying that I am deadly against the ownership of guns - I'm not, I don't care. I was simply stating that I'm glad that I don't have to live in a country where so many people share such absurd, outdated and backward views.

And your country is that way because people used state violence to FORCE people who weren't hurting anyone or any property to submit to their tyranny or face increasing punishments up to death.  That is not something I would be proud of.  You have no problem with the police being armed?  More people are killed by police than by random shooters.  Any kind of "social progess" that is gained at the barrel of a gun is not real social progress.

Just as I said originally reading:

'And your country is that way because people used state violence to FORCE people who weren't hurting anyone or any property to submit to their tyranny or face increasing punishments up to death.'

For me is amusing -what has this got to do with owning a gun?

And being from the UK - most police are not armed so that takes care of that problem.

Also, unless I am not fully aware, I don't remember having to submit to tyranny for fear of my life. Again, perhaps somehow I have been implanted with a mind controlling device against my knowledge and hence have submitted to tyranny - all be it against my knowledge - I guess I will never know.  Huh


It has got to do with owning a gun because at one time people in your country had much more gun freedom, now they have less-a result of the state and those who support it.

Excellent, i'm glad that your police are not armed as much.

You submit to tyranny for fear of your life everyday.  If you disobey one of your governments "laws" they will fine or imprison you.  If you refuse to submit they will kill or beat you up.  This is how it is everywhere.  Men make up stuff, write it on paper and call it law, they imagine they have the power to create law.  You are forced to be a part of their system, when you can't opt out of it, its by definition tyranny.  If you don't view it as tyranny, then you must be giving up all those earnings voluntarily eh?

I think most 'laws' are in place for the greater good, not being allowed to rape I think is a good thing.

If you are referring to taxation regarding giving up earnings - I don't like paying tax as mush as the next person but at least I know that if I ever have financial issues I can still send my children to good free schools and have access to good free healthcare a free house to live in and free money for food so it's not all bad  Smiley
242  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are you a gun guy or girl? on: January 21, 2014, 05:52:41 PM

Who are you referring to when you say 'they'?
"They" in this context tends to mean either some form of government or their law enforcement arms.

OK thanks for clearing that up.

When you say that violent crime increases with areas of low gun ownership are you talking about on a country by country basis?

In the UK there is less violent crime than in the US yet less gun ownership?
243  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are you a gun guy or girl? on: January 21, 2014, 05:42:12 PM
What I am saying is that when the people are disarmed they are at the mercy of criminals and tyrants who historically have killed FAR more people than the gun owning law-abiding public.

It's not rocket science.  Read your history.

yes, read history. First they give themselves power, then they take your guns, then they squash human rights and freedom.

Guns are tools, just like hammers. Guns don't shoot themselves... just like hammers don't swing themselves. 

Violent crime increases in areas with low gun ownership. This makes sense because who has guns if laws forbid guns? Only Criminals and cops, and we all know cops don't actively prevent crime, they only respond!

Look at Detroit...second highest murder rate, considered most dangerous US city. Guess what, they have some of the most restrictive gun laws. So again, criminals don't care. :\

http://people.howstuffworks.com/strict-gun-laws-less-crime1.htm
http://www.policymic.com/articles/22835/gun-control-facts-detroit-crime-rate-is-the-result-of-gun-control
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140103/METRO01/301030038
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Michigan

Who are you referring to when you say 'they'?
244  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: is it too late to get involved on: January 21, 2014, 05:29:46 PM
I probably isn't worth trying to mine BTC now - actually buying Bitcoin is likely to offer a lot better return on investment  Smiley
245  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are you a gun guy or girl? on: January 21, 2014, 04:54:00 PM
The first thing repressive governments do is ban civilians from owning firearms.  Here are just a few characters you may recognize:

Pol Pot
Adolph Hitler
Stalin

Hundreds of MILLIONS murdered by their own governments because they could not defend themselves.

Make no mistake, the right to bear arms is the cornerstone of the free world.

Not being American or having to live in America I can safely say that I am thankful I can send my child to school without worrying that they're going to get shot by some lunatic who had a collection of lethal weapons, yet as the lunatic was only 20 years old he still can't legally buy alcohol. Where is the sense in this?

I won't even address the logical fallacies in your argument, that is your responsibility to fix.  Government can't stop lunatics from getting guns, lunatics don't care about laws.  If there is a demand for something, the state cannot stop it. The market is greater than the state.  The state made drugs illegal but can't even keep them out of prisons or schools.  

You don't have to own or buy guns or associate with people who do.  Just don't use the state monopoly of violence to FORCE/threaten/use violence against peaceful people(who aren't harming anyone or anyone's property) who chose to pursue their happiness in a way that you don't like.  By doing so your the immoral aggressor.  By using the political process, your stealing money at gunpoint from everyone to fund your aggression.  

If you are anti gun go talk to your neighbors, start gun safety awareness campaign.  Using the state to do your dirty work-well that's an immoral and spineless thing to do.  If you believe in a cause, advocate for it privately, don't use violence to fund it and enforce it.  People who aren't harming anyone or any property should be left alone.  For example, if you make a law saying that high capacity magazines are banned and I happen to own one and am caught by one of you'r thugs with it, they will fine or imprison me.  I was just minding my business, I didn't hurt anyone or any property.  If I resist or refuse to pay, they will cage and assault me, If I refuse to be assaulted they will kill me.  Where is the victim in all of this?  Some of you who advocate politics don't understand the violence inherent in it.


I don't really have an opinion in relation to guns to be honest, I just find the American mentality towards the whole matter rather amusing. I have spent many an hour watching some of these pro gun people rattle on about why they 'need' guns - often laughing hysterically at some of the arguments they bring up. My original post was not implying that I am deadly against the ownership of guns - I'm not, I don't care. I was simply stating that I'm glad that I don't have to live in a country where so many people share such absurd, outdated and backward views.

And your country is that way because people used state violence to FORCE people who weren't hurting anyone or any property to submit to their tyranny or face increasing punishments up to death.  That is not something I would be proud of.  You have no problem with the police being armed?  More people are killed by police than by random shooters.  Any kind of "social progess" that is gained at the barrel of a gun is not real social progress.

Just as I said originally reading:

'And your country is that way because people used state violence to FORCE people who weren't hurting anyone or any property to submit to their tyranny or face increasing punishments up to death.'

For me is amusing -what has this got to do with owning a gun?

And being from the UK - most police are not armed so that takes care of that problem.

Also, unless I am not fully aware, I don't remember having to submit to tyranny for fear of my life. Again, perhaps somehow I have been implanted with a mind controlling device against my knowledge and hence have submitted to tyranny - all be it against my knowledge - I guess I will never know.  Huh
246  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are you a gun guy or girl? on: January 21, 2014, 04:30:37 PM
The first thing repressive governments do is ban civilians from owning firearms.  Here are just a few characters you may recognize:

Pol Pot
Adolph Hitler
Stalin

Hundreds of MILLIONS murdered by their own governments because they could not defend themselves.

Make no mistake, the right to bear arms is the cornerstone of the free world.

Not being American or having to live in America I can safely say that I am thankful I can send my child to school without worrying that they're going to get shot by some lunatic who had a collection of lethal weapons, yet as the lunatic was only 20 years old he still can't legally buy alcohol. Where is the sense in this?

I won't even address the logical fallacies in your argument, that is your responsibility to fix.  Government can't stop lunatics from getting guns, lunatics don't care about laws.  If there is a demand for something, the state cannot stop it. The market is greater than the state.  The state made drugs illegal but can't even keep them out of prisons or schools. 

You don't have to own or buy guns or associate with people who do.  Just don't use the state monopoly of violence to FORCE/threaten/use violence against peaceful people(who aren't harming anyone or anyone's property) who chose to pursue their happiness in a way that you don't like.  By doing so your the immoral aggressor.  By using the political process, your stealing money at gunpoint from everyone to fund your aggression. 

If you are anti gun go talk to your neighbors, start gun safety awareness campaign.  Using the state to do your dirty work-well that's an immoral and spineless thing to do.  If you believe in a cause, advocate for it privately, don't use violence to fund it and enforce it.  People who aren't harming anyone or any property should be left alone.  For example, if you make a law saying that high capacity magazines are banned and I happen to own one and am caught by one of you'r thugs with it, they will fine or imprison me.  I was just minding my business, I didn't hurt anyone or any property.  If I resist or refuse to pay, they will cage and assault me, If I refuse to be assaulted they will kill me.  Where is the victim in all of this?  Some of you who advocate politics don't understand the violence inherent in it.


I don't really have an opinion in relation to guns to be honest, I just find the American mentality towards the whole matter rather amusing. I have spent many an hour watching some of these pro gun people rattle on about why they 'need' guns - often laughing hysterically at some of the arguments they bring up. My original post was not implying that I am deadly against the ownership of guns - I'm not, I don't care. I was simply stating that I'm glad that I don't have to live in a country where so many people share such absurd, outdated and backward views.
247  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What is most common way to ship internationally? on: January 21, 2014, 04:16:00 PM
When sending expensive items its a good idea to insure it for the full value. Some countries have strict import procedures but if you mark the items as being a gift you can often avoid these. For coins and small items you should be OK but for large mining equipment shipping internationally probably wouldn't be worth it.
248  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin, The most dangerous currency in the world? on: January 21, 2014, 04:11:36 PM
What a ridiculous article, the journalist should really get their facts right  Sad
249  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin deemed a commodity not a currency in Finland on: January 21, 2014, 04:09:08 PM
As long as it is being mentioned it doesn't really matter what they classify it as  Wink
250  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: PAYPAL on: January 21, 2014, 04:05:51 PM
A safe was to use PayPal would be on www.virwox.com although the fees are quite high.

 Smiley
251  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Are you a gun guy or girl? on: January 21, 2014, 04:00:35 PM
The first thing repressive governments do is ban civilians from owning firearms.  Here are just a few characters you may recognize:

Pol Pot
Adolph Hitler
Stalin

Hundreds of MILLIONS murdered by their own governments because they could not defend themselves.

Make no mistake, the right to bear arms is the cornerstone of the free world.

Not being American or having to live in America I can safely say that I am thankful I can send my child to school without worrying that they're going to get shot by some lunatic who had a collection of lethal weapons, yet as the lunatic was only 20 years old he still can't legally buy alcohol. Where is the sense in this?
252  Other / Meta / Re: End of newbie restrictions; ban changes on: January 21, 2014, 02:38:35 AM
All very well and good but don't demote people who stuck to the previous rules  Angry
253  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: $12,000+ to invest in bitcoin. Need some advice on: January 21, 2014, 02:33:07 AM
Bitcoin may increase in value if demand exceeds supply and more shops start taking BTC as a method of payment  Smiley
254  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Interview with a Bitcoin Trader Making $10,000 a month on: January 21, 2014, 02:30:13 AM
Sounds all well and good but he should show some proof on top of that  Smiley
255  Economy / Services / Re: MT. Gox Arbitrage Service on: January 19, 2014, 07:33:30 AM
I heard that a lot of people is getting delay in withdraw from Gox, so I have a Japanese account, I can transfer fiat out to people who need to withdraw.

How long does Gox take to pay out to Japanese bank accounts?

No idea, I guess I should test that out first.

Would be a good idea  Smiley
256  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you give your life for Bitcoin? on: January 18, 2014, 04:48:44 PM
Is this really a topic worthy of discussion?

Wouldn't it be better, if you plan to open a new thread, to post something useful?
257  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ฿ - POLL - Have you ever made a donation using Bitcoin? on: January 18, 2014, 01:33:12 PM
Seems as though everyone is asking for donations in the form of bitcoin, but how many people actually donate with Bitcoins???

Have you ever donatedwith bitcoin?  What cause did you donate to?

No and never will unless it was for a verifiable good cause  Smiley
258  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Will there ultimately be just one cryptocurrency? on: January 18, 2014, 12:47:53 PM
I think all that most coins wont stand the test of time, I expect to see 4 or 5 coins that get used as currency - bitcoin being the biggest.
259  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Selling Mining Hardware on Craigslist & What Responses to Expect on: January 18, 2014, 12:05:17 PM
This really is dreadful, BTC seems to attract scammers by the dozen, thanks for posting this - it should warn some who would otherwise fall for the scam.
260  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: NEED 4-5 BITCOINS. Bank Wire or SEPA Preferred. on: January 17, 2014, 05:48:54 PM
an indian member told him fake things and told him to drop negative feedback because i refused to show what that member requested. I never did any business with tomatocage and see the feedback i also dropped for him as well. he removed his own i removed ine but the statements are still there.

A quick Google search of Xchanga.com will reveal that you're a proliferate scammer on many sites beyond this one. So please take your business elsewhere. And when I say "business" I mean fuck you.

Well said  Smiley The scamming that goes on is starting to get tiresome, hopefully it should settle down soon!
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